I NEED Pâté!

[Mylittlepuds]

That is all.

None in the USA are stamped, so whether or not they're inoculated you wouldn't have the foggiest.

Laid by lions :o

It's only 2 years since I was pregnant last time and the guidelines have changed so much for the better since then.

Now I can have medium rare steak, Stilton and a couple of units of alcohol a week it makes eating out much more fun!

I'm still avoiding seafood and pate though. Listeria might be a tiny risk, but its a big problem if you catch it.

Oddly, the NHS guidelines do say you can't have dippy eggs. But I agree where the eggs are laid by lions it does seem as though it would be fine.

The guidance changed while I was pregnant on rare meat - the link above did say it was fine as long as it was sealed by cooking (cooked on the outside) but then it changed because a new study came out and there was a note on the guidance saying they were reverting to the old "cook all the way through" advice until they'd had a chance to review it properly.

I craved pate throughout my pregnancy. The urge to eat it vanished as soon as I actually had the baby! Same with oysters first time round...

Hah, yes oysters. This Christmas I'll have to restrain myself. Strange how immediately something is banned, you want it all the more. That's why diets never work...

Re the pate question: here is a CDC link. Interesting to note that whilst you can eat 'shelf-stable' pate, the stuff in the fridge is to be avoided. Also, avoid hot dogs (unless reheated til steaming hot). Plus, you can eat soft cheeses as long as they are made with pasturised milk - I always thought this was the case, but nice to have the confirmation.

Mind you the last US listeria outbreak was caused by Cataloupe melons. Thus proving how us pregnant women shouldn't eat anything at all .

Hang on a minute, I am 7 weeks, and have been eating nothing put Mackerel Pate, I don't believe this is made the same way as meat Pate, and appears to be Fish, Mayo and lemon Juice. Maybe you could give this ago?

There is no room in my life for a well done steak. I've not really enjoyed medium either so I'm just not bothering. Only 12.5 weeks & largely vegetarian ATM due to all feckin day sickness. Ask me again later!

I'm eating well done seafood. Just had some scallops in fact

I'm eating dippy lions eggs too

Goodness, the CDC advice is very different from the British advice!

Ive had one steak medium ... Like Mine medium rare at the most... Preferably with a vague pulse blue, so that was a wasted endeavour.

Was eating pâtè 2-3 times a week as had just discovered it as a food love when i got pregnant (didnt care for it during DS1 pg) really missing it but wont risk it as listeria etc

Have had salami as that is now ok, have had baked camembert but no uncooked unsafe cheeses, no parma ham, no smoked salmon (also a recent discovered fave)
Have had runny eggs and peanut butter.
Not normally much of a drinker but really want a raspberry daiquiri, a nice glass of rosé and a jaeger bomb!
DP has been great and not eaten faves in my presence drank the wine though

Still only 6 weeks until my ELCS with DS2 and DP has been warned to arrive back at the hospital after with THE pâté, some brie etc and been told there will be smoked salmon for brekkie and a nice steak dinner, and a good glads of wine. Thats gotta be the upside of being delivered just before xmas... Nicer things available in abundance

Tesco do pre-mix mocktails & daiquiri is one of 'em. V nice

I'm having smoked salmon, not loads though

I forgot about baking Camembert, I can see that happening sooooon

I had this stuff when pregnant as I LOVE pate. It is not the same but with butter on toasted bagels is quite moreish.

www.veggiestuff.com/acatalog/tartex_plain_yeast_pate.html

Yes, the problem with pate appears to be that it is processed meat. The contamination comes at the packaging stage (says wiki). So it's not just pate, but also things like frankfurters, cocktail sausages, any pre-prepared meat meal, smoked salmon, sliced meats (incl ham I presume?) that are bought on the fresh food counter (refrigerated) and then eaten uncooked.

So, for instance, putting smoked salmon into your scrambled eggs while they cook should be fine, as should any tinned pate you can find (our foie gras comes in little glass pots - this is fine).

