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why is there so much pressure to breast feed??

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blondebaby111 · 30/06/2013 18:34

Just that really??!!! At my first midwife app it was thrown In my face abit when I said I wasn't sure yet if I would but I'd feel more comftable doing both. Why are you made to feel like its such a crime. I'm only 12 weeks so have alot more appointments where this will be brought up.

I have friends who have breastfed and have had miserable babies that rarely settle, they are completely flustered with it and some verge on pnt because of all the pressure. Yet the friends that haven't breastfed or done both seem to have happy babies, they are a lot more happier in themselves and generally just so relaxed. So my views are mixed on this.

I don't want to start a debate but I just wish we could all make our minds up without midwives frowning or thinking its bad if we choose not too....just saying!!!

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midori1999 · 03/07/2013 14:18

mumngran I would like to think that in 20-30 years, in the UK, breastfeeding will again be seen as the normal way to feed a baby and the majority of women will do it without question, because that is what their Mum did, their siblings did and what they have always expected to do. A bit like the situation in Norway now.

Women are already 'tempted back to formula' the majority of women FF or mixed feed. FF is seen as normal in our culture and women who breastfeed exclusively are actually pretty rare.

Also, not sure when the 'dark days' you refer to are, but certainly when my Mum has us she didn't want to give bottles, despite formula being extremely popular then. (in the 70's) She was in fact, forced to give formula after midwives telling her she didn't have enough milk and then thought that at around 6 weeks her milk was drying up. Same story with all four of us and in fact, the same story for many women who had babies at that time. Women who wanted to breastfeed... Sad Luckily, we now know a lot more about breastfeeding and how it works, which should enable more women who want to to breastfeed, but more support and information and a shift in cultural norms is needed for that to happen.

Writerwannabe83 · 03/07/2013 14:19

You can get them on eBay - I just had a look Smile

I think they are brilliant and would definitely buy one!!!

I had to go and visit a new mom a few months ago as part of my job and I got the shock of my life when she opened the front door to me as she had her baby attached to one breast and the other one was swinging free Grin. She was a well endowed woman so both me and everyone in the street got a good view of them Smile

It didn't bother me as I see breasts and babies feeding on them most days at work but it put such a smile on my face to see her being so care-free. She was so open about it and obviously had absolutely no hang ups whatsoever about her boobs being on display for all to see Smile And why should she anyway??? They are for feeding not ogling. Grin

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MumnGran · 03/07/2013 14:35

midori " when my Mum has us she didn't want to give bottles, despite formula being extremely popular then "

Exactly. The dark days!!
I fought to express for weeks while PFB struggled for life in PICU. Then ebf 2DD's against advice, until finally drying up (despite every effort to maintain). I raised my DDs to believe that bf is normal, natural and the best option.
So, yes, I passionately believed in bf at a time when it wasn't pushed by professionals, just as there are mums now who passionately believe in formula being their best option, now.

Teaandflapjacks · 03/07/2013 14:42

@ glitz that is what I had written though -

What people are trying to say is that the baby will get extra antibodies etc from breast milk, not that FF is harmful.

Not eating convenience food full of additives is the normal measure - so you will get more antibodies etc from eating a better diet (based on what you say with normal measure etc).

I just think this is a better way to make the point - smoking gives you a much higher risk of cancer, and other health issues. FF does not give a baby a higher risk of cancer. BF gives certain health benefits which should be clearly explained to mothers, but if they can't for whatever reason FF will not endanger their child. This to me seems like the most sensible approach.

Teaandflapjacks · 03/07/2013 14:44

also - you said all health polices are based on scientific facts - when that isn't the case TBH. sadly.

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choceyes · 03/07/2013 14:58

I've never felt any pressure to BF. Infact after DC1 was born the midwifes and the HVs pushed formula to me as I was having difficulty breastfeeding. Couldn't help me with the latching on (they did try, but they didn't have a clue), and encouraged me to use formula. I expressed and mixed fed for about a week, and then got rid of the formula altogether and expressed exclusively till DS was 10 months. At no point did anyone encourage me to keep trying to latch DS on or any other help with getting him to feed.
Didn't feel any pressure to BF my DD either. The other ladies on the ward were happily given top ups of formula or formula for all the feeds. I think I might have been the only one exclusively breastfeeding.

