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NewYorktoLondon · 11/08/2004 12:03

My husband and I have recently moved to London from New York. We're also are just over 8 weeks pregnant.

We are trying to sort out the whole NHS system or deciding to just go private. It is extremely expensive to go the private option, but if we think it is worth it then we think we can manage this.

So I have two questions for anyone who is out there ...

  1. Private. Where's the best place to go for a private birth. Is the Portland a safe option - and has anyone done the Midwife Led service through them? Are there consultants that you think are just great?

  2. NHS. Of St. Mary's, Chelsea and Westminister, and Queen Charlotte's which would you recommend?

thanks for any advice. we are desperately trying to sort through all of the options, and honestly just looking for the best one out there?

Thanks.

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NewYorktoLondon · 11/08/2004 12:03

My husband and I have recently moved to London from New York. We're also are just over 8 weeks pregnant.

We are trying to sort out the whole NHS system or deciding to just go private. It is extremely expensive to go the private option, but if we think it is worth it then we think we can manage this.

So I have two questions for anyone who is out there ...

  1. Private. Where's the best place to go for a private birth. Is the Portland a safe option - and has anyone done the Midwife Led service through them? Are there consultants that you think are just great?

  2. NHS. Of St. Mary's, Chelsea and Westminister, and Queen Charlotte's which would you recommend?

thanks for any advice. we are desperately trying to sort through all of the options, and honestly just looking for the best one out there?

Thanks.

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motherinferior · 11/08/2004 12:09

There's another similar thread about this already, which you might find useful. Personally, I'd go NHS.

And you'll need the money later, too...

beansprout · 11/08/2004 12:53

Welcome to London and many congratulations on your pregnancy!!

Private is seen as "better" in the way that expensive things often are but the vast majority of women use the NHS and while it is not great for some things, it does know what it is doing for preg. etc. You can pay an awful lot of money for tests etc that are free on the NHS. I think that a lot of things depend on things that you can't always pay for e.g. your own experience (hopefully of a happy, healthy pregnancy) or how well you get on with your midwife.

I have no recommendations as far the hospitals are concerned, from what I know (and I am in NW London so am familiar with all of them) they are all seen as being up there with the best.

That said, I did start at St Mary's and moved, but that was to a birth centre. The decision was mainly based on wanting mid-wife rather than medic lead care.

Good luck!!

Northerner · 11/08/2004 12:57

I think that when you pay to give birth in a private hospital you pay a lot for very little if you know what I mean. The room might be nicer, you might get waited on hand and foot BUT as mentioned on the other thread, I don't feel they can cope as well as the NHS in an emergancy situation.

Tommy · 11/08/2004 13:15

Round here, (Southampton) we had one private maternity centre whihc has recently closed down due to lack of interest. As far as I could see, the only advantage in going there was that your DH could stay with you in the private room and the food was better. I did antenatal yopga there and one of the other Mums was booked in for her birth there. She had a few complications and had to be taken to the NHS hospital by ambulance although her private midwife stayed with her. She still had to pay for her care at the private place. Not cheap and will you find many many things you can spend the money on later.
Generally in this country, you only see the consultant if there is a problem and usually midwives do everything - and very good they are at it too!
Good luck and enjoy!

expatkat · 11/08/2004 13:57

Hi NewYorktoLondon--You are me, five years ago! Wish I'd had mumsnet then, or had thought to do the research like you.

If you're interested in hearing it, I'd be delighted to tell you the story of what choices I made (and why) when I was in exactly your shoes, but I have a feeling it'd be more useful to you if I just gave you the lowdown on the basis of what I've learned after having 2 babies here, each at a different hospital.

First, find out how much your insurance will cover if you do go for a private birth. Our covered everything. If your insurance will cover all or most of the birth, then, yes, I think going privately is worth it. Here's why:

  1. The postnatal care (which is important too!) is meant to be poor at most NHS hospitals. The thinking is, "We helped you give birth safely, now you're on your own!" That may seem OK now, when your main concern is the birth, but it won't seem so OK when you've just given birth and you're tired, maybe a little scared and you feel you've been forgotten about.
  2. The wards & bathrooms can be dirtyblood, the worksat a lot of NHS hospitals. (Just read some of the stories in the mumsnet archives, or talk to people, or listen to the "shame" campaign the BBC does--or did.)
  3. If, as an American (?), you're used to the idea of a consultant-led birth, you might be more comfortable knowing that you're having monthly check-ups with an OB-GYN, who will field any questions you have when you have them, and that he/she will deliver your baby. It's the system that most mimics the mainstream system for childbirth in the U.S., if that makes a difference to you.
  4. But I want to point out that I don't think it's any more or less safe to have a private birth. I think the British healthcare system is fantastic when it comes to childbirth--in both the public and private sector. You'll find advocates of both. So that's my personal opinion on your question "Is it worth it?"

