Hyperemesis Support

[LucindaE]

A new thread needed here already! Lovely Grumblin who started the second one, may be actually having that baby at this minute!

I hope this will be a source of support for present sufferers and ex sufferers alike and also worried family members.

I want particularly to mention my favourite feline FluffyWhiteKittens, who has been so invaluable a source of support on the old threads, and MOH, who has slaved to produce articles full of useful information and links to useful websites, LaTrucha, lovely CaramelloKoalaLover, Grumblin, NitNat, La, Lottie, Grandmagain, MaryLou, Cocoanuts and so many that I cannot name everyone for fear that the current sufferer may became annoyed at the long list...

Never worry about tmi or moaning. When suffering one has to discuss things that would make most people go weak at the knees and to have a good moan can help enormously with an illness where there is still a lot of ignorance and sometimes insensitive treatment.

It might help to remember - when you are at your worst - the words in that Eastern story.
'This Too Shall Pass.'

LucindaE
xx

cocoanut yes it is the Hampton side now, very easy to get to, you can see it from the road when you come to the massive Tesco's etc

minnie I suggest going to a&e - you can say you keep getting tested for ketones but you cant stop being sick, its exhausting, you need something to make you stop as you cant cope. its horrible yr GP wont do anything, a lot it seems are too scared to prescribe anything to pregnant women.

MOH I am hoping someone invents a teleportation device to get the baby out my belly without ruining my vagina....can you please invent that first?

Mother i wouldnt worry to be honest.....i thought I would feel baby move less cos been taking co-codamal and I swear it kicks more than ever. just one of those babies! I didnt feel it properly for ages, I know its my first but the position it was in meant I didnt really feel it, found out it was in the same position as my friends 2nd one and she felt it move far less than her first but ut it down to the position

yet again I had 2 sausage rolls from Greggs for a late (2nd) breakfast. they are seriously amazing. sorry for making people gag!

MOP Try not to worry re cyclizine. Proven to be perfectly safe for unborn babies! I'm on my 4th pregnancy and although felt the movement a bit earlier than 1st one with the 3 after I didn't feel consistent movements until 22/23 weeks. Especially if I was busy and my mind not on baby movements. I was so worried one day that I went to ante natal day unit at local hospital where they put me on a CTG monitor for 30 mins and the baby moved around continuosly and made me look like such a fool!!!

theonly I had a friend who had to have a planned C section and her partner asked (seriously) if they could perform it via keyhole surgery like they do removing gall bladders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

M1nn1E don't know what to say except that it all sounds horrendous. I just 2nd what everyone else has said. I think its negligent that you are feeling so unwell and not being treated adequately. Hope you get some help soon.

Hi all I've been taking cyclizine for about 6 weeks now (I'm 17+1) and felt baby kicking today :) I've been assured it's totally safe.

I am shocked M1nn1e that you're doctor won't give you anything, I don't know how I'd cope without the meds. I really think you should persevere - can you see a different GP? I'm so sorry for you, cyclizine is helping me loads but I was throwing up 20-30 times a day, vomiting blood and spent two nights in hospital o a drip and even on the days I just felt nauseous ( with no vomiting) i was so miserable. After my hosp stay thanks to the medication I'm so much better and I'm actually enjoying my pregnancy now. I really hope you get the help you need soon - hang on in there xx

MOP another cyclizine veteran here. Don't know if it affected movements but now at 36 weeks this baby is way more active than DS was. She is never still!
Caronline welcome and eek! 20-30 times per day - surely that is a record for this thread. So glad you got treatment and are managing to enjoy yourself.
Minnie as others, can't believe GP won't prescribe. Why does your GP feel you need to suffer like this when
a) there are safe drugs out there, not all of which are £££
b) you have 2 lo's to look after
c) your support network is limited due to everyone working
d) you have other stress going on in your life - ie worrying about your mum no doubt
e) your husband is going to be working away
f) you're growing an effing baby ffs!
Please go back, get and at him or see someone else. Have you contacted pregnancy sickness support?

Diddy glad you're feeling better and managing to cut down tablets.

