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Elective C-Section (medical/non medical reasons)

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LittlePeaPod · 11/09/2013 08:21

I understand this subject has been done before. I also know that ECS particularly as personal choice rather than as a medical need is an emotive subject and the debate about CS birth can be particularly contentious.

Considering 1 in 4 women in the UK experience a CS birth I have been disappointed to see how inadequate access to CS antenatal information is, so women can make a truly informed decision. Personally I think it's short-sighted to focus solely on VB and continually emphasise managing pain relief. The NHS is so focused on their target to reduce the 1 in 4 CS due to cost that they are neglecting their responsibilities to those women that choose or want a CS birth regardless of medical need.

I am currently 23+6 and I have chosen to opt for an ECS. There is no medical reason for a CS but this is a birth choice that I want. I understand that CS and VB both carry real but different risks but I believe these risks should be explained to women so we can make informed decisions about which birth risks we wish to take. Unfortunately this is not the case and the push for VB is so endemic in the NHS that women are not receiving the true facts on CS.

For those women like me that want an ECS birth. I just wanted you to know that due to the new NISA guidelines if you want/choose a CS the NHS now have to give you one. They will do everything they can to try and change your mind to the point of trying to scare you and make you feel guilty about your choice. But, regardless of medical need if you insist that a CS is the right choice for you the NHS have to honour your wishes and give you a CS. I am fortunate to have been able to privately pay for independent advice on VB and CS from three different very well respected professionals in the UK (two consultant obstetricians and one consultant in fetal medicine) and also received advice from a close family friend who is a consultant anaesthetist. I was shocked to hear how target driven VBs are in the NGS and how in fact this is what's driving the push for women been made to think they should have a VB and not the safety issue.

Ladies it is your choice how you have your babies and what you do with your body. If you want a CS you can have a CS regardless of medical need on the NHS. My DF and I have just spent a lot of money finding that out. I am 23+6 and the NHS have now confirmed I will be having an ECS and there is no medical or psychological need. I am having it because its my choice. I wanted to share this because prior to spending a fortune getting non biased information I was under the impression that I had to prove a VB was medically necessary, would psychologically affect me or that I had a fear of VB before a CS would be authorised by the NHS. Well that's not the case, its about personal choice. VB or CS you have a right to choose and the NHS have to honour your choice. It's just a shame and has royally pissed me the fuck off that if your choice is an ECS for non medical reasons the NHS are making it so difficult for you to opt for that choice in an informed way.

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Writerwannabe83 · 30/12/2013 18:21

How exciting about all these upcoming babies!!!!Grin

I was talking to mu auntie today about my ELCS and she said that based on her experiences she advised I ask to have it done under GA as opposed to having an epidural Shock I thought it was quite extreme but she implied that we are allowed to make this request? Is that right?

RedToothBrush · 30/12/2013 18:48

Writer, what I understand is that GA is a lot more risky for any CS because of the effects on the baby and the potential of breathing difficulties for the mother.

I think that GA is generally advised again medically for this reason, unless the woman concerned has very extreme anxiety or another underlying condition which makes it unwise to have a local. Even in the extreme cases of anxiety I do think this is still regarded as a last resort and only in the worse cases (baring in mind here how difficult it is to get an ELCS in the first place for a lot of women). I do believe this is rare, and I'm quite surprised that someone has advised you of this as an option as I really don't think its common practice.

I know there are risks associated with having a regional anaesthetic too but the reason they do ELCS routinely under a regional anaesthetic rather than a GA is precisely because of the difference in risk isn't minor.

Also ELCS are usually done with a spinal block rather than an epidural - again there is a difference with the risks between the two. Are you sure someone isn't getting their wires crossed somewhere along the line?

terilou87 · 30/12/2013 20:18

I had my emcs under ga and will be having spinal block for this one ( will update thread to which I preferred)but consultant said local is much better for you and you don't have the groggy feeling afterwards, however at my consultant appointmemt we did discus the type of anaesthetic that I could of had so I think again it is choice but there is preference towards spinal block.

Writerwannabe83 · 30/12/2013 21:50

I didn't know there was a difference between an epidural and a spinal block? I thought they were just different terms for the same thing???

weebigmamma · 30/12/2013 22:06

I had a spinal block to get my stitched after the last birth. I think the difference is that an epidural is a line-in and constant flow of the drug. Spinal block is a one-ff injection. Let me know if that's not correct tho.

LittlePeaPod · 30/12/2013 22:10

Writer I too am having a spinal but you can also have a combination (spinal and epidural). My consultants preference is local and not GA for ELCS.

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RedToothBrush · 30/12/2013 22:26

Couple of links which describe difference (apologies they are either dated or not uk based and don't offer a comparison of risks. I know I've seen a sheet with comparative figures on, but I can't find it for the life of me)
www.preop.com.au/CAESAR.htm

www.oaa-anaes.ac.uk/assets/_managed/editor/File/Info%20for%20Mothers/archives/CS/CS_ed1_english_2003_mar.pdf

terilou87 · 31/12/2013 07:45

Today is the day!! Good luck littepea what time are you in for, nurse said I'm first in so about 9 just waiting for dp to get here.

