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Sexist pregnancy comments

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Elmery · 23/12/2017 14:55

Hello,

I am 23 weeks pregnant and feeling really down about the way I am being treated at work recently. I work in a male dominated office and in general I get on with my colleagues very well. We have a good laugh and work well as a team most of the time.

Like most pregnant women, I'm struggling to get a good sleep most nights. I get bad heart burn and headaches, can't get comfy, etc. I don't complain about this at work but sometimes I am coming in after a night of no sleep looking absolutely awful. My male colleagues pick up on this and tell me how tired I look (out of genuine concern). I explain I had a bad sleep again.

Sometimes I am so tired I just can't face joining in on their conversations. This isn't out of rudeness, I just can't concentrate! I feel so tired I'm almost nodding off at my desk. On days like this I just focus on getting my work done, because I really don't feel up to talking as much as normal.

The guys have started to notice this and on days when I am quiet they refer to me as "the hormonal pregnant woman". They say things like "watch it, she's hormonal today". This is simply because I am quiet! Obviously I don't laugh at these "jokes" because I find them offensive, but then because I am clearly annoyed, they feel justified in their belief that I'm being "hormonal".

I might be being over sensitive, but in conjunction with something that happened last week (another male colleague joking that women should be in the kitchen, ironing and cleaning, as though I wasn't in the room) it's really getting me down.

My boss is male and he laughs along with the others, so I can hardly approach him and tell him how I'm feeling. These same men used to ask me if it was my time of the month if I was cross about something at work.

I'd also like to point out that one of the main culprits is massively mood-swingy. One min he is fine, the next min he is annoyed about something. No one gives him any shit for this.

I've challenged them about what they are doing and they have apologised for it, but another week passes and they do it again. They say they are only joking. I have a good laugh with them in general and I'm quite thick skinned when it comes to jokes, but they know that I hate outright sexist comments. They've justified it in the past by saying they do it cause they like me, we are friends so it's funny. They said if they didn't like me they wouldn't do it! The fact is, we aren't friends. Friends wouldn't do this to me. I think that's what has upset me the most, is the realisation that we aren't friends at all and I can't rely on these people the way I thought I could. I used to feel part of the team but now I feel very pushed out.

I just needed to rant about this somewhere because it's really getting me down. I've just started a 4 day break from work over Xmas and all I can think about is this crap as I wrap Xmas presents!!

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1stX · 23/12/2017 15:09

Speak to HR. tgey aren’t your friends and rely on the face that you’d be too embarrassed to say anything

1stX · 23/12/2017 15:09

Bloody predictive text.

Elmery · 23/12/2017 15:14

@1stX I am very close to calling HR about it but I'm shit scared of what this would happen if I did. I would be hated by most of the department if I did that. I suppose that's what they rely on though.

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1stX · 23/12/2017 15:20

Standing up to them is a brave thing to do but it’s also the right thing to do. You have tried to be tactful but they remained twats. They clearly don’t care how you’re feeling. You and other women in your office don’t deserve to be treated like this x

Elmery · 23/12/2017 15:26

@1stX You're right, thank you x

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1stX · 23/12/2017 15:33

Good luck. I’m sure you’ll find that you’re not the only woman they’re treating like this x

CL1982 · 23/12/2017 15:57

Hey OP. Wow.

Basically your delightful colleagues think they're gently 'joshing' you and are in fact harassing you. I was possibly more tolerant of this when I was 23 but the older I get the less of this shit I can bothered to take 😂 There is never an excuse. You do not need to take this.

Personally I would sit down with your boss and ask for a written 1:1. Write down what you want to say and have a draft email ready. Explain you're feeling victimised and picked on for being a) female and b) pregnant, that you don't feel it's appropriate and that you don't want to have to make a formal complaint. Then send him an email backing everything you said up in writing and ask for constant monitoring. If it doesn't get better you can take it to the next level but I suspect most of these lads don't think they're being offensive and think it's 'just fun'.

I really hope you resolve it. You should never be made to feel like this just because you're female. Good luck!!! I'm sure Mumsnet is going to be really helpful for this OP. These ladies are tigers 🐅

CL1982 · 23/12/2017 16:04

P.s my husband has just pointed out a lot of them will feel genuinely mortified if they are out under performance review for this kind of thing. And he was outraged on your behalf bless him (we're driving to family!) and thinks you should go straight to HR with some dates and occurrences.