I'm 28 weeks, I eat (lion marked) runny eggs (but I can't stand snotty white bits) and rare steak and dip the chips in the bloody bits. Yum.

Ohhh i am going to have to investigate that mocktail

TheSkiingGardener - alcohol has never been totally "banned" (nothing is really, we're all adults and it's still legal) although they did try to say at one point absolutely none, but I don't think it worked out.

Longtalljosie, that is odd! Lion was dropped in 1971 so it became advice here not to eat runny eggs but was revived in 1998 (I didn't realise it was that long ago!) and since then they're safe.

TwitchyTail, runny eggs are fine and alcohol is OK as long as you're not going silly with it.

DinosaursOnASpaceship, for fried eggs I find the best way to cook them so white is cooked and yolk is runny is to put about 1cm of oil in the pan, heat it until you can stick a fork in the egg (I break them into a glass first) and then in the pan and it cooks off immediately. Then pour it in, wait a few seconds and scoop it back out. It sounds like it should be really greasy but it's not in long enough to be.

Last year I won a case of wine from MumsNet, I told the midwife in the hospital that I was looking forward to being able to drink it. She said that there was nothing wrong with drinking it in pregnancy, but as it was (is!) nice wine and my tolerance of alcohol isn't the same I didn't want to waste it or have to put it in food. Normally I'll drink when I want to!

Twitchy, peanuts are fine. We're no longer told to avoid them.

Not bothering me, but then I don't ban any foods during pregnancy.

I too haven't stuck rigidly to guidelines, I do eat rare steak, pâté, and have the odd half a lager if I want to. I eat runny eggs as long as they are lion stamped, and salami/parma ham. The risk of listeria is very very small.

Wrt listeria, the NHS says to avoid eating pre-prepared sandwiches and cooked, sliced cold meats (ham surely?) as well as vegetable pates.

OTOH, the number of listeria cases is quite low. Most years, this is under 50 women. Obviously, pregnant women are more aware than they used to be. But I bet numbers consuming pate, smoked salmon and ham are pretty high! On top of that, I live in France where rate of listeriosis is the about the same as in UK yet French women scoff pate every day (at least, around where I live!). Puts it into perspective a bit.

No, the NHS says cold meats are fine:

Some countries advise pregnant women not to eat cold meats or smoked fish because of the risk that the food may contain listeria bacteria. In the UK, pregnant women are not advised to avoid these foods because the risk of infection is so low. However, if you?re concerned, you may choose to avoid them.

On salads it just advises you wash it.

Pate on hot buttered white toast or on fresh, warm crusty baguette - yum!

The NHS says where listeria is found, but then says the risk of contamination in the UK is low. I'm not sure why they have decided the risk is lower in pre-prepared sandwiches than pate.

Where is listeria found?

The listeria bacteria have been found in a range of chilled ?ready-to-eat? foods, including:

pre-packed sandwiches
pâté
butter
soft cheeses, such as Brie or Camembert or others with a similar rind
soft blue cheese
cooked sliced meats
smoked salmon

It advises that if you are concerned to avoid eating them.

I found this abstract where they tested a whole load of pate from different sources (supermarket and smaller outlets), pate sold in packaging and pate sold in slices. Evidence from this study shows that most of the pâté sold in England and Wales is not contaminated with L. monocytogenes, and we suggest that the main areas of concern are cross-contamination and the length of display of pâté sold from opened packs. Which more or less supports my inital thoughts, that deli pate is the main concern and tinned/packaged pates are almost certainly fine. Interesting that fish pates were worse than meat pates. I wouldn't have suspected that.

I've looked again and again for outbreaks of listeria caused by pate and can't find any. There are quite a few in the UK caused by contaminated sandwiches and a big outbreak (70 odd deaths) in the States caused by melons. I found one linked to cheese.

So why are the NHS picking on pate and smoked salmon when convenience sandwiches are actually poisoning people?