double whammy of badness

[charlyp]

am 9+1 today and have been on and off food and was at the sadqich bar for lunch and just fancied a smoked salmon sandwich - at the last miute asked the guy to throw in some goats cheese .... if my forst time pregnant and keep forgetting what can and can't eat and have ow got back to desk, scoffed sandwich, and then realised goats cheese is not on the good things to eat list, in finding this out i also read that smoked salmon is also not of the good things to eat list because both can cause listeria - now i've not ever known anyone who has had listeria so am hoping will have got away with my double whammy of bad sandwich (although ti did taste sooooooo goood) but its made me think - ow important are all the food rules, has anyone ahd any bad experiences? should i be more careful ....

Don't fret too much. If it's a good quality sandwich shop you should be fine. I ate prawns, smoked salmon, all sorts of stuff I shouldn't have really. DS is a happy, heathy little romper

smoked salmon was the only thing i fancied for a while that didn't make me vom when pg!
i didn't realise it was on the 'bad' list, so therefore didn't develop listeria

Ikl and MacD, thank you, it was just what I wanted and I imagine better than eating nothing, maybe I should stop reading what I can or can't do adn then I won't develop anything 'orrible either.

Feel much better now

glad to help
Good Luck with rest of pg, and a safe delivery!!((hugs))

Sorry to post this and I don't want to upset you unnecessarily, but you should be very careful, IMO, not everyone will have the following experience thank whomever but I want people to take heed and be aware of the things not tested for in this country like Toxoplasmosis.
Next week is the funeral of my cousins ds aged 7wks and 1 day, his mother caught toxoplasmosis from unwashed or not properly cooked food whilst pregnant, the only logical conclusion that can be reached as to how she contracted it, is that she got it whilst eating out, as she was careful about the food rules whilst at home, and is allergic to cats, doesn't garden etc etc, as are we all whilst pregnant.....toxoplasmosis was not the total cause of death, but it had made him blind, total cause is still TBA as awaiting autospy results, but it was a combi of factors including a mismanaged birth, which ended up with him being treated with lots of different drugs that his body eventually couldn't cope with

i am expecting no.5 in march and gave up reading the 'foods to avoid' lists when i was about 6 weeks with no.3 because it was getting so ridiculous.
i have eaten prawn mayo sandwiches in this pg,and in my last 2 pgs i couldnt get enough of stilton and soft cheeses.i also had a thing for runny poached eggs for a while in the last one.
the only one ive ever known be taken very seriously is peanuts if theres a history of nut allergies in the family.

Frizombie - thats terrible - have renewed anxiety about sandwich, will certainly try to be more careful, I suppose its just its so early and have had no doctor interaction, no scan or anything sometimes at work am just getting on with things and while I don't forget about it I'm not all that aware of the fact that I'm pregnant because I don't feel all that different yet and haven't ahd bad side effects.

sorry frizzombie,x posts with you,i wouldnt have posted if i had read yours first.
i have been readng about such infections on the net just now and didnt even realise you could get toxoplasmosis from contaminated/undercooked food.

Toxoplasmosis:
Accidentally swallowing cat feces from a Toxoplasma-infected cat that is shedding the organism in its feces. This might happen if you were to accidentally touch your hands to your mouth after gardening, cleaning a cat's litter box, or touching anything that has come into contact with cat feces. Eating contaminated raw or partly cooked meat, especially pork, lamb, or venison; by touching your hands to your mouth after handling undercooked meat.
Contaminating food with knives, utensils, cutting boards and other foods that have had contact with raw meat.
Drinking water contaminated with Toxoplasma.
Receiving an infected organ transplant or blood transfusion, though this is rare.

But what can you do if you're eating out? I suppose that's why they tell you to ask for meat well done while you're PG

charleyp-i know goats cheese is only a problem if its unpasteurised.i dont know what risks are associated with smoked salmon.

Just wanted to say - droooooooool - am 39+6 and missing goats cheese; smoked salmon etc - guess what assortment of cheeses I'll be having after the birth?!?!!! I don't trust myself to get it in now in case I cave before it all kicks off. Have surprised myself by being very good (apart from a couple of mishaps early in pregnancy because I didn't realise) but not sure if I'd be so strict if I ever did it again.

Fizombie that is awful.

I live in France, there are very little eating rules here, pg women can eat everything on the don't eat UK list. In fact their main diet consists of cheeses, uncooked charcuterie and pates The biggest rule is to wash ALL fresh produce very throughly. And NEVER eat lettuce in a restaurant in France, usually picked straight from the owners garden and rarely washed.

However in France Toxoplasmosis and various other things are tested for by a simple blood test monthly in every pg women.

Hiya
I accidentally ate goat's cheese the other day - it was in a pasta dish that I thought would be more cooked than it was. But I do think the risk is pretty low.

And here's what the government's food standards agency has to say on smoked salmon:

"Some countries advise pregnant women not to eat cold meats or smoked fish because of the risk of listeria. In the UK, we don't advise women to avoid these products because the risk is very low. The risk of listeria is much higher with soft mould-ripened cheeses (such as Brie and Camembert) or pâté, which you shouldn't eat during pregnancy. However, if you are concerned, you might also choose to avoid cold meats and smoked fish while you are pregnant."

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