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Talk about every stage of pregnancy, from early symptoms to preparing for birth.

Alcohol during pregnancy

38 replies

Oobis · 29/06/2015 13:26

What do you all think about the new guidelines to completely abstain from all alcohol during pregnancy? Apparently, they have gone to zero as the previous guidelines were too complicated....and based on no new evidence. That said, looking at international guidelines, no alcohol whatsoever is the resounding theme...
iard.org/Policy/Policy-Resources/International-Guidelines-on-Drinking-and-Pregnancy
Just interested in your thoughts. I am in no way condoning binge drinking or seeking to justify my own opinions, just interested in yours.

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Number3cometome · 30/06/2015 12:51

This is going to go round and round in circles.

Just do what YOU want to do, and let others do what THEY want to do.

What does it matter??

Skiptonlass · 30/06/2015 12:53

Dimple - my phd was in developmental genetics and yes, it really is that coordinated a process! It's quite mind blowing to watch an embryo form from a single cell under the microscope - each stage, in some species hour by hour, is catalogued and known.

Obviously we can't go around splashing ethanol on human foetuses and seeing what happens, so we take the very broad view, which is that the critical process of 'turning a single cell into a complex structure with all the bits in the right place' happens in trimester one. And we say avoid alcohol then.

I've not drunk at all in pregnancy, but if I'm honest I would have had the odd glass at weddings/ weak beer with food if it didn't trigger my nausea.

We are targeting the wrong women- no one is going to be harmed by a whiff of prosecco over lunch, but there are still plenty of women drinking /smoking heavily / doing drugs- we need to target help and resources at them. That means more funding is needed, which is probably harder to do than putting the frighteners on ms. One tiny glass with lunch once a week.

lemon101 · 30/06/2015 13:20

Hello,

In her really very good book 'Expecting Better' the author Emily Oster actually cites a study by Robinson et al published in a very reputable journal that found in a cohort of 3000 women that light to moderate drinking (2-6 drinks per week actually resulted in fewer behavioural problems than those that abstained entirely. She also cites (different) evidence that found that there was no effect of light alcohol consumption on IQ (if anything offspring of light drinking women had a higher IQ).

Now - in no way am I saying we should all drink a bit because it alleviates behavioural problems and improves IQ - but taken together with absolute lack of data to suggest that genuinely light drinking has an adverse effect on unborn children, I think we can conclude that its not the end of the world to have a small drink once a week.

I have no issue with people who choose not to drink at all - many of my friends hold that view. They in turn have no issue with the fact that I have drunk a glass of wine or half a beer once a week, every week for the duration of my pregnancy. I love wine and beer and allowing myself to have just the odd treat (which I know will not hurt my baby) is fab.

There appears to be much less rhetoric on MN about conspicuous consumption of excess calories and sugar which has a much clearer demonstrable effects on the foetus. I just think its weird everyone gets so upset about a single drink!

Oobis · 30/06/2015 13:25

Good point Lemon. I came home from my booking in appointment with my MW and was astounded that she didn't ask me about my overall lifestyle, as opposed to "you don't drink, do you" whilst ticking the box. I am basing this on no fact whatsover, but I would be interested to know what savings could be made by encouraging healthier overall lifestyles before and during pregnancy, which would hopefully lead to less problems throughout pregnancy, birth and better living afterwards, meaning healthier offspring.

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WinterOfOurDiscountTents15 · 30/06/2015 13:34

Perhaps she just thought you were a reasonably intelligent adult woman who didn't need to be told to try and be healthy during pregnancy? I mean, its not as if its a hidden secret that needs to be revealed by professionals at your first appointment.

We really need to get away from the starting position that we are all idiots who know nothing. We all know smoking bad, alcohol (in anything but small amounts) bad, healthy eating and exercise good. Do we really need to discuss our lifestyles with the midwife?

newbian · 30/06/2015 14:02

I think that the guideline should be zero, but as it's a guideline and not a law, it's up to women to decide what's right for themselves. I have a relative who is a specialist pediatrician in development and deals with mental/psychological disorders in children. She is the most adamant person against pregnant women drinking that I know. Personally I take her 20+ years' experience as a doctor pretty seriously so I don't drink at all. There is a risk - we can debate how small but there is one - with drinking in pregnancy leading to FAS and related disorders. There is no risk of FAS etc. if you don't drink. Not a hard choice for me.

WorldsBiggestGrotbag · 30/06/2015 14:07

I know exactly what a unit is. I have educated myself on it. I don't drink more than a unit a week (generally not even that, more like a unit every 3 weeks). Just because other people don't know what a unit is, why should I be 'banned' from alcohol like some people are suggesting?

WorldsBiggestGrotbag · 30/06/2015 14:10

And lemon is right. On here it's often considered a pregnant woman's prerogative to stuff their faces with chocolate and pizza as they're pregnant. We know that excess sugar/an overweight mother can also cause problems.

ARV1981 · 30/06/2015 14:20

I've had one small glass of champagne since my bfp. I drank it over around 2hours with dinner. It was nice, but I didn't really need it, just had it for social reasons (was at my grandparents house and they're of the generation where you drank Guinness every day etc. Plus granny used to be a midwife so thinks she knows everything! - She doesn't seem to realise that medical knowledge has moved on since 1945...)

I probably would have had more if I didn't get nausea and now heartburn. That's the real reason I've abstained! Nothing really to do with the baby.... all to do with me. Who's selfish here???

I don't judge anyone who wants the odd drink during their pregnancy and I don't judge people who choose to abstain completely.

It's a free country, people should do what they want (within reason, not saying drink a bottle of vodka a day!)

Personally I don't really care who does what. It's your baby, your body. Drink (within reason) if you want, don't drink if you want.

ARV1981 · 30/06/2015 14:22

Oh yes. I've stuffed my face with sugar. And having to have the glucose tolerance test on Friday. Stuffing as much sugary food as I can between now and then. I am a bad mother.

But I don't drink!

See.... Who's selfish???

NickyEds · 30/06/2015 14:35

I did a bit of that ARV Blush .And I ate about a ton of crispy duck when it emerged I didn't have GD.........but I don't drink.

Number3cometome · 30/06/2015 14:41

I celebrated my GTT results with a krispy kreme or three

I haven't touched a drop since the day I got my BFP certainly had a skinful leading up to it though

MadauntofA · 30/06/2015 14:52

Orange juice, coke and chocolate is broken down to sugars etc - required by the baby to grow. Alcohol goes into your bloodstream, straight into baby's then straight to their brain. Their liver composition and amount of fat in their body is very different to an adults so alcohol stays in their system and brain for much longer than it does in an adults. So your 1 large glass of wine that will be gone out of your system in a couple of hours is still in theirs 6+ hours later - that is how that theory stacks up apple

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