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Concerns for my sister, 47, trying to get pregnant without his consent

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jimbo778 · 02/07/2018 12:18

Hi all,

I have joined Mumsnet for the express purpose of this one message and would like as much feedback as possible.

To set the scene, my sister is currently 47 and has two boys aged 17 and 15, the older of which is heading to university in a few short months. She is divorced and has been "seeing" a guy who is based abroad and she rarely sees for over a year. He has treated her with contempt mostly during this time and we, the family, have never once met him (mainly as he is never in the country). She makes excuses up for him periodically as to why he doesn't bother responding to her messages for days etc, and then occasionally states that she's done with him. So firstly, I don't like this guy...but that's really not my call.

My issue is that she has announced to me, her (younger) brother, our other younger sister, and our mum, that she wants another child at the age of 47. She says she understands the risks and still wants to try. The real issue for me, as a man, nay, as a human, is that she hasn't told the guy she's seeing that she is trying to get pregnant. I feel that he assumes she is on the pill and she hasn't told him any different deliberately. To me, this is lying by omission and a horrendous breach of trust. This guy may indeed be delighted, but I suspect, from the way he treats her, that he would run a mile and isn't ready (he's much younger), or doesn't even want a child.

I worry she is suffering from the thought of and "empty nest" and has fixated on wanting to be a mother again. She says she always wanted three or four kids and while I understand that, she has two healthy boys, who themselves could begin families shortly at their age.

I worry she hasn't fully considered the complications and risks. A quick search stated the risk to any child conceived at 45 of Down's is 1 in 30. At 48, which she would be by the time of birth would surely be a lot higher.

The risk to her health and complications would also be fairly high, even with advancements in medicine over recent years. While she might accept the risk to her, I wonder if she has fully considered the risk and ramifications to her sons and the rest of the family and friends if something happened.

Furthermore, additional risks to health concern me, namely that in order to try and get pregnant, obviously no protection is being used and therefore she runs the risks of various STIs and STDs from this chap, who seems less than bothered about her.

She's due to buy a last minute plane ticket to see him next week due to her cycle at a cost of over £1,000! To my knowledge she doesn't have this kind of money lying about and so I worry she's just whacking it on the credit card as her view seems to be that she wants this, it's her choice, and it's certainly cheaper than IVF.

I want to confront her more solidly with my concerns, but I don't want to destroy our relationship. As a younger brother, I don't feel she will listen to me, even though I am nearly 37. If anyone has any advice or facts/figures etc to help me highlight the risks, I would appreciate it. I was even worried her "plan" might be illegal, but I don't think it is from a quick Google search.

All thoughts welcome please.

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Padarn · 02/07/2018 12:24

Gosh what a mess.

Reality is that at 47 the chances of her getting pregnant by someone living so far away (so limited chances to do it at the right time) are pretty darn low. So the plan itself is probably going to fail anyway so you might want to just play the odds and wait it out before criticising it.

However it is a worry she’s spending money doing this and going to extremes like getting plane tickets at that cost. If you want to raise that just say you’re worried about her and is she ok. You can dress it up nicely and kindly.

physicskate · 02/07/2018 12:28

At 47 it is highly unlikely to happen (fortunately or unfortunately). Only 1-2% of her remaining eggs are likely to be 'normal'. Even with great eggs the chances are slim on a given cycle. I wouldn't worry about it and I wouldn't talk to her about it - it's her body and her life. She's a big girl and will learn from her mistakes.

It sounds a bit strange to me that you 'know' so much about her love life, fertility etc... sounds like huge over-sharing to me.

Babdoc · 02/07/2018 12:38

I doubt she would thank you for pointing out she’s being an idiot! You have to accept she’s an adult, and let her make her own mistakes.
Pregnancy is not impossible at 47, but very unlikely, especially in the circumstances of a partner living abroad, limited contact at potentially fertile times etc.
You could advise her to get checked for STDs after each unprotected encounter, but she may not listen.
Sometimes we have to take a step back when our loved ones are doing foolish things, bite our tongues, and be ready to help when it all goes tits up.

tenbob · 02/07/2018 12:42

The chances of her getting pregnant naturally at 47, while having infrequent sex, are so vanishingly small that I wouldn't worry too much about it actually happening

Obviously it doesn't paint her in a very good light, and perhaps suggests she could do with stepping back from this relationship but it is unlikely you'll have to worry about her having a baby

Singlenotsingle · 02/07/2018 13:09

What do they say on here? Not your circus, not your monkeys. Really, she's a grown up and will just have to go ahead as she sees fit. I wouldn't risk upsetting your relationship with her, and as others on here have said, it's highly unlikely she would get pregnant at her age anyway.

