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The role of men following bith

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FatherOfOne1 · 13/09/2017 12:00

Hello,

I'm posting for the first time but would like to hear if anyone has had similar experiences to my own or can give any advice.

A few weeks ago my wife gave birth after an extremely traumatic delivery (which I won't go into) but we had some really negative experiences after the birth. Our son had to be taken to the intensive care unit and I was asked to go to make decisions about feeding, antibiotics, Vitamin K and some other things. I was torn between leaving my wife, who was in shock and and going with my child but eventually I left my wife with around 5 midwives, doctors etc and went to the intensive care unit. After a bit the nurse said that our son had to be fed so I'd have to go and ask my wife if she could come and breastfeed. This had been our plan but the birth was so traumatic so I didn't know whether she could. After spending 20 minutes fruitlessly pressing the buzzer to regain access to the labour ward I found my wife alone, still covered in blood and with the ward still covered in blood as nothing had been cleared up. When I spoke to her she'd been sick and passed out she didn't know what had happened. She couldn't remember if she'd given birth and couldn't really engage in a conversation with me. I took about 15 minutes pressing the buzzer to get back into the intensive care ward before saying that they should give him some formula.

Because our son had to stay in the intensive care ward my wife was given a private room for the night and although I'd originally planned to go home to rest we decided that I should stay in the hospital as my wife (who suffers from anxiety anyway) began recalling the birth in flashbacks and I couldn't have left her alone. We are a very strong team together and although my wife was the one who suffered through the pregnancy and birth we have always thought that we would do everything after the birth together. But in the following days we were increasingly annoyed at how I was treated as a father and how my ability to contribute was dismissed. Below are a few examples but there are loads more;

  • The chair next to my wife's bed was extremely uncomfortable so I decided to lie on the floor (fully clothed and in a private room) on the other side of my wife's bed. When the first midwife came in she simply stated that 'guests aren't allowed on the floor' and walked out again. I stayed for a few nights but then my mother in law took over for the last night. She brought a sleeping bag and roll mat and slept on the floor with no problems.
  • In the morning we were able to collect out son from intensive care. My wife was still in a terrible state, in pain all over and still in a high state of shock and anxiety. She wanted to breastfeed but wasn't physically or mentally able to and had to go asleep. She chose to sit on the chair as she has an autoimmune condition that affects her back and this is often how she sleeps. As our son hadn't had much human contact I decided to do skin to skin with him as our NCT class had encouraged fathers to perform this task if the mother could not. I lied on the bed and put him under my top on my skin. It was an incredible experience and I really felt that I was contributing to his wellbeing and forming a bond. Then a midwife came in, saw that I had him and just said 'visitors aren't allowed on the bed'. When I explained what I was doing she said that my wife would have to do it instead. I was devastated.
  • The next morning, after a terrible night for my wife she managed to get to sleep and I was delighted. A lady came into the room and said that our son had to be taken for a hearing test. I moved to the cot to take him but she said that I couldn't take him as the mother had to. I asked why and was told that this was just how it is. I said that I wouldn't wake her as she'd barely slept for 4 days (the labour was 3 days)so she said she'd come back later. When she did my wife was awake but they couldn't find a wheelchair (she was too weak to walk) so they had to do the hearing test in the room. I happened to be holding our son when she came in so she had to direct all the instructions of how to hold and move him to me but she pointedly directed all her finding to my wife. This was a frequent occurrence and despite me being far more lucid and on top of the details (as my wife could barely function) every single conversation with doctors and midwives about our son was directed to her and I felt like I was eavesdropping so I could hear everything to tell her later. If I answered questions because she couldn't remember the answers, they invariably asked her to confirm that I was correct.
  • It's now a few weeks after the birth and we took our son to be registered. On the phone the registrar explained to us that I could take him alone but she would prefer the mother rather than the father to go. When we arrived she explained that either of us could sign the birth certificate but she'd prefer it to be my wife. Apparently this is 'official policy'.

I hope this message doesn't come across as a complaint about male rights as I don't mean it like this. I've also read some comments here about men on maternity wards and appreciate that women may feel uncomfortable with men around when they are feeling vulnerable. However we were in a private room so this was not an issue.

My issue is that father's can contribute more in the immediate aftermath or birth especially if the mother has suffered and their appears to be an institutional bias against father's that is detrimental to both the child and the mother. When my wife was in such a terrible state as she was I felt that I could have taken on more of the childcare I was prevented from doing so by the hospital. I was very much made to feel like I was just in the way and shouldn't be there. This sort of attitude so early on must have a damaging affect on a father's understanding of his role in childcare and it seems no wonder to me that some men are not as engaged with their children as much as they could be.

Sorry for the really long post, I'd appreciate other people's views and opinions.

PS: Mother and son are doing really well now.

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Prusik · 13/09/2017 12:11

I'm sorry, I really couldn't read your whole.post, it's really just so sad. I'm.actually.crying having read and replied

Do was taken to special care at three days old. I called dh in early hours of the morning to tell him. He saw Ds straight away and then came up to me on post natal ward. I was so upset that dh laid on the bed with me and I just curled up in his arms and.sobbed.

No one said a word.

You and your wife deserved better.

Athena404 · 13/09/2017 12:16

They have no proof you are the father until after the birth is registered. Legally the child only belongs to the person who gave birth to them until there is documentation stating otherwise. The bed and the floor this is because of cleanliness and contamination. It has nothing to do with you being the father

alltheworld · 13/09/2017 12:17

Complain to the hospital. Ante and postnatal care in this country is shocking.

Starwhisperer · 13/09/2017 12:28

I recently had twins who fortunately didn't need NICU time but had various health problems after they were born.

