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Lilus · 31/10/2013 22:40

I'm so scared!! We have had 2 miscarries (both before I even realised I was pregnant) and this is the third time pregnant. The difference is this is the first time I've known that I'm pregnant and so excited. I have medical conditions that concerned the doctore including high blood pressure and diabetes, so they have been monitoring my HCG levels every twice a week. At 4 weeks 2 days, I had a transvaginal scan that showed a 4.5mm sac. At 5 weeks 6 days, I had my 2nd scan (abdominal) that showed a 8.9mm sac. The next morning I was called by my doctor and asked to come and see her immediately. I went in with my husband and she told me that my HCG levels were rising, but very slowly from 3000 - 8000 in 6 days. At this rate the pregnancy will not survive. She went on to tell me that the scan showed that I had a 8.9mm sac visible, but that it was empty and because of that information combined, she believed I would miscarry again. I have not been sick, I haven't experienced any pain, my breast were tender and growing, but are no longer tender. The doctor proceeded to ask me if I wanted to wait for things to naturally occur or if I wanted her to book a procedure. At that stage I completely broke down and I could no longer hear anything she had to say. She ended by saying, miracles can happen, but unlikely and that I needed to be prepared for the worst. My husband and I are traumatised by her message, but we are remaining hopeful that this baby is okay, to us it just seems too early for a doctor to make such definite conclusions. Has anyone else experienced this? Are we wrong to hope for the best? (Sorry I was trying to figure out how to work this blog and ended up posting this on someone elses thread, incase you have read this for the second time)

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Bumpiemalumpie · 31/10/2013 22:46

Thanks I have no words, have a hand to hold xxx Thanks

JiltedJohnsJulie · 31/10/2013 23:23

Oh Lilus you must be so worried. I had a very similar pg. Could you call the doctor or his secretary tomorrow and ask them to clarify why they think the pg isn't viable? One thing that helped me was good information from the HCPs.

Bakingtins · 31/10/2013 23:42

Hi Lilus I'm sorry you are in this horrible limbo. I've had 4 MC and been in a similar situation with a pregnancy that looked doubtful but no actual MC symptoms a few times.
The HCG is supposed to double every 48 hrs so in 6 days you would hope it had gone from 3000-24000.
At 5 weeks + you would expect to see the sac with a foetal pole, but probably not a heartbeat, that would normally start between 6-7 weeks.
I'm not sure what the normal sac size is for that gestation.
Most doctors are reluctant to call it hopeless at that sort of gestation because of potential for confusion on dates or late ovulation.
I think for your peace of mind I would want to wait a week and rescan to make sure it is not developing before making any decisions.
There is a lot of support available on the miscarriage board (body and soul section) whilst you endure the wait. If the worst does happen you should be eligible for recurrent miscarriage teasing which hopefully would give you some answers why this has happened.
Will keep fingers crossed for you.

fifi669 · 31/10/2013 23:46

I had an early scan with DS, they couldn't find anything at 6 weeks, had another at 8 weeks and there he was :) all is not lost yet! Hope it all works out for you

Lilus · 01/11/2013 03:56

Thank you so much. I don't feel so alone after reading these messages

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Lilus · 01/11/2013 04:01

After a day 1 day at work trying hard not to breakdown, then today I've felt a lot stronger. You will never know how much your words have comforted me at this horrible time. Over the day I feel more settled. I arrived home yesterday only to see my husband who I have never seen cry in my life balling his eyes out. We prayed together and decided that even though the message was very hard to accept, we will wait it out and see what happens. No matter what, out lil one has been loved!! Thank you!!!

