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Baby Clothes - only pink and blue?

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starfish99 · 19/06/2014 09:27

Hi all
I'm pregnant with my first and due in November. We've started to shop for the baby but are not going to find out the sex so need to buy gender-neutral items.
I'm shocked by how gender-biased the clothing is. In Next for example, there was only one outfit that wasn't either pink or blue. If we have a girl I don't want to dress her in pink all of the time and if I have a boy I don't want to constantly dress him in blue. The patterns are also so stereotypically designed - blue aeroplanes and rockets for boys and pink flowers and fairies for girls. If they must stick to pink and blue why not pink rockets and blue flowers?
I find it incredibly sexist - is this really want people want or is this what retailers think we want? I was wondering if there have ever been any petitions to retailers to try and encourage them to stock more gender-neutral clothing?
Could anyone recommend a retailer that has a better range?
Thanks

OP posts:
HazleNutt · 19/06/2014 14:11

tonic I have a DS and have found the opposite - if he is wearing any bright colours, god forbid pink, then people will assume he's a girl. And I often shop in girl's section to get anything that isn't sludge brown, covered in tractors. (agree that it's stupid to gender segregate baby clothes. Why not just tops and trousers and let the parents choose if they think it's suitable for their boy or girl?)

The shops are on to me though and now most stuff that is not covered in tractors, is covered in frills and pink glitter. Bastards.

Xcountry · 19/06/2014 14:18

online shopping will be your best friend. I didn't want gender neutral and I did find out the sex each time but I hate blue and wanted my boys in other colours like green and grey and brown etc.

ruth1104 · 19/06/2014 14:20

I have similar rage; one of the reasons I didnt want to find out the gender was so i'd avoid at least some of the 'pink and blue' but its hard! (and so i'd be brave enough to buy a few 'girl' and 'boy' toys before LO's here and i chicken out.)
But you know this is a completely manufactured problem? For exactly the reasons redtoothbrush describes -
www.upworthy.com/the-truth-behind-mens-body-wash-and-womens-body-wash-will-make-you-feel-dirty?g=2

hubbahubster · 19/06/2014 14:23

As a related issue, the toy thing annoys me too. DS Ioves playing shops and with tea sets, and he's into Disney Princesses too, but all the marketing features girls. Why can't toys just be toys?

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2014 14:44

You only have to look at the antenatal thread titles to see just how much women are buying into this.

Are you team blue, pink or yellow? My arse. I'm team baby.

minipie · 19/06/2014 15:04

oh yes euro that reminds me of another point.

Boys' clothes often seem to be WAY more practical.

For example, last winter I wanted lined jeans (for warmth) for DD. I bought boys' ones - none of the girls' jeans I could find had linings. Why not? Don't girls get cold? Is that because they are all indoors doing drawing while the boys kick a ball outside Hmm Hmm?

Shoes - I have noticed that boys' toddler shoes seem to be much more robust and supportive. Because girls' shoes need to look "dainty", so they give them thinner soles and little straps rather than the thick straps boys get.

Coats - There seem to be far far fewer thick/waterproof padded winter coats available for girls than boys. Why?

Thick jumpers for boys versus thin cotton cardigans for girls.

I could go on...

There are exceptions - I'm not saying you can't get the practical stuff for girls - it's just much harder to find and there are far fewer options available.

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2014 15:16

I've just been shopping and wondered into Gap.

They had some nice standard shaped baby vests in turquoise reduced.

The ones with tiny white stars were labelled 'baby girl'.
The ones with white stripes were labelled 'baby body'.

They were exactly the same style and exactly the same shape and exactly the same colour.

It baffled me.

But not as much as the plain white vests labelled 'baby boy'!!!

I think I am clearly missing something here.

MumOfTheMoos · 19/06/2014 15:17

I've just bought some lovely blue and yellow stuff for a new born in John Lewis Kin - thus stuff is for a girl though, not unisex but just not punk.

In fact john Lewis do quite a few unisex sleep suits, irc.

OneLittleToddleTerror · 19/06/2014 15:26

minipie I agree with the shoes. The girls ones often aren't suitable for toddler play. If you mean something like these
www.clarks.co.uk/c/girls-dance-pumps

But I guess you buy them to wear with a pretty dress to a special party? We went to a playdate and friend's daughter has heels. DD was very excited about playing princess with those heels. However I was worried the whole time she would trip over and twist her ankles Hmm. Didn't say a thing though as I think it would seem out of place for me to criticize about shoe choices.

On the other hand I found the doodle range quite good for my 3yo. She wants very pink and very sparkly (her words princess). I got her these
www.clarks.co.uk/p/20353909

Crocs is good as well if you are after sturdy sandals that protect their toes in playgrounds.

moggle · 19/06/2014 15:30

The no pink for little boys thing is doubly odd because you see adult men in pink things all the time - my DH has a bunch of pink and lilac shirts in this wardrobe. And I see lots of boys and teens say 10 and up (so probably starting to choose their own clothes) wearing pink tshirts, hoodies. Most odd.

minipie · 19/06/2014 15:34

Red that's hilarious! Plain white vests labelled baby boy.