LittlePeaPod · 31/12/2013 07:53

Today is the day indeed. I have just checked in. There are two CS today but not sure who is going first.

Good luck terilou

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SlinkyB · 31/12/2013 08:26

Ooh, how exciting! Hope you do get to go first and meet your babies realllly soon!

Forgot to ask if any of you have chosen your own music? We're allowed to bring our own so keep meaning to sort a cd/iPod out.

Hope everything goes well for you both today Smile

Writerwannabe83 · 31/12/2013 09:03

Good luck!!!!! Smile

aclxxx · 31/12/2013 10:23

Best wishes terilou and littlepeapod x how exciting Smile

terilou87 · 31/12/2013 16:03

So update!! Jules is here I was first in for emcs he weighed 6lb 13 and was born at 9:47am,
So before I went down I was offered either ga or spinal, I chose spinal and so glad I did, recovery from ga was very slow and it meant I didn't get to meet ds straight away, I couldn't move for first day but this time I'm moving a little. Also dp was there to see the birth which was important to me as he wasn't aloud under ga, it took around an hour and half in total as I had other problems too so it meant a few more stitches. So iv now had natural births emcs and elcs and after my experience today for me elcs wins hands down!!

How's things littlepea, hope all is going wellThanks

peeapod · 31/12/2013 16:06

aww hello little one :) glad you had a positive experience, enjoy your new mummy time :)

elliejjtiny · 31/12/2013 16:06

Good luck both of you. Please share the pros and cons of spinal v GA terilou87. I had an ELCS with a spinal with DS4 and really didn't like it. Currently pg with DC5 and hoping for a VBAC but considering asking for a GA if I have to have another CS.

elliejjtiny · 31/12/2013 16:10

Congratulations terilou87 My DS4 was born at 9:47am too (first ELCS of the day).

SlinkyB · 31/12/2013 20:03

Congratulations terilou!!! Grin Flowers Glad to hear all went well this morning, and welcome to the world little baby Jules!

Just waiting to hear from LittlePeaPod now...

Happy New Year all! Smile xx

LittlePeaPod · 31/12/2013 20:59

Hi all. I am delighted to say our gorgeous (yes I am biased) DD was born at 9.37am and weighed 8lb.

DH and I are delighted with the care so far. We were first on the list and I had a mixture of epidural and spinal block. I was able to breast feed as soon as we were in recovery. I have already been up and walking about. Not in much pain but I think the pain relief pessary is still going strong.

So far my experience is nothing but positive and I am do glad I opted for an ELCS.

Really tired as I was up all last night bug I guess I better get used to it. Ha ha ha

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peeapod · 31/12/2013 21:04

aww congrats. thanks for the update, wasnt expecting it for a few days.. :)

emeraldgirl1 · 31/12/2013 21:39

Congrats ladies!!!
Littlepeapod, like you I chose an ELCS (am phobic about vb, literally can't understNd why women want to do it in the same way that am sure many women can't understand why I feel the way I do!!) Anyway just wanted to say Day 2 after the section can be tough, the meds wear off a bit... I had a moment shuffling round the room thinking 'what have I done to myself???!!'
BUT I wouldn't have done it any other way, recovery was fine and much quicker than I expected. Just warning you not to feel too panicked by how crappy Day 2 feels!!! Day 3 is loads better
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LittlePeaPod · 31/12/2013 21:41

Thanks emerald

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SlinkyB · 31/12/2013 22:47

Congratulations LittlePeaPod!! Flowers Great weight too!

Hope you have a fairly restful night, although it is hard in hospital from what I can remember, and I'm sure you're still buzzing!

FraggleRock77 · 01/01/2014 02:03

Congratulations xx

CAnn88 · 01/01/2014 03:29

Have been watching this thread with interest for about 15 weeks! So happy to hear about your great outcomes, congratulations! Am popping on here to ask if anyone has asked for a csection at the last minute and been given one? I have a few medical reasons (high fluid, SPD, unstable lie, extremely high anxiety, high bmi) which my consultant seems unperturbed by, but that I am terribly worried about. I know that all of these factors increase chances of intervention, and I'm very scared of the baby getting distressed and having a scary emcs. Any advice would be appreciated as I am very stressed, 39 +3, and can't get access to any unbiased advice. CongrTs again ladies!

GreatJoanUmber · 01/01/2014 10:26

Congrats terilou and LittlePea on your new arrivals!! Great to hear and I hope you'll post more details about the recovery and such!

I had my last MW appt yesterday and she told me that our hospital does 3 ELCS per day, and I might be able to find out at my pre-op on Fri which number I am.
I'm also going to ask about music then (don't remember who mentioned that?).
CAnn you might have left it a bit late for an ELCS? Not sure what the best way would be, have you asked your consultant before? Try and make an appt ASAP to discuss this; but they might well decline for it being too late (as in, you might not even get an appt before your 40w one).

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