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livingzuid · 01/11/2013 06:20

Oh lilus i really feel for you I had exactly the same situation with a terrible songrapher at 7wks but now 9wks 3days in and still vomiting :). It is just too early to see things sometimes and you should not do anything until you see a different doctor and scan at least at 8 weeks if not a bit later. It's so stressful going for an early scan I wonder at the benefits sometimes. Hoping things turn out well for you xx

livingzuid · 01/11/2013 06:22

Gynaecologist I meant to say not songrapher what's one of those

kd73 · 01/11/2013 06:33

My friend is due to have her baby next month, she was also told her hcg levels not doubling as expected and the pregnancy may not be viable. Keep your chin up x

lizziekal · 01/11/2013 07:08

I'm so sorry that you are going through this. It happened to me too and I know how heartbreaking it is. Miracles do happen but normally there is a reasonable correlation between HCG levels/and what they can see on an ultrasound. At 1000 there should be the gestational sac, at 2500 the yolk sac, at 5000 the fetal pole and at 8000+ a heartbeat but I have heard of cases (particularly) in twin pregnancies where there is a normally developing twin and an empty sac which miraculously manages to catch up at a later ultrasound. Don't rush into any decisions, go back for another ultrasound next week and in the meantime stay strong. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you xx

KatAndKit · 01/11/2013 16:41

The guidelines are that an empty sac should be at least 20mm before they declare that it is definitely a non viable pregnancy. I would not book any procedure until you have waited another ten days and been rescanned.

so sorry you are having to go through this again.

MissMedusa · 01/11/2013 17:16

With this pg I had a scan at 5+1 where all we could see was an empty sac measuring 8mm. I googled and found that at 8mm you should, at least, be able to see a yolk sac so I was convinced that I would mc (I have had 2 previous mcs) but by the next week we saw an embryo with a heartbeat and at least at the time of my last scan at 9+3 everything was measuring normally. At that point my HCG were at 3000, I didn't have them checked again so don't know how they were rising. I guess my point is that having an empty sac that is that size doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong.

Lilus · 01/11/2013 17:29

Wow there is some hope then!!! This waiting game is so horrible. When ivfirst met my husband, id go to sleep yhinking of him and he'd be my first thought in the morning... its a bit like that but thoughts of our little one a hope for life and preparing for death. Livingzuid, I only wish I had morning sickness... Than at least I'd feel pg. hope all continues well for you and the little one. Thank you all!!!

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livingzuid · 01/11/2013 20:29

Lilus my morning sickness didn't start till well in my 7th week. I won't get a scan till 12 but perhaps that is just as well! Remember lots and lots of women get no symptoms at all so you are not different because of that. Lots of positive vibes being sent your way. The game is not up yet!

livingzuid · 01/11/2013 20:32

I should have said I mc in Feb so I know how you feel. Check out the positivfrikity thread on this subject lots of ladies there with great advice :)

Sharon4321 · 01/11/2013 21:44

Just joined here and great to read through other's experiences. I'm 7 weeks pregnant, very tired and been feeling nauseous for last week. Not been sick but not able to make it through a cooked meal! We've been trying for years and finally success through IVF, so very nervous about our 7 week scan on Monday.

Sharon4321 · 01/11/2013 21:50

Pressed send too early! I agree with need to stay positive, and hope all works out for us all. But it's great to feel the support that's on here.

Lilus · 02/11/2013 09:09

thanks ladies! I mc last year in March and then again this year in March. I'm going to check the other threads and celebrate what I have and enjoy and celebrate the joy of other expectant mothers. Feeling much better today, and even had a great day with friends, watched a movie and did some shopping! Thank you all so much for your words of encouragement but also the advise on the reality of things.

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Countmyblessings · 02/11/2013 10:08

Lilus - please just take each day as it comes and hold on to the fact that until your body says something else your still pregnant and baby is holding on in there!
Not sure where you are but in the uk all the recent news about mistakes being made as the hospital wasn't following the right guidelines!!! I'm in such shock!!!!
I do pray all will be well for you!
My story heartache & tears can also turn into happiness and smiles again!!!
Take care of you

Lilus · 04/11/2013 00:31

Countmyblessings...love your name! That is exactly how I'm going to approach it. I'm thanking God for every day we are pregnant. I'm in NZ. I thank you for your support and all the other great support from others. I've shared with my husband all the support you all have given me and even he is very hopeful now too.

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Bumpiemalumpie · 12/11/2013 18:09

Hi Lilus, just checking in to see how you are. xxx

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