I guess it's because they didn't have puffed sleeves, or lace embellishments, or heart shaped poppers Hmm

minipie · 19/06/2014 15:34

and moggle until Edwardian times, pink was regarded as a boy's colour. Pale blue was for girls.

katandkits · 19/06/2014 15:39

Plain white vests and sleepsuits. A few packets of dylon. Cheap and cheerful way to get coloured baby clothes, although the metal on the poppers will still be white. Shame about next, when DS was born two years ago we got some lovely rainbow stripe unisex things. Marks and spencer had some nice unisex sleepsuits too back then.

weebairn · 19/06/2014 16:03

The cynical me thinks they have the stuff in pink/blue so to stop you reusing baby items for your 2nd, 3rd etc.

I think this is exactly it.

I hate the pink/white frilly stuff (bright pink is cool though!) and bought totally nongendered stuff for my daughter, mostly from mother care, h&m, and ebay. Nice bright vests, dayglo multicoloured nappies, sleep suits with hippos and lions on them. She does occasionally wear a dress now she's 1 and a half and I certainly don't ban pink but I had no time for the fussy stuff. I don't like white much, more of a dayglo girl, but there's lots of that around if which is nice and unisex if you like it. I got a few expensive presents from places like organics for kids which were lovely, a frog sleep suit and things like that.

Now I am expecting number 2 (haven't found out gender) and it's SO COOL I can reuse all my adorable baby clothes no matter whether it's a boy or a girl!

She does have a few pink sleep suits and vests etc which I would have no problem putting on a boy anyway. Possibly not a dress.. . I'm not quite that cool Grin

I think the biggest problem with girls' clothes is not actually the pink frilliness but the fact a lot of them are impractical to run around in. This obviously doesn't matter with a newborn, but what sort of message are you giving to a toddler? Dress them in something they can move in...

weebairn · 19/06/2014 16:06

Oh and people often think DD is a boy but it doesn't really bother me.

eurochick · 19/06/2014 16:09

We walked into Next kids' dept and straight out again at the weekend. We could not find a single item of babywear that could be described as gender neutral.

This is the email I got from change.org today. Someone is starting a petition.

"On Saturday 31 May I visited the Clarks store in Westfield, Stratford and was horrified to find gender-stereotyped notices above the boys’ and girls’ shoes:

Above one lot of shoes: "Because boys test their shoes to destruction, so do we"

Above the other: "Because girls love comfort and style, we design both into our shoes"

These offensive posters suggest that boys are active (testing their shoes to destruction) while girls are passively pretty (interested in style and comfort).

I grew up in the carefree 1970s when kids were kids and my brother and I wore matching outfits on a regular basis. As an adult, I've made my career in equality law and am all too aware of the damaging effects that stereotypes, whether based on sex, race, sexual orientation or religion, can have upon children when they are growing up.

I'm also a mum to a girl and two boys, so I know how important it is for kids to grow up with the space to be who they are, not who someone else thinks they ought to be.

Gender stereotyping has an important effect on children’s development. To suggest that boys engage in active outdoor play of the type that destroys shoes, while girls are interested in fashion and looking pretty, is to reinforce damaging social stereotypes and to deprive both sexes of the opportunity to become who they really are.

For more on why this matters, see the excellent campaign materials by Let Toys be Toys.

Thank you for your support - and please tweet using hashtag #letshoesbeshoes - thanks!"

squizita · 19/06/2014 16:26

Kitandkats is dylon OK to use normally for baby skin (don't want a lime green baby or any rashes Grin ) - or do you use it differently?

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2014 16:31

Well squizita that could bring a whole new meaning to teams pink, blue and yellow! Grin

TortoiseUpATreeAgain · 19/06/2014 16:36

"I bought boys' ones - none of the girls' jeans I could find had linings. Why not? Don't girls get cold? Is that because they are all indoors doing drawing while the boys kick a ball outside"

To be fair, I think partly it's because girls are expected to wear tights under their trousers in winter, whereas boys can't wear tights or else they will catch The Gay.

TortoiseUpATreeAgain · 19/06/2014 16:39

I would like to put out a big thumbs up to Asda, who had a lot of pink in their toddler boys' line last summer (or it might have been the summer before... my years kind of telescope at the moment. Paradoxically I bought a fair bit of it for DD2, because it was more practical and less foofy than the girls' collection.

Pobblewhohasnotoes · 19/06/2014 16:46

Well Next have these

www.next.co.uk/g394634s3

www.next.co.uk/x53912s4

www.next.co.uk/x532922s4

www.next.co.uk/x53922s2

We bought some of them.

mupperoon · 19/06/2014 16:51

For 0-6 months babygros with a bit of rock chic how about Nippaz with Attitude?

katandkits · 19/06/2014 16:58

I can't see why dylon would be a problem. I've washed the clothes after dying them. Actually I dyed them pink but that was because I had a ton of unisex stuff and no girls clothes.

VisualiseAHorse · 19/06/2014 16:59

I love Vertbaudet for all clothes, the baby stuff is lovely.

eurochick · 19/06/2014 16:59

Pobble I've noticed that Next online seems to be better than the shops where you are just hit with a wall of pink and a wall of blue.

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