One of these was low blood sugars so I had to feed the babies every 2 hours. This was just about manageable during the day with help but overnight the whole feeding regime was taking 2 hours in total so it was basically non stop. The midwives rarely had time to help me so I begged them to let my husband stay. They said he wasn't allowed. I was a wreck by the time they discharged us.
I dont know why men aren't more welcome in post natal care. From what I can see they'd be far more of a help than a hindrance. Most of the stuff I called a midwife for could have been easily sorted by my husband.
Im sorry you had such an awful time.

CadnoDrwg · 13/09/2017 12:52

They have no proof you are the father until after the birth is registered

As a married couple there is the legal assumption that the husband is the father. This is why a married woman can register her child alone and name the dad but an unmarried woman has to take the father with her for him to be included.

FatherOfOne1 my heart goes out to you both. Your wife sounds like she had a miserable time, I don't doubt this will affect her in the short term and long term so please keep being the strong team that you are and encourage her to seek help if it starts affecting her.

Definitely speak to PALS and raise a complaint. I understand why everything is mother centric in hospital, they are the ones going through everything and the ones who generally spend most time with the baby. However from what you've said they weren't even bothered about your wife's basic needs immediately after the birth.

Also being mother centric doesn't mean ignoring the father. Some dads are useless, it's all new to them and they don't know elbows from backsides...but so are some mums! You were there, capable and trying to help. Even if they needed your wife to confirm details they could have approached it differently and acknowledged you and your importance in the baby's life.

They must have scenarios where the mother isn't able to participate in these early checks at the hospital so they were just being obtuse.

There was also no need for the registrar to be so off with you. Legally as a married couple only one of you needs to be present to register the birth with both your names.

This isn't about men's rights, but the basic experience of becoming a parent and officials not making it more difficult or stressful than it needs to be. More resources aren't required to be polite and considerate, just a better attitude.

FatherOfOne1 · 13/09/2017 13:14

Athena404

That's an interesting point on their being no evidence that the father is indeed the father until the birth is registered. Perhaps before the birth the mother could designate a post-birth partner (who may be the father or the grandmother etc) who can act on their behalf following the birth. I see that its not easy

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Lules · 13/09/2017 13:22

My husband registered the birth without me and no one commented on it. I certainly wasn't going to go on 2 buses with a baby just after having a c section if I didn't need to.

I also was out of it after giving birth so he looked after the baby immediately after. He stayed with me in a private room and took him round for his antibiotics when needed and no-one questioned it. He was far more capable than I was at that point!

FatherOfOne1 · 13/09/2017 15:19

Thanks for all the comments. It's been really cathartic writing it down and reading all of your replies.

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AuraofDora · 13/09/2017 15:45

It was traumatic and your family deserved much better treatment, I don't understand why the birth is just seen as a medical operation, end of.

My hospital birth experience was shocking for me and I never dared risk it again, it's a massive experience and having DH nearby my bed would have been so mentally and physically helpful.

I'm sorry you all had to go through this, it needn't have happened like this, that's the worse part

hexagon01 · 13/09/2017 15:51

Sorry to hear you had such a terrible experience. I had a fairly traumatic birth and c section/poorly baby and my boyfriend stayed over and we had a similar experience to Lules - he was able to participate a lot and definitely slept on my bed at times while I sat in the chair (even thoigh he had his own bed there!). Sounds like the midwives in your hospital were particularly unhelpful.

Dreams16 · 13/09/2017 15:53

I am so sorry to hear what traumatic experience that both your wife and yourself had regarding the birth of your DC.
That's beyond disgusting behaviour and should be reported regarding the hospital behaviour.

SoupyNorman · 13/09/2017 15:57

I dunno, I think you should have let your wife - who was recovering from a traumatic delivery - lie on the bed. There's no reason you couldn't have done skin-to-skin while sitting in the chair.

FatherOfOne1 · 13/09/2017 16:10

SoupyNorman. Sorry, If I wasn't clear on this. My wife chose to sit in the chair because of her back problem so I did skin to skin on the bed. I would never have dreamt of stopping my wife from using any of the facilities in the room

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RedBlackberries · 13/09/2017 16:24

You were all really let down by the 'care' you received. I hope your wife and baby are recovering from the physical trauma and I hope all three of you are recovering from the emotional trauma you've all suffered.

Please reports to the patient liaison committee and show them exactly what you put here. I've worked in postnatal care for a long time and it's truly shocking how some staff speak to new parents. This can only change with training and people standing up to say it's wrong.

As a bloke please don't feel you have to man up about it. Please talk with your wife, cry, talk, listen and heal together. Flowers

ANiceSliceOfCake · 13/09/2017 16:28

I'm so sorry to hear of your experiences. Sadly it's exactly how birth was for me too! I needed my husband and he was made to feel like an inconvenience! I was sat up feeding in the night so my husband took the bed for an hour to ge a bit of rest, you'd of thought he'd of assaulted me the way the midwife made him feel! I do appreciate that the mother comes first. But I do have a say! I needed him to rest so then I could rest!

Ask for a debrief, I did and it really helped me. You sound like a fantastic husband and father, don't let it get to you.

Athena404 · 13/09/2017 18:24

FatherOfOne1 that would mean setting up a whole new legal department in an already stretched NHS and I can just imagine the problematic situations that would arise. Even though the current system is frustrating it works well to safeguard the baby. And the baby is the most important person. Yes the husband is assumed to be the father if there is no father on the birth certificate but the mother could very well put down a different father and it again wouldn't matter until the birth is registered.

thingymaboob · 13/09/2017 19:15

@FatherOfOne1 I recommend you copy and paste what you have written and write a strongly worded complaint to the head of midwifery at the hospital you were at. I work in a large maternity hospital and I can absolutely assure you that you would not have been treated like that where I work. There is obviously something wrong with the culture and they need to be made aware of it.

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