Hi to everyone else. Sorry all the talk of food is making you feel worse Elliot's Mummy I shall shut up about pies now!

hello mums and mums to be.im a 1st timer with a 4.5 mth DD. I was on the old thread last year. Had HG for the 1st 4 months of my pg.what a body shock! It was this time ladt year and to be honest im still kind of traumatised by the extremity of this condition! Certian smells now bother me&suddenly take me back 2that terrible time.it comletely took over my body and mind and no medication helped.
But im here to say it will pass yes,but what helps most is if other non pg people could try and sympathise and provide emotional support. Spread the awareness.
Big hugs..hold on..i really feel for you all.
hey!theres gonna be a beautiful little gem(s?) at the end of all this.xx

Thanks all for the reassuring words about cyclizine. Good point theonly about the position of the baby making a difference to feeling the movements, I'd not thought of that. I reckon Grumblin has had her baby by now and is free at last!

I need a bit of advice......as most of you know I'm 10 weeks now and HG kicked in around 6 weeks, and I was hospitalised at 7.5 weeks. At 9 weeks I attempted to not take my ondandetron (cyclizine didnt work for me) for 12 hours and ended up really sick again, so for the past 7 days I've took it religiously every 12 hours (8mg). Since yesterday I havent been half as ill, I've managed to get up, dressed, eat small quantities of breakfast lunch and dinner, I still feel queasy, but I'm surprised at how well I'm feeling and even left the house to visit my mother! Have other people had such good days early on in their pregnancy? I'm only worried as I had a miscarriage at 6 weeks in feburary, and a reduction in my pregnancy symtoms worry me.....I dont want to stop taking my ondansetron to see what will happen in case I end up really sick again as I'm still 5lb less than my pre pregnancy weight! Does there seem to be a pattern of really good days and then bad days....earler in the week I couldnt even get out of bed! :(

Angel - DEfinitely a pattern for me. I'd find I'd take my pills religiously, to a routine and after two or three days I'd feel ok enough to do something so on that day I'd push myself to clean the house, or do some shopping and I'd actually eat and drink bits and bobs. But then the next day and the day after it hit me that I'd done too much and I was really bad again, so two or three days or religious tablet taking - cue the viscious circle.

It is hard not to push yourself to do things on the good days as you feel well enough to do things but it has a knock on effect.

I also have had mcs so I would symptom spot like crazy. When I got to about 12-14 weeks I'd have more good days than bad and the rest days became shorter, then I'd go even more crazy - so I bought a doppler

Hi Angel I used to have bad days and good days too. I felt ok christmas day - managed to eat a bit of christmas dinner and then spent boxing day - new years eve feeling really grotty and throwing up! I found once I got to about 14 weeks I got more good days than bad. I would agree with coconuts - when I felt a bit of improvement I'd try and catch up on everything but would then subsequently suffer. Even now - If i've had busy days the nausea comes back with avengence! I'm now 38 weeks.

Just back from lightening visit to Liverpool - M1NN So sorry that the GP's are being obdurate and unfeeling - poor you, that is a dramatic weight loss, seeing that, surely they will have to take notice soon? As others say, can someone go with you to argue your corner? It is awful you have had three d pregnancies with untreated Hyperemesis. Not sure if you found jelly/ice lollies etc of any use?
Caro Welcome, you must have suffered horribly 20/30 times a day, and I am so glad you have had effective medication.
Valentine I remember you well, and welcome to the 'pink castle'. Thank you so much for supportive message, all so true...
Angel I think everyone is bizarrely worried when the sickness eases, particularly if they've had a m/mc before, almost invariably everything's OK... Sufferers do seem to start getting better by having good days, some earlier than others, and then the good days start increasing...
NitNat Lottie waves. I hope Grumblin will be on soon with good news for us. Pearl Diddy'sGirl ElliotsMum how are things today? I wonder how Alias is?
LucindaE
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Valentine Sorry, I forgot to congratulate you on your prize![girn]

LucindaE
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Hi Valentine glad you're out the other side and enjoying your DD! You're right about the traumatic aspect. I dug out my nice mamas and papas (only thing I ever bought from there!) maternity tracksuit the other day but putting it on makes me feel slightly queasy as I wore it in my last pregnancy. Shame as it's really comfy! I also remember chucking out a dress that would make me feel sick evey time I looked at it, even after the birth.
This time it's opening my pyjama drawer to get fresh PJ's that can still send me to the toilet!