I always wanted to breastfeed (was happy to pump and feed too) so maybe that's why I didn't feel any pressure as it was something I wanted to do anyway. Perhaps women who are ambivalent towards it or are in the process of making up their minds, or who'd rather FF, feel the pressure when a HCP says that breast is best?

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Teaandflapjacks · 03/07/2013 15:27

@ glitz Brew or Wine (I wish!). we are basically arguing the same point at each other - lol.

re health policies, there are mostly are all based on the latest research - it is just in some cases (like when they over bought the vaccines for swine flu and then were like - er what do we do now, but then if there had been an epidemic and there wasn't enough...) they pushed them a bit. Sometimes the pharmaceuticals lean heavily on them - so that certain drugs are used over others and such like, and this can have a real impact in some areas I think - partic in terms of cancer treatments etc. Like for me - I have an under active Thyroid and a condition called Hashimotos. In the UK my levels for Thyroid were considered ok - in Germany they were not considered ok. They sent me on to check for certain antibodies to check for Hashimotos- but this is costly. They mis-diagnosed me with some fairly serious illnesses (including ME) in the UK, before in germany it was picked up immediately. I was at one stage given strong anti depressants to help my 'anxiety' - which i kept saying i didn't have - and i took them for like a month before stopping them as I knew that was not my problem. It worries me a bit therefore with some of the policies - if my partner was not so supportive and unconvinced of what i was being told i could still be on medication that is totally unhelpful, and not pregnant, since the condition left me temporarily infertile or unable to carry a child to term.

Re. the marg comment - it was just that studies on margarine aeons ago which were against it were ignored and passed it was a food - and then pushed that we should eat that not butter etc, when in fact it was known to be full of certain types of fat our bodies can react badly too. I also think the healthy eating policy they have a bit odd, since we now know that upping protein & veg and not eating as much complex carbs is better for us (not none - we do need carbs) - partic with childhood obesity epidemic, www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/eatwell-plate.aspx - yet this has not been updated - it is things like that really that lead me to question government policies sometimes, and then if i have a policy relevant to me I will just read up on the latest research and figure it out - I think it sounds like you do the same. Grin

FrancescaL · 03/07/2013 15:34

Of course you should do what you want. There are advantages to breast feeding, but none of them outweigh having a happy and comfortable Mum.

I do think that breastfeeding should be supported, and in particular there should be public awareness campaigns to make it clear that breastfeeding in public is totally acceptable.

However, I think those who feel unable to breastfeed for whatever reason should be supported and not judged by their HV/midwife.

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midori1999 · 03/07/2013 16:09

"just as there are mums now who passionately believe in formula being their best option, now"

I think that is the problem tbh. FF is definitely better overall in some situations. Even if it isn't, that is still the Mother's choice. However, it's not really disputable that from a health perspective, breastmilk is far superior to formula milk. If it wasn't, formula companies wouldn't be doing their absolute damnedest to replicate it as closely as possible. That doesn't mean formula isn't a perfectly acceptable alternative, of course it is in countries where we have access to clean water and facilities and in the UK we are lucky enough to have that.

Hullygully · 03/07/2013 16:23

There aren't "other views" champagne

breast is ALWAYS best if possible because sodding breast milk is best for the sodding baby

Hullygully · 03/07/2013 16:24

For a start, formula milk can't replicate the long chain fatty acids found in breast milk. That's just one thing.

Bunbaker · 03/07/2013 16:32

I think the issue here is that in terms of nutritional content breastmilk is better than formula milk, not how you get the milk into the baby.

Hullygully · 03/07/2013 16:33

Here you go:

Comparing Formula and Breast Milk
By Sharon Perkins and Carol Vannais, RN from Breastfeeding For Dummies
One of the major issues to consider when deciding how to feed your baby is the quality of the food itself. Perhaps you've heard that breastfed babies get hungry sooner than bottle-fed babies. Does that mean formula sustains babies better than breast milk? Maybe you've read that formula contains more protein than breast milk. Does that mean your milk is somehow deficient?

A lesson from Little Miss Muffet
You may remember the old nursery rhyme about Little Miss Muffet, sitting on a tuffet, eating her curds and whey. Looking at curds and whey is a good place to start as you examine the differences between breast milk and formula.

Most baby formulas are derived from cow's milk (although dairy-free formulas are also available). When milk ? from the breast or from a cow ? is digested, it breaks down into two byproducts: curds and whey. The curd is white and rubbery, and the whey is liquid.