Also I am an idiot for reading 23 weeks for 23 years old 😂😂😂😂 sorry. Also tired and full of cold.

Elmery · 23/12/2017 16:58

@CL1982 thank you for your reply, thanks for being so supportive.

I have considered going to my boss and raising it, however he is very unprofessional and laid back. I once went to him with an issue with one of the guys, let's call him Dave. I asked the boss to be aware that Dave was essentially getting me and another colleague to do all of his work for him. I just wanted my boss to be aware and keep an eye on it, because he had the power to stop it from happening behind the scenes. I specifically asked for him not to say anything and just monitor. The boss promised he would keep quiet. 20 mins later my boss was outside smoking with Dave and told him everything I had said. Dave came back inside from the smoking session absolutely fuming and gave me the silent treatment for the rest of the day. When I went to my boss and ask him what the hell he was thinking, he said "I didn't expect him to take it so badly. I thought I could nip it in the bud." My boss wants to be "mates" with them, he wants to be "one of the guys". Most of them smoke and go out together and it feels like that is another way they exclude me, because I know they probably talk about me when they're out there.

For this reason I don't think I can go to my boss at all, he has let me down so badly before. He isn't a bad guy just massively unprofessional and he shouldn't be a boss at all in my opinion. Really I need to bypass my boss, either go above him or go to HR. My boss's boss is also a man however, I don't know him very well. I would much prefer to do something less drastic like you suggested I just need to play it carefully. I'm scared of going to HR cause it feels so formal, but I agree with the previous poster that I also need to be braver and it's probably the right thing to do.

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Elmery · 23/12/2017 17:06

CL1982 also, I am 28 yrs old and one of the youngest people in the office. The men I am referring to are a lot older, mostly in their 40s and 50s. They are very old school. I have come from a previous workplace (same employer but different department) full of men and women of all ages and this stuff never happened there. The men there wouldn't dream of saying things like this, everyone respected each other. It was a much bigger department there though and I would say it was more corporate. This office I'm in now is very small and out of the way. That's why I'm anxious about what to do, I've never been in this position before.

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gryffen · 23/12/2017 17:27

Are you part of a union?

I think this may come under a form of sexual harassment if they refer it and you as the 'hormonal pregnant lady'.

Go to HR and explain the situation, explain also that your boss is very laid back and a previous chat with him regarding a colleague was talked about over a smoke break with the issue and you received negative feedback from him.

Harassment is unacceptable and you have a nice chance here to get it sorted- potentially under new training and monitoring, raising awareness under HR and intervention from union if needed.

Don't feel bad, be motivated and get help.

ferntwist · 23/12/2017 18:08

They’re pathetic. Twice your age and bullying you at a vulnerable time in your life. So sorry you’re going though this.

CL1982 · 23/12/2017 18:37

@Elmery I know the few times I have come up against this kind of thing (the borderline everyday harassment stuff) it is very very hard as people (mainly men but not always) will do their best to use lovely language like 'over reacting', 'just a bit of fun' and 'rampant/militant feminist'. Ahh. Patriarchy.

Fuck the patriarchy. This is upsetting you and that is not appropriate. Yes you're going to need to be brave and it's going to be hard. It's so much more inexcusable that you're in this situation in the first place and I know all of us wish we could come into your work place with placards and bitch slap these men into being less shitty and outdated. 👋But we're all here for you support wise.

I think from the sound of it getting a clear timeline of occurrences (so names, times, events and reactions in chronological order) together and then going straight to HR with a serious complaint is necessary here now-you have done what you can and your line manager has failed you (if you have anything written down obtain copies as well as dates for when you went to him). Don't be put off by anyone. Is your company owned by a larger company that you can escalate to if this HR man doesn't listen?

Huge hugs ❤️

hannknitted · 23/12/2017 21:43

I work in HR and would say please don't feel like you can't approach HR because it's 'formal' - they are there to help you and if you've got a good HR team they should do what they can to support you, in a way that is mindful of the potential implications for you. What you are describing would be considered harassment under the Equality Act 2010 - even if the men aren't aware they are upsetting you.

Definitely go with any specific details of dates and occurrences if you can.

Good luck.

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