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very confused....9 week scan no heartbeat

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xchylersmom · 09/02/2015 20:11

I went for first prenatal last Monday and was 8 weeks 4 days according to my LMP. The did vaginal ultrasound and couldn't find a heart beat or blood flow in the baby. The doc said I was miscarrying and asked if I wanted a d&c. I said no not without knowing 100% if the baby is gone or not. She had me do blood work to check my levels and told me to come back in 2 days to do it again so they could compare the numbers. Well last Thursday I got a call saying my levels went up so they scheduled an appt for today. I went in today for another ultrasound (vaginal) and they still couldn't find heartbeat or blood flow but the baby is still measuring correctly for my dates. It doesn't make any sense how can they not find heartbeat but yet baby is measuring correctly? I asked for second opinion at an office that has a high resolution ultrasound machine and the doc looked at me like I was crazy and asked me if I was questioning the ultrasound. I said in a way yes because I still don't have any answers for what is going on and I think a scan with a more high tech machine may be able to give me more of a definitive answer. She said she would have her office call and try to schedule me an appt with the doc at high risk office but she said that he May not agree to see me to give me a second opinion. Isn't that against the medical rules? Aren't we entitled to a second opinion? Anyways she also scheduled me another appt with her for in two weeks. She didn't do blood work today which confused me cuz if she would have done blood work today we would know tomorrow if my levels are still going up or dropping, at least then I'd have more of an answer. She said we would do blood work 2 days before I come back and see her in 2 weeks. I am prepared for this pregnancy to go either way and I can accept it either way I just wanna know 100% if my baby is gone before agreeing to medical intervention to move it along. I am just really confused and hope someone will have some advice or similar situation no matter what the outcome. I don't know what else to do. I don't like the idea of sitting and waiting for this long of a time.

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Lweji · 09/02/2015 20:14

At 9 weeks the baby is still tiny and the cells may be able to develop, but it's possible the circulatory system didn't properly.

I'm not sure you are entitled to 2nd opinions on the NHS, you may need to go private for that.
Particularly as it doesn't seem like an intervention is urgently necessary.

PenelopePitstops · 09/02/2015 20:15

Not much advice but sorry you are going through this.

Hopefully you get some answers somewhere.

Number3cometome · 10/02/2015 09:45

So sorry that you are going through this.

I don't understand why the baby has grown and doesn't have a heart beat, but by this stage you really should be able to see one in order for the pregnancy to be successful.

I would say you have to trust in what your doctor is telling you, these guys are the experts and see these day in day out.

I am so sorry OP but I don't think you should give yourself false hope. The doctor should have been much more sympathetic Flowers

Littlehopeful · 10/02/2015 10:25

I'm so sorry you're going through this but no unfortunately you're not entitled to a second opinion.

Would you pay for a private scan?

Hope you're okay Flowers

Beesandbutterflies · 10/02/2015 10:42

I'm sorry you're going through this, I think you're right to seek a second opinion and if they say no I'd go for a private scan. If the baby's growing and your bloods are going up I think I'd try to stay positive. I wouldn't agree to that d&c either

I strongly disagree with the pp saying you should trust your dr if that's what they say. That is a load if crap! Drs are human too and humans make mistakes sometimes that's a fact. It's just when a dr makes a mistake the stakes are high

Beesandbutterflies · 10/02/2015 10:43

Trust your instincts op, good luck, think of you x

TwoAndTwoEqualsChaos · 10/02/2015 10:47

When I had a scan which showed no heartbeat at an early stage, I was able to have a second, confirmatory scan before I agreed to a D&C, as I wanted to be absolutely certain. I think I had to wait around for a while and I have no idea if it was standard. I was in an Early Pregnancy Assessment Unit, though.

juniorcakeoff · 10/02/2015 10:50

Was it the sac growing or the baby? Only because hormones can make sac continue to grow even where baby has died. Also there is a certain size (I think 7 or 8 mm) where a heartbeat should be seen, if no heartbeat at that size then this is a bad sign. Are you in the US?

rascalrae · 10/02/2015 10:57

I'm really sorry you've had this awful news. When this happened to me I also requested additional scans as I didn't want to have surgery if there was a chance baby was still ok. Mine was a partial molar pregnancy and likely my HCG levels would have continued going up but this would have been the tumour in the placenta, not baby. I'm not saying this will be the same for you, but there may be other reasons why your hormone levels continue rising. It's very hard to come to terms with such shocking news. Give yourself some time, you don't have to make any decisions straight away. Xxx

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xchylersmom · 10/02/2015 14:25

Thank you for all your kind words. I really do appreciate it. I have come to terms That this pregnancy may not be viable but I just want to confirm it before having medical intervention. And yes the baby has grown over the last week which is why I am confused because if the baby has died like the doc is claiming then how is the baby still growing? The ruled out complete and partial molar pregnancies too. So I am totally confused

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Littlehopeful · 10/02/2015 15:23

Babies can still grow with no heart beat unfortunately due it the first 7 weeks mostly being without heartbeat although sometimes it can be detected earlier, the first few weeks of pregnancy are just rapid cell division :( very sorry you have to go through this. I would pay for a private scan though and if it has grown again I would contact your midwife/consultant. X

Lweji · 10/02/2015 19:32

The baby has not died as such, but it won't be viable for much longer, nor independently, if it doesn't have a heartbeat.
As Littlehopeful said, the cells are alive and growing, but soon will need more nourishment and oxygen and will stop dividing and will die.

I think part of the concern by the doctors is that it's easier to remove (even psychologically for the mother) in the early stages than to allow the embryo to grow.

Iggi999 · 10/02/2015 19:38

I've had several mcs but I would not be happy with arranging an erpc until growth had stopped or you had some other more definite confirmation (eg if a hb isn't detected after another period of time).
When you mc you often go over everything in your head, over and over, you do not want some worry that "they got it wrong" hanging over you.
I know all about false hope and I am not meaning to give you any, it does sadly sound like this is a non-viable pregnancy, but still it might be easier to come to terms with when you have all the information that you need.

ToriB34 · 10/02/2015 20:21

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xchylersmom · 11/02/2015 17:42

I do have a private scan scheduled for the 16th with a high resolution machine at a high risk office. So once I go there that will give me confirmation on the outcome and I will be able to move to the next step whatever it May be.

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Beesandbutterflies · 12/02/2015 07:01

I hope you get an answer op, hugs xxx

ImpatiencePersonified · 16/02/2015 09:52

Just wanted to stop by and wish you the best of luck for today Xchylersmom

Flowers
Luciferbox · 16/02/2015 09:57

Thinking of you today

sbear22 · 16/02/2015 13:12

just read this thread, sending love for your scan today, fingers crossed x

weeblueberry · 16/02/2015 15:22

Also wanted to say I'm thinking of you today OP and hope you get some answers.

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xchylersmom · 19/02/2015 18:35

Didn't have the scan Monday due to weather here but had it today and didn't get good news. I have had a missed miscarriage and have to have a D&C. Thank you for all your kind words and all of your support it has helped a lot.

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Bondy83 · 19/02/2015 18:51

Sending big hugs to you I went through exactly same thing last year it's absolutely awful it took me a long time to get over it. Have a bottle of wine and a massive bar of chocolate and a good cry xxx

beautyfades · 19/02/2015 19:50

Aw I'm so sorry to hear that. Hope you have someone with you that can give BIG HUGGS. My thoughts wil be with you xx??

Beesandbutterflies · 19/02/2015 20:13

Sorry to hear your news, big hugs, take care xxx

Lweji · 19/02/2015 20:32
Sad So sorry.