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Drinking alcohol when bfeeding. Whats the deal? Are you actually allowed to celebrate after all your hard work?

65 replies

Jellybabie3 · 25/09/2017 15:57

Just curious as yet again theres mixed info. DH wants to toast when baby gets here (40+2) but its fair to say if i can only sip i will end up more annoyed lol.

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RatOnnaStick · 25/09/2017 16:00

You can have a drink Grin. You actually need to consume a fairly large amount of alchohol to have much of an effect on your milk. However, if you've been abstaining for some while you might find one glass (or half) sends you sideways anyway...

BendingSpoons · 25/09/2017 16:00

When doing NCT we were told that if very little gets into the milk so as long as you are sober enough to look after the baby you should be fine.

Jellybabie3 · 25/09/2017 16:01

Ooo really?? So a couple of glasses of prosseco is ok?

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midnightflowers · 25/09/2017 16:01

You can buy sticks to dip in expressed milk to check it's safe.

PotteringAlong · 25/09/2017 16:02

You can drink! Alcohol passes into breastmilk at the same rate as it does your blood - if you had enough alcohol in your system to get drunk from drinking your blood you'd be dead!

If you're sober enough to look after the baby you're sober enough to feed. Just remember no co-sleeping after drinking alcohol.

mamamalt · 25/09/2017 16:14

Yes! Enjoy a few glasses. I am still feeding at one year and can have nights out etc. Just stop a while before I leave or get home to give myself time to sober up!
Also as someone else said you can drink way less after 9 months of nothing so it's a win win! A few bubbles a nice happy glow and no worries about baba!
Enjoy mama and congrats! Good luck with the b feeding!

Crumbelina · 25/09/2017 16:21

Well I gave birth six days ago and my main activity has been having people over and drinking Prosecco to celebrate. Smile

Echoing all the advice above - if your breast milk contained 0.5% alcohol (the same as a "non-alcoholic" lager) then you'd be dead as the level of alcohol in your blood would also be 0.5%

I'm sure there was another anecdotal example where someone measured the alcohol in their breast milk after having a few drinks and the lab results revealed that the actual percentage of alcohol in their milk was the equivalent of a double vodka with 80 litres of mixer.

clarebear1983 · 25/09/2017 16:44

I think you need to do some more research into drinking alcohol whilst breast feeding.

I realise this is contentious and it is my own researched based opinion but Why on earth would you want to feed your baby (with its immature liver) any alcohol whatsoever?!

I breastfed my 1st for a year and was criticised endlessly by friends for being 'pendantic' about counting units/hours etc if I had a glass of wine before BFing again. But I'd do exactly the same with the next as I couldn't bare the thought that I'd harm him with the milk that was solely there for his purpose.

There's a fair amount of reports that suggest absolutely no alcohol whilst breastfeeding a baby under 3 months is safest.

Wishfulmakeupping · 25/09/2017 19:22

From what I've read you need to drink quite a lot for it to pass through but research is limited and i have read that newborns livers can be affected. I felt comfortable drinking after my ds turned 1 but I know lots of others who drank when their dcs were much younger- I didn't trust myself not to fall asleep though!

BertieBotts · 25/09/2017 19:29

'Any alcohol at all' is a bit misleading as alcohol is present in things like fruit juice, bananas and biological yoghurt in trace amounts. Our bodies and yes even babies' livers etc can process alcohol quite safely as long as it is in low enough quantities. When we get drunk it's because we're drinking more alcohol than the body can process.

It's fine of course to make a choice for yourself not to drink alcohol while breastfeeding but it's not something to make a point of judging other mothers for doing. You would have to be very drunk indeed for your milk to be dangerous even to a newborn, at which point the danger of accidentally dropping or lying on the baby is far greater than the risk of ingesting alcohol as a one off.

CottonSock · 25/09/2017 19:32

I'm with the drink and enjoy yourself crew. I've been bf for 2.5 years with a break. Sod giving up wine for that long! Benefits of bf outweigh in my opinion

TheChineseChicken · 25/09/2017 19:34

Totally fine

Oysterbabe · 25/09/2017 19:39

This is the main point from the article I think:

*The legal driving limit in the UK is 0.08 per cent. If your alcohol level is higher than 0.15 per centyou are unmistakably drunk. If it goes above 0.55 per centyou simply drop dead. Therefore, it’s absolutely impossible for breastmilk to contain more than 0.55 per cent alcohol.”