As for you other questions:

Private Hospitals. I believe the Portland IS a safe option even though there's been a lot of Portland-bashing due to some well-publicized deaths there. (Though I'm sure accidents happen at all hospitals--in fact I know they do.) Still, I'm not crazy about the Portland. I feel like the Portland's strength are the things I don't really care about, i.e. the 5-star hotel experience. I don't really need the "Champagne dinner with your partner," the private bathroom, etc etc. I'm more interested in medical care. I want to know, that in case of the worst, I don't need to be rushed to the nearest NHS hospital. I want to be IN an NHS hospital.

So that's why I chose St. Mary's private wing, the Lindo Wing, for my second, and that's what I'll choose for my third, if there is a third. You're in a very good NHS hopsital already, but you get the good postnatal care, the cleanliness, the decent food, etc. that you wouldn't get in the NHS portion of St. Mary's, which I hear is dreadful. (Just ask another mumsnetter, SofiaAmes.) If you want to go that option (which I highly recommend) the consultant I recommend is Mr. John Smith, who I think is sort of the senior guy there. But Karl Murphy and Mr. Teoh are also supposed to be fantastic. You need to book RIGHT AWAY. it may already be too late. Have your GP send a referral there NOW.

But if you want to pursue the Portland option, Mr. Gillard is probably the most famous consultant there. He's a good, well-trained, adept & gifted OB, but I found him to be arrogant, unpleasant,and lacking compassion. I have a friend who loves him, though, and she won't go to anyone else. He also delivered the Spice Girls's babies, if that impresses you. (It doesn't impress me, but it DOES impress my friend who likes him.)

sinclair · 11/08/2004 16:48

Vote of confidence for the NHS and 'new' Charlottes - same midwife throughout pg and labour, on the day own room with own shower, midwife-led care but top consultant popped in to check I was OK, Pret a Manger sarnies courtesy of husband, home in time for lunch. You can't beat it!

NewYorktoLondon · 11/08/2004 18:12

Thanks all for all of the feedback.

Really gives me alot to think about. Expatkat - thanks all of the advice ... and I'll definitely be making my decision this week.

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mears · 11/08/2004 18:16

Are there 2 of these threads - my post must be on another one..

Londonmummy05 · 15/08/2004 16:54

Hi NewYorktoLondon. I had the same sort of question you had last week but it was specifically between Private and Queen Charlottes it should be in the pregnancy topics from the lsat five days. I was born and bred in London but still had the same problem of what to choose. I know a bit about the US system from friends and looking at the websites and I see how it;s all about the consultant over there. In England a majority of births are mid-wife led and you only see the consultant a couple of times and then only if there's a problem.

If your insurance does pay for private I would definetely go for it. I'm still trying to decide but I'm most probably going to have mine at a hospital called St john and St elizabeth which is private but leans more towards a natural mid-wife led birth. The only thing people have against it is that it doesn't have a baby special care unit but they will transfer the baby and you ASAP if there is a prob, which is very rare as they only take you on if you're low risk in the first place.

I've been to look at the Lindo wing at St Marys Paddington and I thought it was great but you have to have a consultant led birth, which I didn't want. The portland was Ok but it felt a bit like a hotel ( sorry Expatkat, I'm sure I'm repeating everything you said!)

As far as the NHS goes they are great the only thing that may be lacking is comfort and level of intimacy between you and your midwife/consultant as you don't know who you'll be seeing. Having said that I went for a tour of Queen Charlottes yesterday and I their private wing is great, it's all brand new and modern much more modern than any of the other hospitals I've seen, the staff were great and so helpful. I also took a look at the NHS ward which was right next door and that was clean and modern too but you'd probably have to share a ward with 3 other ladies and if they all have visitors it may be a bit noisy. Their private care is also consultant led, the only bummmer is the location which is next door to a prison! But this obviously is not a priority for not choosing a hospital, it depends where you live. I live in Holland Park so it's literally 5 minutes away so would be convienient. Anyway I hope I haven't confused you more, let me know if you have any questions and good luck

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