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Flu jab pros and cons, is it safe?

15 replies

mummyfirsttime · 15/02/2012 13:50

The midwife nurse and doctors have all advised me to have the flu jab but i am still so unsure. I dont know if it is safe, I have athsma therefore am high risk also but feel terrible for not getting the jab but also what if i do take it and something happens to my baby... i am only 10+5 should I have it now or wait a few weeks until second trimester? Please help!

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melliebobs · 15/02/2012 13:54

Get it done. It gives your baby immunity too. The risk of having flu and being pregnant far outweigh not having it and then picking it up later down the line

BlondeBluebird · 15/02/2012 13:59

Im 11wks 3days and am booked to have my flu jab tomorrow.I am a 35 first time mother and have decided to have it after taking advice from my midwife and doctor.My SIL who is 2 weeks ahead of me doesnt want to have it and thats her choice.

Good Luck.

MrsHoarder · 15/02/2012 14:04

I had it done at the first opportunity. If you do catch flu then there are risks to your baby and if things get really bad they will try to preserve your life even if that is at the expense of your baby's. The longer your are unvaccinated for the more likely you are to catch flu.

Preventative medicine is done for both of your benefits though, and only when the benefits clearly outweigh the risks. Also your baby will have some immunity to flu when born because of you having the vaccine.

user59457812 · 15/02/2012 14:07

In spite of a general belief that it's totally safe, there isn't actually much evidence either way. The flu jab for pregnant women is a relatively recent introduction, and a very small sample were used to establish the safety of the H1N1 (Swine Flu) strain before it was widely introduced in pregnancy.

I did a lot of research on the statistics before making a decision, and it's really all about a balance of risk - you have to make the decision yourself, rather than being pressured either way. Quite a small number of women and babies suffer complications from flu in pregnancy, but it does happen and there have been deaths. On the other hand, there is a vocal movement in the US to have the jab banned for pregnant women, with fears about safety based on some (apparently quite preliminary) studies. But again, there doesn't seem to be any convincing evidence it could do harm either.

In terms of the pregnant women I know, it's about 50/50 between the women who had it and those that didn't. Anecdotally, a few of those that had the jab got 'normal' flu afterwards. I don't know anyone that declined it that got it. That's just anecdotal though.

As you have asthma your risk of complications would presumably be higher so I understand why your GP etc. are being quite firm about you getting it. As I said, it has to be up to you though.

bumpology · 15/02/2012 14:20

My colleague at New Scientist looked into this issue during the swine flu outbreak, and concluded that the risks of getting flu during pregnancy far outweigh any (as yet unproven) dangers that might result from vaccination.

See: www.newscientist.com/article/dn17920-flu-in-pregnancy-leaves-a-mean-legacy.html

Also pasting the text below:

Pregnant women are at the front of the queue for swine flu vaccine as distribution starts this month in the US, UK and elsewhere. It is well known that their suppressed immunity puts them at greater risk; less widely recognised is the evidence that flu can harm their babies.

Caleb Finch of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles and his colleagues report that men who were in their mother's womb during the September peak of the 1918 flu pandemic have been 23 per cent more likely to have had heart attacks since they turned 60 than siblings who were either not yet conceived or already born. The risk has been 17 per cent greater for women.

And when men in this group enlisted in the second world war, they averaged 1.25 millimetres shorter than normal, suggesting the virus affected growth and development generally. With so many people at increased risk of heart disease, Finch calculates that even babies whose mothers had mild symptoms must have been affected.

Flu poses still more risks for the unborn. In April, it was reported that men who were in the womb in early 1970, when a mild flu pandemic hit Norway, had lower scores in army intelligence tests than normal. A 2006 study showed that babies in the womb in September 1918 went on to have lower incomes and education levels, and higher rates of disability. And babies whose mothers have ordinary flu in early pregnancy are 7 times as likely to develop schizophrenia.

Animal experiments, says Finch, suggest the culprit may be signalling chemicals called cytokines that are involved in inflammation.
Balance of risk

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says pregnant women in the US are 6 times as likely to die of the disease as other people. Yet such women and their doctors may avoid the swine flu vaccine out of caution about pharmaceuticals during pregnancy. This seems unjustified: the US has launched a safety trial of the vaccine in pregnant women, but similar flu vaccines have been safe.