However, as Gonzalez points out:“Alcohol-free beer can legally contain nearly double this level - up to 1 per centalcohol. Consequently, even the breastmilk of a completely inebriated mother could be bottled and labelled ‘alcohol free’.”

Gonzalez is keen to stress that heavy drinking and breastfeeding is not a healthy combination, but adds that excessive consumption is likely to have the most negative effect on the mother, not the baby.*

Basically don't get smashed every day but a couple of glasses of wine is absolutely fine.

LumpySpaceCow · 25/09/2017 19:43

A long one but this is from Dr Jack Newman:
Reposting on alcohol and breastfeeding. Happy holidays all.

Since the holidays are imminent, even started, many of you may want to have a couple of alcoholic drinks. You do not have to "pump and dump" (a terrible expression) afterwards and you don't have to wait a certain time after your more recent drink in order to restart breastfeeding. The amount of alcohol that gets into the milk is tiny and will not hurt the baby.

Think of it this way, in most jurisdictions, you are too impaired to drive if you have 0.05% alcohol in your blood. Alcohol appears in the milk in the same concentration as in the blood. Thus if you have 0.05% alcohol in your blood you will have 0.05% alcohol in your milk and as it decreases in your blood, it will decrease in your milk. Even de-alcoholized beer sold in my local store has 0.6% alcohol, more than 10x more than the breastmilk will contain if it contains 0.05% alcohol.

I am not saying it's fine to get falling down drunk because if you are breastfeeding, you must not drop the baby, but the problem is your coordination not the amount of alcohol in the milk.

Also from last year:

The following is from a blog by a mother who tested her milk for alcohol. Not one of those useless kits that you can buy at various stores, but tested at a toxicology laboratory. I will copy from her blog the method she used and the results. I think this puts the lie to the notion that women should not drink while breastfeeding or need to "pump and dump" (an appalling term) after having even one drink. The following is an exact quote from her blog:

Method:
First I took a sample of my milk (about 1 mL) prior to drinking any alcoholic beverage. I expressed the milk mid-nursing session to ensure I had a goodly portion of fore & hind milk. After completing the nursing session, I mixed myself an alcoholic beverage consisting of 2 oz of 80 proof (40%) vodka in 10 oz of soda (Sprite). I proceeded to drink the entire 12 oz in about 30 minutes. About 30 minutes after finishing (1 hour after beginning to drink), I expressed some milk (about 1 mL) and labeled it 'immediate'. I then waited 1 hour and expressed more milk (about 1 mL) and labeled it '2 hours'. In the 2 hours (from the beginning), I did not drink any more alcoholic beverages, drink other beverages, or eat any other foods. Another day, 1/2 of a beer (4.3% alcohol) and 2-6 oz glasses of wine were consumed within 1.5 hours. About an hour from the beginning of the last drink, a milk sample (about 1 mL) was taken. This sample was labeled '1 hour - 3 drinks'. Another sample was taken about an hour after that (2 hours after the beginning of the last drink). This sample was labeled '2 hours - 3 drinks'.

The samples were stored in the refrigerator until processing. An Agilent headspace instrument was used to run the tests. Propanol and ethanol standards were also tested to ensure the instrument was within limits. The instrument is maintained by the KSP Lab Toxicology Section and used in forensic determinations of blood and urine alcohol content.

Results:
The sample labeled as 'immediate' registered as 0.1370 mg/mL which correlates to 0.01370% alcohol in the sample. The sample labeled '2 hours' registered as 0.0000 mg/ml which correlates to 0.0000%. The sample labeled '1 hour - 3 drinks' registered as 0.3749 mg/mL which correlates to 0.03749% alcohol in the sample. The sample labeled '2 hours - 3 drinks' registered as 0.0629 mg/mL which correlates to 0.00629% alcohol in the sample.

Conclusion:
The alcohol content in breast milk immediately after drinking is equivalent to a 0.0274 proof beverage. That's like mixing 1 oz of 80 proof vodka (one shot) with 2919 oz of mixer . By the way, 2919 oz is over 70 liters. Two hours after drinking one (strong) drink the alcohol has disappeared from the sample. Completely harmless to the nursing infant. Drinking about 3 drinks in 1.5 hours resulted in higher numbers, but still negligible amounts of alcohol would be transferred to the child. One hour after imbibing in 3 drinks, the milk was the equivalent of 0.07498 proof beverage. That would be like adding 1 oz of 80 proof vodka (one shot) to 1066 oz of mixer (1066 oz is over 26 liters). Two hours after imbibing in 3 drinks, the milk was 0.01258 proof. That would be like adding 1 oz of 80 proof vodka to 3179 oz of mixer (over almost 80 liters). So, even though an infant has much less body weight, any of these percentage of alcohol in breast milk is unlikely to adversely affect the baby.