Poptart4 · 02/07/2018 13:21

While i agree your sister would be making a huge mistake, this is her life. Shes a grown woman and can make her own decisions. While it's nice you care, what difference is it going to make to your life if she goes ahead with this?

You can express your concerns to her but thats all you can do.

ScattyCharly · 02/07/2018 13:24

She’s 47, it’s going to be extremely unlikely so I’d forget about it and hope it doesn’t happen.

anametouse · 02/07/2018 13:43

I do feel he has responsibility to check she's on contraception? He's just assumed she's on the pill? Foolish man.

halcyondays · 02/07/2018 13:48

Up to him to worry about, he shouldn't just assume she's on the pill. Unlikely she will get pregnant at 47 and only seeing him occasionally.

jimbo778 · 02/07/2018 14:00

I'm not saying she is an idiot at all...I obviously have a view, but it is indeed her body and ultimately her decision. I just worry she hasn't considered the full ramifications and that in terms of a decision where you really should, having a baby is perhaps a the best example.
I'm also very concerned about the idea of trying to conceive without his knowledge; interestingly no-one has yet commented on this aspect. While I get that it takes two to tango...if she has lied directly or by omission, she may well conceive a child he didn't want and never gets to see. I guess it is difficult to discuss the male:female views on this as men cannot give birth; but if they could and a man attempted to raise your child abroad without you, is that not something you feel you should have had a say in at the outset?
Again, while I have a view, I am very grateful of all/any feedback and will ultimately support her if "things" do happen.

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soapboxqueen · 02/07/2018 14:08

I think the situation she is in seems less than ideal for raising a child, she may well struggle to conceive anyway. Those are her issues to deal with, not yours.

Outright lying to a partner in order to get pregnant is terrible. I doubt there would be many who would think it a good thing.

However, men are fully capable of ensuring they don't get others pregnant. It isn't just a woman's responsibility.

louella99 · 02/07/2018 15:19

Agree with PP above. He should use condoms if he wants to prevent pregnancy and STDs. Not sure there is much you can do other than be there for her whatever happens.

Aprilshouldhavebeenmyname · 02/07/2018 15:21

After a mc at 45 and seeing my Dr now at 47 she told me it's not going to happen. Smile and move on. Don't get dragged into her drama is my advice.

BlueBug45 · 02/07/2018 15:22

I have sisters who have had healthy babies over 45 and I strongly suggest you leave your sister to it as they have limited contact with the mostly male family members who criticised them. Yes, mention the risk of STIs, but if you want to continue to have a good relationship with your sister then leave her to it. While lying to her partner isn't good, your concerns about him being hard done by may be completely unfounded. Some cultures regard every child as a blessing and some men, even in the UK, don't give a stuff if they have children by multiple woman they aren't married to as it is for the woman to deal with herself.

Aprilshouldhavebeenmyname · 02/07/2018 15:30

BlueBug so I may not be out then??

hendricksy · 02/07/2018 15:45

She may as well get pregnant with a donor !!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 02/07/2018 15:54

I think the best thing you can do is to try to be there to pick up the pieces - if she gets pregnant, it sounds like she'll need a lot of support as she'll potentially be doing it alone, and if she doesn't, then I think she's going to really struggle with gradually realising that it's not happening.

I don't personally condone what she's doing, but I would absolutely keep my nose out. I might have expressed my concerns on originally hearing of the plan, but I wouldn't harp on about it. As pps have said, he ought to be using a condom if he doesn't want her to get pregnant.

Mousefunky · 02/07/2018 18:49

Agreed with PP suggesting donor, it makes far more sense than trapping some guy she barely knows.

Singlenotsingle · 02/07/2018 22:01

We're not trying to give the woman ideas, mouse!

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