Lucinda ooh what were you doing in Lpool? I live just north of there, nr Southport. Let me know if you're ever there again and I will ply you with

Thanks everyone, I'm feeling a little re-assured, I'm not nausea free, it just seems to have now confined itself to after 6pm....I did actually throw up twice last night, unfortunately once was in asda! It just seems alot less, and I've lost my tender boobs! although I have read that thats quite normal, especially around the 10 wk mark!
nitnat I only have to look at my fridge and I'm breathing deeply trying not to throw up........my new aversion this week is to colgate whitening toothpaste, I've had to go out and buy a different one!
coconuts I think I might get a doppler after my 12 week scan, its only 2 weeks away.......I was going to ring them tomorrow and see if I could have a re-assurance scan, but I'll see how I go this week?
Lottie I've just done exactly what you described, actually I think I've done it a few times and not learning from it.....DP has just been cutting the grass and I thought I'd just trim the edges and brush up......within 10 mins I felt like puking!
Thanks Lucinda you always make me feel better with your re-assurance, I think I am just having longer spells in-between the sickness, and I have been sleeping better this week, so I think that has helped!
valentine its always nice to hear from a graduate on the other side of the Rainbow!
M1NN how are you? big hugs and hope you get sorted with the right medication soon.
caronline welcome.....20-30 times, oh I feel for you, 4 days before I was admitted, I counted around 20 vomits in 1 day, it was horrific!
grumblin good news??
take care everone xx

Angel - my boob soreness changed day to day. At your stage I remember them being quite comfortable although now is another story See how you go, try not to drive yourself mad by symptom spotting. You are at that awkward stage where normal symptoms deplete and you actually wouldn't be able to know you were pregnant if you didn't have HG! Be grateful for a couple of good days and take it one day at a time.

On the doppler front, I have the angelsounds one and I think theonlyhb got the same one from my recommendation :) (correct me if I'm wrong HB) Alot of people will try to put you off getting one on the basis it can make you more paranoid if you struggle to detect the heartbeat, but honestly I have never once not been able to find it. In fact it was easier earlier on as baby didn't move as much. Now I end up chasing him around all over If you feel you would benefit from it then go for it :) Make sure you get some gel though, it won't work without it. I think KY jelly has the same affect as ultrasound gel.

coconuts how early can you hear with the doppler? I've just been having a quick look on amazon, and they arent expensive at all.....I'll defo get one! and I think it will make me worry less, I've been terrible every time a symtom changes! I didnt feel pregnant at all yesterday morning, but I must admit I do feel more pregnant today than yesterday......I'm a nightmare for over analysing things! I think I've had alot less of the pulling sensations as well, which i had loads of early on....it was like I could feel baby growing! thanks for the advice :)

My stretching and pulling went off at about 10-12 weeks too then came back about 16-18. Now 26 an everything aches

They say you can use them from 12 weeks but have heard of people picking up a hb from as early as ten, I was 14 when I got mine. So anytime soon really. But remember if you don't pick anything up, don't panic. So small at this stage they can be hiding in any number of corners

FWIW, I got a second hand one from ebay for only £12 inc postage, worth looking on there if you doin't mind second hand?

i did get same one as coconuts. Ironically, have used 2/3 times and Thats it! But friends have borrowed too and will prob give to best friend soon so not a bad investment for 20 quid.

Heartburn is ruining my life at the moment. I been paddling in a bath of cold water and my feet still so hot.

angel I understand your concern, my sister had miscarriages and said that she always knew because she felt absolutley fine all of a sudden, even before the bleeding started. Your description of good days and bad days sounds like totally classic HG though. The trouble is that ondansetron is such a bloody brilliant medication (if it works for you which it obviously is) that it can transform your life really quickly as soon as you start taking it. I had the same thing I thought that some sort of miracle had happened after a week on ondansetron and you sort of imagine that this can't possibly be just because of some pills. I still felt enough nausea in the background and at odd times to not worry about mc -and it sounds like you're still having some nausea and sickness too. If you weren't pregnant you wouldn't have any nausea at all. This is such a bloody ba*@!rd condition that you crave relief from the sickness then when you get it you worry!!!