LumpySpaceCow · 25/09/2017 19:46

From La Leche
www.laleche.org.uk/alcohol-and-breastfeeding/

RedBlackberries · 25/09/2017 19:48

The kellymom website reassured me when I breastfed and drank.

I co slept though which put a bit of a stopper in more than a couple of drinks early evening.

Jellybabie3 · 25/09/2017 19:54

Thanks ladies Smile

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silkybear · 25/09/2017 20:02

Clarebear where are the reports you are referring to? Any links? All the evidence I have heard is that to actually have milk that would affect baby in any way you would have to be absolutely passed out drunk eg not capable of looking after a baby. If there is evidence to the contrary as oppose to a gut feeling I would be keen to hear it, as i'm about to have baby number 2 and already got my wine planned GrinWine. I had a few drinks while bfing DD and never found any evidence to stop me doing so.

clarebear1983 · 25/09/2017 22:04

I did lots and lots of research when I was breastfeeding my son. I pumped exclusively so had bags of time to sit on google and there's plenty of reports out there supporting both arguements you can find In your own time. Don't get me wrong, I love a glass of wine or 7 but to me it just wasn't worth the risk. Our very own NHS recommends no alcohol is safest.

I'm not preaching to convert anyone to my way of thinking, but for goodness sake when did we start using the telegraph as a reliable medical source Hmm I just think women should do all the research they can, ask your midwife, your gp etc then make an informed decision on the risk.

I'm absolutely not judging anyone, it's a personal choice, but one I can't comprehend. Until someone can conclusively tell me alcohol will not affect my baby then I will ensure every trace of alcohol has left my milk supply before I feed my baby. No ones ever going to volunteer for that experiment so I'll continue to take the only proven safe route.

I did get tipsy a few times but just made sure I had enough frozen and ditched milk that I had to pump (to maintain supply) in the mean time.

It's such a small sacrifice for such a short length of time in the grand scheme of things.

BertieBotts · 25/09/2017 22:27

I don't think it is a short length of time. I breastfed for four years. No way would I have abstained from alcohol for all that time. Putting restrictions onto women which are unnecessary just puts them off breastfeeding or leads them to stop earlier than they might have otherwise. So, IMO, it's harmful.

What is worth reiterating is never ever to co-sleep after drinking alcohol, even a little bit. Not a couple of glasses - put the baby in a safe separate sleeping area. This is not worth the

BTW this is my view after lots of research from different sources, hardly "reading a telegraph article"!

BertieBotts · 25/09/2017 22:27

Oops Blush

Not worth the risk, I mean.

mummabubs · 25/09/2017 22:35

I went to the NHS breastfeeding class in my area last week as I'm now 38 weeks pregnant and have been looking forward to the odd glass of prosecco at Christmas (and I mean just one glass on maybe a couple of evenings). I asked a Q as my SiL bf both her children but on number 2 was happy to drink alcohol whilst she was feeding under the logic that it wouldn't be in her milk that quickly. Midwife leading the class said this isn't right as your next milk supply will contain alcohol, so you should express and bin the next lot. This does make sense to me on some level too, more so than my SiLs perspective to be honest. I just wish there was a decent evidence base for or against (understand why there isn't!) as I've read articles that say alcohol doesn't even get into breast milk in any significant amount vs other supposedly equally reputable articles that say touch a drop and you're harming your baby. Difficult to make an informed decision as a first time mum :/

Mistressiggi · 25/09/2017 22:48

Muma do you express and bin your blood when you’ve been drinking? No it just stops being in your blood - and the same for milk it isn’t “tainted” by the alcohol. I was far too sleep deprived to have much desire to drink (never mind have a hangover) but I’ve bf for almost 6 years with two dcs and would have stopped long before if the odd night out wasn’t on the cards.

megletthesecond · 25/09/2017 22:53

I had small amounts of wine when bf. I figured that if it was ok to be drugged up on painkillers post cs I may as well try and relax with a small drink.