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vaginal delivery after 2 cs

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jenjingles · 05/01/2007 14:37

hi wondered if anyone had experiened a normal delivery after either oneortwo c sections, iam pg with 3rd child and am feeling really dissapointed at having to have yet another, even though i've never heard of anyone delivering normally after 2 cs.

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SparklyGothKat · 05/01/2007 14:40

I had a C/S with my DS and managed 2 normal deliverlies with dd1 and dd2. It depends on the reasons for your C/s a lot of time. My DS was a full frank breech so I had to have a C/s.

jenjingles · 05/01/2007 14:44

my 1st cs was due to placenta praevia,but went into labour naturally, 2nd one because i was induced and failure to progress,consultant got the dates mixed up and i wasn't 42wks as first thought only just about due!!

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SparklyGothKat · 05/01/2007 14:47

You could ask your midwife about it. This might be of help for you

DaisyMOO · 05/01/2007 14:52

Hi jenjingles, I had a vaginal delivery after two cesareans a year ago. There's a yahoo group where you can get in touch with people who've had normal births after 1, 2, 3 or even 4 previous cesareans. vbac yahoo group

I was given lots of scare stories by the first doctor I saw and had to really persist in declining an elective repeat CS, but if you look at the research the risk of uterine rupture (which is the main concern with vbac) is not that different after 2 CS compared with after 1. The likelihood of success does depend to a certain extent on the reason for the previous cesareans, but even then, there are people who have been told they would be unable ever to give birth vaginally who have done so.

I hope this helps a bit, please let me know if you'd like to chat anymore about it.

jenjingles · 05/01/2007 14:53

thankyou for that i'll have a good read. xx

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feedmenow · 05/01/2007 16:48

Jen, when are you due? I am pg with No. 3 and have had 2 sections. Baby not due til August but I started researching VBA2+C about 14 months ago cos I knew I'd have a fight on my hands! I belong to the yahoo group already mentioned and they are all really inspiring and supportive on there. Also, have just started reading some Ina May Gaskins book - not primarily about VBAC but really helpful IMO.
Also, someone on the August antenatal thread knows someone in RL going for a VBA2C and I've asked her to keep me informed of events......
Good luck!

jenjingles · 05/01/2007 18:58

to daisy moo and feedmenow, oh my god thankyou so much thats excellent news, daisymoo how was your delivery and how did you manage to persuade the docs??

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lulumama · 05/01/2007 19:04

was about to post the link daisymoo posted...she intreoduced me to the group!

there are plenty of encouraging stories there

what were the first 2 sections for?might not be something that is a reason for a 3rd ...

jenjingles · 06/01/2007 12:27

hi lulumama sorry didn't reply last night ,visitors arrived!! anyway, the 1st cs was for placenta praevia,however i went ninto labour naturally and was given a chance,but unfortunately i bled after one particularly strong contracction and all hell broke loose, so i was just rwelieved to be safe.The 2nd one however was a completely uneccessary turn of events, My dates weren't accurate and i went over by two weeks, according to dr's dates, went to see him and he scared the life out of me and said if i didn't go in and be induced my placenta would pack up and thebaby would die11CHEERES MATE REALLY ENCOURAGING NEWS!! anyway i was induced and failed to progress only got to 4cm dilated, i may as well add here i had my daughter in cyprus athe RAF hospital, no disrespect to the militaryservices,the mw's were fantastic and v.supportive couldn't fault them, o there you go theres my story !!

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jellybeans · 06/01/2007 12:34

I also have had 2 c/s, one for baby being big and stuck with no decsent, next for ditress. Have also had 2 full term VBAC1's. (in bewtween the 2 c/s's) I had severe complications after the last c/s and would love to try for a normal birth but asked the OB if it was always a c/s after 2 and he nodded and wrote c/s on my notes. I will have one if it is best for me and baby but am not sure, the recovery is soooo much harder also.

jenjingles · 06/01/2007 12:39

Itotally agree I have been told that its a cs and thats it no argument!! unless of course I arrive at hosp in loabour!! just feel robbed of my own choice to be honest,of course I know I WILLend up doing whats safe for baby, but its so frustrating isn't it??!! how was your vbac was it good, or horrendous?

