Whooping cough vaccine

[Misscocopops]

Morning all!
Yesterday I booked in for my whooping cough vaccine, and I've gone into the daily mail and there is a story of a lady who's newborn baby died from whooping cough after not having the vaccine. In the comments is a lady saying she had the jab at and her baby was still born the following week.
So I went on the NHS website to read more. The jab has only been used since 2012 (recent) but as of JULY 2014 they have changed the jab to a different make up.

This is making me feel very

Bloody phone!

This is making me feel like me and my baby are guinea pigs. It even says on the NHS website that the jab they are using HAS NOT been tested on pregnant ladies!

Has anyone else had the new jab post July 2014???

Thanks

But the manufacturer's leaflet says there's no information on the use of Boostrix IPV in pregnancy. Should it be used in pregnancy?
As with other types of medicine, Boostrix IPV has not been tested on pregnant women, which is why the manufacturer's information leaflet includes this statement.
Pertussis-containing vaccine, in the form of Repevax, has been used routinely in pregnant women since October 2012 and its safety has been carefully monitored by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). Its study of nearly 20,000 vaccinated women found no evidence of risks to pregnancy or pregnancy outcome.
Boostrix (similar to Boostrix IPV but without the polio component) is one of the vaccines routinely recommended in the US for immunisation of pregnant women. Experience in the US has identified no safety concerns with the use of the vaccine in pregnancy. The licence for Boostrix IPV allows for its use in pregnancy when clearly needed, and when the possible benefits outweight the possible risks.
As with other inactivated vaccines, it is not expected that vaccination with Boostrix IPV harms the unborn baby. An inactivated vaccine is one that does not contain "live" vaccine. You can find out more about inactivated and "live" vaccines.

I've had it. I had a long chat with the nurse and she was explaining it's the same product in a different package. She said it's a cost cutting exercise and the nhs often change suppliers which is what has happened in this case. Medicines are never tested on pregnant women, Thats just standard. Think about it, would you volunteer yourself for product testing while pregnant?! Stay off the daily mail. It's full of crap and you should listen to medical professionals, not scaremongering journalists.

Boostrix IPV is the replacement for Repevax for pregnant women from 1/7/14. Same active components. Daily Mail is not a good source of health advice. In any given month you can see 2 stories about the same health problem from opposing points of view usually scaremongering from tiny studies with about 3 people in them. Most people with whooping cough are not diagnosed. I had a suspected bout last year and it was frightening for me as an adult. Turned out to be post-viral irritation and ended up with an inhaler for a bit but at the time I could not catch my breath. Could not imagine watching my baby go through that - literally could not get breath and whooped and gasped when I coughed.
www.hpa.org.uk/webw/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1317136400742 advice from HPA for GPs
www.gov.uk/government/publications/resources-to-support-whooping-cough-vaccination and govt leaflets for women.

I will be having it and chasing if it isn't offered. I also need Anti-D and will have the flu vaccine if it's offered before my due date in Nov. needless to say, baby will also be having all recommended vaccinations later on. My friend's baby got measles as some parents hadn't vaccinated. He's fine but it could have turned out badly.

Can't test on pregnant women is not ethical or safe so they can't say outright is okay for pregnant women but the vast majority have been fine with it.
I had mine 4 weeks ago had a sore arm for a few days but no problems. better to trust the nhs website than daily mail....

Hi Misscocopops. It sounds like you want more information about this, and you're not alone, many women have done since this was introduced, and there are already a number of threads discussing all the issues on either side of the argument on these boards if you search for them.

If you want more information than you are probably receiving from your midwife, the minutes of the JCVI committee (who make the recommendations to the NHS) are found in this link:

www.gov.uk/government/groups/joint-committee-on-vaccination-and-immunisation

Of particular relevance are the August 2012 minutes (when they first discussed what action to take in wake of the baby deaths) and June 2014 (where they have reviewed the evidence to date from the studies done on safety and effectiveness of Repevax in pregnancy).

I had the jab this week for my curent pregnancy. When my DS was born 2 years ago it was before the routine jabs and our friends' new baby got whooping cough and ended up very unwell in hospital for weeks.

Unless there was evidence that the jab resulted in the stillbirth of the story in the newspaper, it could have been a coincidence.

You just have to look at the resurgence of measles following people not getting MMR done to see the effect of not vaccinating when it is advised.

I had the jab last year when I was pregnant with dd.

And I'll be having it again this year for this pregnancy.

Everything was fine. Don't let it worry you and with the amount of babies that died from whooping cough (14?) I'd rather not take the risk. They are so vulnerable.

Sadly I think that baby in the story would probably have been born stillborn without the vaccine, it's just one of those shitty things.

AFAIK, there has been no increase in stillbirth rate since the rollout of this vaccination.

UK has a very good system of examining stillbirths and neonatal deaths (CESID) and I doubt that it would miss an increase.