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Anyone NOT having the whooping cough vaccine?

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Bluepetra · 29/07/2015 00:20

Im not on here to sway anyone either way, for or against but I'm not entirely convinced I need to have this vaccine. I'm not anti vaccine, but this one has too many negatives for myself. Has anyone else decided not to have it ?

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captainproton · 29/07/2015 17:48

I had a reaction to the WC jab as an infant, but still had the booster when pg. I was told it is completely different type of vaccine and the reactions in the past were pretty common and not now.

Anyway I was fine, and I got my kids vaccinated too, they are all fine.

yummymango · 29/07/2015 18:17

captainproton that's interesting. Do you know what kind of reaction you had as a child? This has given me hope!

Skiptonlass · 29/07/2015 18:23

cherrytreehorn please let me answer a few of your points - information is the key here!

he instructions state that the Boostrix vaccine is not suitable for pregnant women and hasn't been tested on pregnant women. There is no way of knowing what the long term effects could be.

this is standard on a package insert. If you look at any cat. B drug such as ranitidine, you'll see similar warnings (consult your doc before, etc.) it's legally obliged to have this as there has not been a SPECIFIC study and FDA or whatever acceptance. It doesn't mean it's harmful. Long term effects are being monitored. So far they seem to be a lowering in the rate of whooping cough.

It is also a 4 in one vaccine, not just WC. Usually a child would not get this until they are 3 years old. At nearly school age they are significantly more robust than a fetus is at 28-36 weeks.

This is a fallacy. There is no evidence that several vaccines at once 'overwhelm a baby's immune system.' I can understand why people think this, it seems like you're chucking all this nasty stuff at your poor little babe, but it's just not true. From the minute the cervix opens they are bombarded with immune challenges (and fight them off, unless they are immune compromised, just think how quickly kids with no immune systems die unless they are in a bubble!)

We are told not to take so much as a couple paracetamol and limit how much tuna we eat because of potential damage to the baby, yet a 4 in one vaccine is ok? This seems contradictory.

Perhaps it does. And I do understand - the urge to protect our little ones is strong, and this isn't an unreasonable thing to think if you're not au fait with how it works. But it's not if you understand the mechanisms. Paracetamol has a very low range of helpful--> lethal even in adults. Taking the normal packet dose of you're pregnant is ok. Taking double that can fuck up your liver pretty fast, preggo or not. Tuna contains Mercury, which is a neurotoxin - very well established mechanism for how this works.

On reading up on it I found several forums particularly in the US where women claimed to have reduced movements, preterm labour and stillbirth after the vaccine and of course there is no way to prove that, but equally it does raise alarm bells. If you reported this to a doctor they are hardly going to say 'oh maybe it was that vaccine you had?'. There cannot be any clinical trials on pregnant women, understandably so.

Ah, now this is exactly what I mean when I say the inter web is a double edged sword. Seriously, stay off forums like that. a woman who has had a stillbirth is understandably going to want to know why. They want a straightforward cause. X caused y, x is to blame, x is bad. Avoid x, campaign against x. Because that's simpler than 'x happened and there's no apparent reason and my heart is ripped out'

I cannot emphasise enough how damaging forums like that are. They exploit and feed off grief and ignorance.

If you report to a doctor that you had an adverse event after a vaccine, they do report it. There are ongoing surveillance programs for drugs and vaccines, and they work - look at Vioxx! There are huge, very involved surveillance programs and massive amounts of work done before a vaccine or drug gets approved on the NHS. I work in clinical trials now after many years in primary research and I could bang on all night about how bloody long the approval process is... :)

bluewisteria · 29/07/2015 18:29

I love your posts SkiptonLass, spot on. Any chance you can tell me how to get the new meningitis jab for my 5 and 3 year olds?! My gp doesn't do it and they are being very unhelpful on where I can get it. Flowers

captainproton · 29/07/2015 18:37

Well my mum isn't around to ask but from memory she told me I went blue and stopped breathing. She screamed and dad grabbed me, flipped me over and slapped me on the back. Must have done the trick as I started breathing again, at hospital they said I had a very high fever brought on by the jab. I've asked my dad about it when I took my eldest to get hers, he told me he couldn't really remember it was 30 years ago. Nice to know that saving his eldest child's life was so memorable...

Kangaroosjump · 29/07/2015 18:48

Bluewisteria I know Dr Halvorsen does it at his London clinic, it's about £190 a jab and they'd need 2 doses each three months apart.

Skiptonlass · 29/07/2015 18:55

Thanks blue wisteria!

X post with kangaroo, but a private GP is the way to go if yours doesn't deliver. Some chemists will do them too - the kind of place that does private travel jabs, for example.

mathanxiety · 29/07/2015 19:15

Well said SkiptonLass and many others.

Atenco, I used to be a nanny many years ago and had a booster before I started that job (Tdap). Many people who work in childcare (and in healthcare) get a booster, especially if caring for young infants. Flu vaccine too for me, but that was an annual thing.

Cherrytree, 2015 or 2016 will be peak years. The previous epidemic was in 2012. They cycle is 3-4 years.

"It is also a 4 in one vaccine, not just WC. Usually a child would not get this until they are 3 years old. At nearly school age they are significantly more robust than a fetus is at 28-36 weeks."
DTaP vaccination starts at two months in the US, with a series of three jabs at 2, 4 and 6 months. After that, there is a booster at 15 to 18 months and another booster between 4 and 6 years. This is a combination diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis vaccination and booster. Staying on schedule is extremely important.