"Mothers think they're protecting their baby by not getting the flu vaccine," says bioethicist Margaret Little of Georgetown University in Washington DC, who specialises in women's medicine. "In fact, the flu is a more dangerous risk than the vaccine."

Journal reference: Journal of Developmental Origins of Health and Disease, DOI: 10.1017/S2040174409990031

user59457812 · 15/02/2012 16:03

Bumpology interesting. Although most of this article doesn't address the administration of the jab at all, just correlations with outcomes for babies in the womb during flu outbreaks (it's not clear if their mothers contracted flu or not, or whether it was a general sample of women pregnant at that time). Our general health and diet has improved so much since 1918 I'm not really sure how relevant this finding would be to today?

As the article says, safety trials for the vaccination have been launched, but no conclusions yet. I'm not sure there's enough here to draw any conclusions on the jab - just general messages that getting the flu while pregnant isn't ideal...

Also not sure it's the same version of the vaccine used in the US as in the UK.

thefurryone · 15/02/2012 16:18

I had it in this pregnancy and I had it my last pregnancy with no ill effects. For me the risk of there being serious complications from getting the flu whilst pregnant is a proven one, and in my first pregnancy there were local instances of swine flu that resulted in death, and although they weren't pregnant women who died it did hammer home how serious the flu can be.

This is a link to a live webchat from winter 2010 which you might find useful.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/1108750-Live-webchat-about-the-swine-flu-vaccination-with-director-of-immunisation-Prof-David-Salisbury-Tues-21-Dec-noon-1pm

mummyfirsttime · 15/02/2012 17:51

Thank you for your thoughts everyone.

thefurryone - thank you for this link i read this earlier and although the questions answered are very interesting he did not answer the questions around is the vacinne safe for the unborn child and long term effects except the reference to guillain barre syndrome to which he did not discuss in very much detail.
im still on the fence i went to the nurse today to get the jab but could not go through with it i apologised for wasting her time. Im just not sure how im going to decide.

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surfmama · 15/02/2012 18:09

okay i am a hippy sort but run my own business so do have my feet on the ground and am not too tree huggy. i decided not to have the jab, i use homeopathy and will get a remedy if I get ill, has never failed me, it is a decision that is difficult, it just didn't feel right for me. I was concerned about the ingredients of the jab ie mercury in some types and also I will be in my 3rd tri in May/June when flu is at a minimum.

igggi · 15/02/2012 18:40

I agree that the risks of flu outweigh the risks of the jab, but of course you might not get flu - it's a hypothetical risk against a real one.
One of the many difficult choices pg women get to make - lucky us!
OP have you heard it's safer in 2nd trimester? You wouldn't have long to wait.

thefurryone · 15/02/2012 19:21

The flu vaccine I had did not contain mercury, I don't know if some do, it's worth making sure you get a brand that doesn't. Not trying to change your mind btw just pointing out to others who may be concerned by that statement Smile

thefurryone · 15/02/2012 19:31

Iggi that's so true and with these decisions it really comes down to individual approach to risk and gut instinct.

If this was my first pregnancy I may be less bothered as it doesn't seem to be a particularly bad flu season compared to last year and I think the flu season might actually be nearly over.

igggi · 15/02/2012 23:14

I was "lucky" as I got my GP to give me the jab last winter after a miscarriage - the effects of it will run out before this baby is due but I'm hoping from March onwards there won't be so much chance of flu! Confused

thing1andthing2 · 16/02/2012 10:40

I got the flu jab in November at 7 weeks pregnant. Just had my 20 week scan and have a normal healthy baby boy growing happily in there. I also didn't come down with a grim fluey cold in late November that both DH and DD suffered from for 2 weeks Smile.
I guess it was easier for me to decide, this being my 2nd pregnancy. Because being floored by flu for 2 weeks and having to look after 2 year old DD would be no fun, so I really got the jab in the interests of still being able to look after her through the winter.

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