When cow's milk breaks down, the curd that forms is hard for human babies to digest. Breast milk, on the other hand, forms more whey than curd, and the curd is softer and more easily digested. Because the baby can digest breast milk more easily than cow's milk, he's less likely to decorate your favorite sweater with spit-up.

Formula makers are striving to make their formulas contain more whey and less curd, so they can be digested more like breast milk. Some formulas, like Nutramigen and Alimentum, are made of hydrolyzed protein, which is already broken down, so they are more easily digested than standard cow's milk or soy formulas. In all cases, breast milk is still the gold standard that formula companies are continually trying to match!

Custom-made nutrition
Formula and breast milk look very different; formula is creamier and looks richer than breast milk. This may lead you to believe that formula is more nutritious for your baby, but that's not the case.

One of the amazing things about breast milk is that your milk is specially formulated to have the right composition for your baby, and to contain exactly the right amounts of nutrients. Bottle-fed babies receive the exact same nutrients every time they eat. Breast milk, on the other hand, continually changes in composition so that your baby gets what he or she needs at any age.

Considering colostrum
The first liquid the breasts produce (starting a few months before the baby is born) actually doesn't even look like milk. Colostrum, which is yellow and thicker than breast milk, is a great example of how your body custom-makes the right nutrition for your baby. Here are some of its benefits:

Colostrum has a high concentration of antibodies, especially IgA, an antibody that helps protect the lungs, throat, and intestines.
Colostrum helps "seal" the permeable newborn intestines to prevent harmful substances from penetrating the gut.
Colostrum is very high in concentrated nutrition.
Colostrum has a laxative effect, which helps the baby pass the first bowel movements (and prevents newborn jaundice).
Colostrum is low in fat, high in proteins and carbohydrates, and very easy to digest.
Within a few days after delivery, your body begins to produce mature milk that takes over the work of giving your baby the necessary ingredients for healthy growth. Colostrum is still present for around two weeks; the milk produced during this time is called transitional milk.

Comparing ingredients
Breast milk contains more than 100 ingredients that the formula industry simply can't duplicate. For example, breast milk is full of antibodies that protect babies from illness and help them develop their own immune systems. Some other key differences between the ingredients in breast milk and formula include the following:

Formula has a higher protein content than human milk. However, the protein in breast milk is more easily and completely digested by babies.
Breast milk has a higher carbohydrate content than formula and has large amounts of lactose, a sugar found in lower amounts in cow's milk. Research shows that animals whose milk contains higher amounts of lactose experience larger brain development.
Minerals such as iron are present in lower quantities in breast milk than in formula. However, the minerals in breast milk are more completely absorbed by the baby. In formula-fed babies, the unabsorbed portions of minerals can change the balance of bacteria in the gut, which gives harmful bacteria a chance to grow. This is one reason why bottle-fed babies generally have harder and more odorous stools than breastfed babies.
Feeding frequencies
Breastfed babies often want to eat again sooner after a feeding than bottle-fed babies, which may lead you (or an outspoken relative) to conclude that you aren't producing enough milk, or your milk isn't rich enough.

Breastfed babies eat more often than bottle-fed babies because the fats and proteins in breast milk are more easily broken down than the fats and proteins in formula, so they are absorbed and used more quickly. This means that breastfed babies often have fewer digestive troubles than bottle-fed babies. (Fats in formula aren't as well absorbed, which is one reason why bottle-fed babies have more unpleasant smelling bowel movements.) However, it also means that if you choose to breastfeed, you can expect to be on call for feedings every few hours. (A bottle-fed baby, by contrast, may be able to sleep longer between feedings.)

An important consideration for breastfeeding mothers is the length of time your baby spends nursing on each breast. A baby receives thinner breast milk known as foremilk (with a lower fat content) at the beginning of a feeding, and thicker milk (with a higher fat content) after he has been nursing for several minutes. This thicker milk is called hindmilk. Allowing the baby to completely empty the breast ensures that he gets an adequate amount of hindmilk. Hindmilk has a sleep-inducing effect, resulting in the relaxed look your baby may have at the end of a meal

Hullygully · 03/07/2013 16:33

^^ It's not something one can have "different views" about.

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Hullygully · 03/07/2013 16:43

Are you doing this on purpose?

You can't have a different view about breast milk being better. I don't care what you do, feed your baby gin for all I care. But stop talking rubbish.

The op asked "why is there "pressure" to breastfeed and I am saying why.