NitNatI don't often get to Liverpool, SIL has sadly just moved, but the next time, that would be lovely...
Angel Throwing up in ASDA? How horrible, I hope you got to loo or was it one of those Public Puking Performances? At least that should reassure you about pregnancy symptoms...
Grumblin silent - has that baby finally come?
Dopplers sound fascinating and so good for reassurance.
Everyone A muggy day here, enervating. I hope everyone is managing. Cyber hugs to all.
LucindaE
xx

I've just found out I'm 5 weeks pregnant, I have 3 other children the youngest is only 15 weeks old, the sickness was far worse last time than before, even tho with both the first and 2 nd pregnancys involved weight loss and hospital stays to be put on a drip last time even standing up was hard work! It was like constant sea sickness, I'm worries how I will cope if it's as bad this time with such a young baby to look after,, there are 8 years between each of the other 3 which made things easier!

Hi Kara sorry you have to join us. Did you have medication in your previous pregnancies? Did your GP take you seriously and treat your sickness? If not, you should go to them and ask, or if need be demand, a referral to an obstetrician. If your GP is willing to treat you, you should ask if they are experienced and willing to try a full range of medication. If you get a response along the lines of lets just wait and see how it goes when you have already had 3 HG pregnancies, then you are probably on a hiding to nothing and you should get referred and see an OB as soon as you can. The important thing is to have a treatment plan sorted out as soon as possible. Can you organise support from family and friends to help with the baby? I think you have to plan in advance as though you are going to get HG then if by luck you don't get it, you can count yourself lucky and enjoy the pregnancy - it's easier to cancel help than to organise it when you feel sick.

I've never had any medication, with the 1st 17 years ago they said they didn't like to prescribe anything, the 2 nd time wasn't as bad and family were able to help with my 1st who was 8, the last pregnancy the doctor was extremely unhelpful, I didn't go for my fist appointment till quite late, 9 weeks as I'd had a mc two months before he said there's nothing we can give you, by that point I'd lost a stone and just wanted to be put on a drip! He wouldn't even check my urine for keytones, I was 13 weeks by the time I saw the mw who also wasn't very helpful, I think I need to be more pushy but by that point just didn't have the energy... My eldest son is 16 and doesn't start college till sept so if things get bad he will beable to help with taking his brother to school and such, don't think people really understand unless they've been there, They think your being mardy, luckily my partner us really good, he did all the cooking and made me whatever I fanced even tho we both knew it wouldn't stay down for long

Thanks MOH I freaked out a little today when I woke up and realised I felt really well, I stopped taking my ondansetron yesterday to see what would happen.......anyway to cut a long story short, I'm getting a scan tomorrow morning to put my mind at rest. I have just had a spell of 1 hour moderate nausea at tea time......and I felt so happy to feel sick! fingers crossed all is ok.....even my breast tenderness seems to have come back a little...although thats probably off my constant poking to see if they hurt!

Kara big hugs, and welcome! Hopefully your GP will take more notice if you request a referral to obstetrics, failing that I would just go to A&E if it gets too bad, they will have to test your urine for ketones! good luck xx

Hello all,
Welcome to Kara - gosh, your situation sounds potentially really tough, but as MOH says, the sooner you get sorted with the right meds, and also hopefully get some help lined up, the better. Good luck! And I agree with Angel about A&E being the most helpful route to proper diagnosis and prescription - A&E referred me straight to the hospital's Early Pregnancy Unit at 7 weeks and they were great at getting me treated.
Thanks for asking after me Lucinda, am not doing too badly. Just one late afternoon puke today with a couple of hours of nausea, so can't complain I guess! The heat is making me feel a bit worse overall though, and I love the word 'enervating' that you used - describes its effects perfectly.
Hope everyone else doing OK. I keep looking out for news of Grumblin's baby, hope we here good news soon :)