The jab is administered as soon as an infant is capable of creating antibodies in other words.

TheDowagerCuntess · 29/07/2015 19:42

No worries at all Sidge - my error too, for pointing a timeframe that wasn't accurate for the majority! I am glad it is six weeks here, but that is still six weeks with no protection for newborns.

DH works in pharmaceuticals and if he ever has to put his 'out of office' on, it always includes a 'if you need to report an adverse event' spiel.

Pharma companies take this extremely seriously - they have vast amounts of data on this, and build up very clear and accurate pictures of safety levels in their products.

If something isn't safe, it's bad for people's safety, and it's bad for business. Why do people think unsafe products would be let loose on the market? What's in it for anyone?

TheDowagerCuntess · 29/07/2015 19:49

By the way, as mentioned earlier - babies get their first round of injections at six weeks here. They get:

Rotavirus

Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis/Polio/Hepatitis B/Haemophilus influenzae type b (1 injection)

Pneumococcal

So if you're worried about 3 in 1s or 4 in 1s, think of all our babies coming daily for their 6-week injections, and not even a hint of an adverse event hitting the news.

applecore0317 · 29/07/2015 19:55

cherrytreehorn
It is also a 4 in one vaccine, not just WC. Usually a child would not get this until they are 3 years old. At nearly school age they are significantly more robust than a fetus is at 28-36 weeks.

The jabs given to my DD today at 8 weeks old were for Diphtheria, Tetanus, polio which is what the four in one is, the injection given pre school is a booster and not their first time having it!

applecore0317 · 29/07/2015 19:59

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Anyone NOT having the whooping cough vaccine?
Optimism · 29/07/2015 20:58

so i figured noweveryone else is vaccined im covered by herd immunity!

I hate this attitude Sad

kissmaass · 29/07/2015 21:09

Can I ask a question? My kids were in contact today with two kids with the whooping cough (not by choice) - they have had all the vaccines and are 5 and 9. Do you think they'll be ok? I am guessing I'm at risk myself at the age of 44 as God knows when my last vaccine was. I'm quite worried about it as my eldest also has nocturnal epilepsy.

Kangaroosjump · 29/07/2015 21:32

I don't think every doctor thinks it's marvellous. I believe Dr Halvorsen tweeted about a link to a study linking it with an increase in womb infections last year. No idea how to post the link but just look him up on Twitter

Kangaroosjump · 29/07/2015 21:35

Kissmass your kids should be fine. They are likely still protected by their jab due to young age, even if not, whilst it would be very unpleasant and it would be advisable to avoid contact with newborns till your sure they're not incubating it, they would still be fine in the end. It's a horrible illness but the concern is in babies

Skiptonlass · 29/07/2015 21:37

They should be ok. There is always a tiny minority that don't produce a good enough immune response but it is rare. Very, very irresponsible of the parents to not quarantine their kids!

The incubation period is normally 7-21 days but it can be as long as 42 days.

The illness starts with a runny nose/mild cough, so if you or your kids develop that then absolutely straight to the GP! Some countries treat exposure with antibiotics prophylactically (I.e. Preventative)

Id give your GP a ring in the morning and just check how to proceed - they may want to give you and the kids preventative antibiotics or they may not. Your GP will know your eldest' sneers and be best placed to advise!

Skiptonlass · 29/07/2015 21:37

Needs, not sneers!

kissmaass · 29/07/2015 21:39

Thanks for the advice - very helpful indeed.

LostMySocks · 29/07/2015 22:42

Hi there. I've not read the full thread. 6 hours after DS was born my midwife called on sick with WC. There is a risk that newborns can come into contact with WC. There was a health scare about 30-something years ago and many people didn't vacinate their babies so there are large numbers of non-immune people out there. The vaccine has changed since then. Fortunately I'd had the vaccine and DS was fine but we were still recommended not to mix with other babies just in case. I had a beautiful newborn and was stuck in the house. His aunt couldn't visit as she hadn't been vaccinated as a child and was pregnant herself.

GraysAnalogy · 29/07/2015 23:21

so i figured noweveryone else is vaccined im covered by herd immunity!

Hmm

Imagine if everyone thought like this. Gods sake.

TheFullMinty · 30/07/2015 08:39

so i figured now everyone else is vaccined im covered by herd immunity!

This is why we need to have the jab! Attitudes like this put people at risk, both babies and grown people who are unable to be vaccinated.

Thinking that is it is an old fashioned disease or something that doesn't affect people like you is ridiculous. It disappeared because we started vaccinating people, people stopped being vaccinated and it comes back. Hardly rocket science.

Bottom line; whooping cough will hurt your baby, why would you want that?

milliemanzi · 30/07/2015 10:55

Such a terrible "I'm alright Jack" attitude, ughhggh.

Kangaroosjump · 30/07/2015 11:57

Nobody wants their baby harmed by whooping cough

But for those who choose not to take the jab it's because they either don't feel the jab is safe, or yet proven safe for long enough. More reassurance is needed.

I'm not pregnant yet but if I were Id feel stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one

GraysAnalogy · 30/07/2015 12:03

The study posted twice found no links between the jab and increased risks of stillbirth, maternal or neonatal death, pre-eclampsia or eclampsia, haemorrhage, fetal distress, uterine rupture, placenta or vasa praevia, caesarean delivery, low birth weight, or neonatal renal failure.

I don't know how much more people need

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