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lulumama · 06/01/2007 12:41

oh dear..the 'your baby will die' line......how on earth can you make an informed decision faced with that and why do docs think tehy know your menstrual cycle better than you..

so one c.s for placenta previa and one that could most likely have been avoided if you had been allowed to labour spontaneously or hadn't been so scared when you were induced.....feeling safe, secure and supported is so important when you are labouring

i would go for it...there doens;t seem to be a reason why not,,daisymoo and toady have really good info and stats re the risk of scar rupture.........

read anything you can by ina may gaskin..she makes you understand and believe in the birth process as a natural and physiological process

jenjingles · 06/01/2007 12:44

thanks lulumama, that really positive news and will read as much as i can, have you had all your children naturally?

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jenjingles · 06/01/2007 12:50

hi all sorry logging out now supermarket calling!!

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lulumama · 06/01/2007 12:56

one emergency c.s//failed induction., failure to progress

and one vaginal delivery...VBAC obviously !!

DaisyMOO · 06/01/2007 13:29

Hi Jenjingles

I'm afraid I'm going to have to keep this fairly brief at the moment because I've got masses of housework to do this afternoon, but if you would like to chat in more detail you can email me nappymad @ yahoo . com.

The way I approached it was to do loads of research into the risks and benefits of vba2c - this is a good place to start Although it's part of the homebirth website there's lots of information which should be helpful whether or not you're planning a homebirth. Once I'd done the research I decided that I did want to plan a vaginal birth and decline a cesarean section. The key thing for me was getting out of the mindset of trying to 'persuade' the doctors. Firstly, it is not my job to persuade them what I want to do. It is my body, my choice and their job to offer me information and let me reach my own decision. Nobody can force you to have a cesarean or do anything else for that matter. Secondly, I realised I was never going to get them to agree with my choice so I gave up trying. I know some people go in with lists of research and prepare lots of arguments, but in my experience it is a waste of time and just adds stress and hassle at a time when you need to feel calm and relaxed. I listened to what they had to say, asked for research references where necessary and then stated what I wanted to do with that information. Being used to getting approval from authority figures this was hard! To cut a long story short I felt that I was not going to get the support I needed in hospital and that I would inevitably end up with a third cesarean which was a risk I wasn't prepared to take. So I booked a homebirth. This isn't the right choice for everyone, but for me and my family it was. I was lucky to have fairly supportive midwives and an amazing doula and had an absolutely wonderful birth with only a pool for pain relief. Total contrast to my first labour where I had gas and air, pethidine, epidural etc etc.

I would second the recommendation for Ina May Gaskin books, and anything by Michel Odent, Sheila Kitzinger and Janet Balaskas that you can get your hands on - all very good for relaxing you and giving you confidence in your body. I would also suggest stuff by Henci Goer for getting to grips with some of the research into birth and interventions.

Hope this helps, from what you've said I think you stand a really good chance of a vaginal delivery this time round, but I think you do need to be well informed, determined and feel comfortable with making decisions for yourself.

jellybeans · 06/01/2007 13:55

HI Jen,

My VBAC's were fab. VBAC 1 was great other than for a minute or two the m/w panicked as the shoulders were stuck. But DD came out soon after, I had a bad tear but was still elated to have 'done it' and recovery was ten times easier.Next VBAC was twins. First twin came out fine but 2nd twin was in severe distress and high up, hence crash c/s. I lost over 3.5L blood and was very ill, having a rupture AFTER the section. It was a burst vessel... Hence why I am terrified of sections.

I have spent most this pregnancy scared of the birth, c/s's and hemorrhage. I assumed another c/s would be more dangerous as I have scarring etc. Does anyone know when they give you a date/book you in if they do give you an elective section? Only other thing leaning me to another c/s is the fact that hopefully if it is planned it may be safer and a consultant may be there rather than in the middle of the night etc. Also, my baby came back high risk on the triple screen (I haven't had an amnio) so maybe a c/s would be better than VBAC for the baby? I am so mixed up over it lol.

jabberwocky · 06/01/2007 14:33

jellybeans, if I understand correctly both of your sections were emergency? Your recovery from an elective, if you have one, should be much easier. I couldn't believe the difference between mine. first section was after 30 hours of labor and recovery was really awful. Second one was scheduled and I bounced back super fast.

yumyum · 13/01/2007 18:29

I had to have an emergency c section with DS and am now 19wks pregant with no 2. Consultant has said its up to me whether I have VBAC or c section but am terrified that there will be problems with either - rupturing if I try to do it naturally or long recovery again if not. Any advice?

sexkittyinwaiting · 13/01/2007 19:13

Jen , I had 2 sections, followed by three vbacs and hope to have a 4th in a couple of months time. it's perfectly poss, but I'm sure as others have said it depends why you had the sections.

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