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Independent midwifes

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Nanny01 · 06/05/2011 11:27

Hi
I was wondering if any of you ladies is using an independent midwife. I have a lovely nhs one but when it comes down to it it was luck that meant I saw her with my last child. Also I really get stressed with hospitals and sometimes it isn't convenient to go to a doctors and I wish I could have it at my house. I really want reassurance of regular antenatal visits which I didn't get any of last time. So would liekto know how much it cost and what other peoples experience is. Thanks

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Xiaoxiong · 06/05/2011 12:03

I have the same question!

edwinbear · 06/05/2011 12:54

I have just hired one after a horrible birth with DS. The hospital I was at was simply too busy and I was left for hours and hours on end. It was a 30 hr labour and at one point, I was checked just once in 12 hrs. It culminated in me being left alone with DH to push for 20 mins. The whole thing was so traumatic that DH is refusing to come to this birth so we have hired an independent midwife to be my birth partner. We intend having another hospital birth so she won't be able to actually deliver the baby, but the intention is that she won't allow the hospital midwives to do such a dreadful job this time. Although we've hired her primarily for the birth support, she will also do all my ante natal appointments at our home, (which will last between 1-2hrs) and is also a qualified hyno birthing practioner so she will coach me in that too. Postnatally, she will visit us every day the first week, then she will visit us regularly until 4 weeks post birth. We're paying her £3,200.

Xiaoxiong · 06/05/2011 14:21

edwinbear - that's really interesting - how does your independent midwife interact with the NHS midwives, and with the hospital? Do you have to do everything in parallel, or does she sort of sit between you and the NHS so you don't have to contact the NHS midwives?

BreastmilkDoesAFabLatte · 06/05/2011 15:41

I've had an independent midwife both this pregnancy and last. Last time I booked her at 19 weeks because I was refused an NHS homebirth and was coming to realise that I needed more support than the NHS could provide... this time I booked with one right from the start. So there's no need for any NHS involvement at all... however, women booked with independent midwives retain the same entitlement to full NHS services (community midwife/consultant care, scans, any medical investigations, medication, hospital delivery if chosen/needed etc), within the normal constraints of what is available for any given postcode.

Each time it has cost around £3,000 (but prices in my area vary from around £2500 to £4000, so it's worth asking around if your budget is tight). Each I've paid privately for scans but stayed with the NHS for medical care and investigations from non-obstetric consultants. Most of the way through I've found NHS staff very willing to work alongside independent midwives, and indeed appreciated the way in which independent midwives had more time to give us than them. (The only exception was one health visitor afterwards who somehow decided we might be using non NHS services as a way to cover up evil doings... but she was very much an exception, and one which coincided with the unfortunate sagas of Baby P.) So whereas the systems have coordinated well for me, I've sometimes needed to have been quite proactive and confident in getting the different people involved to communicate.

So if you still wanted to book with the hospital, you could choose either to take an independent midwife with you to consultant appointments, or ask her to try and liaise on your behalf. Whether the latter were possible would still depend on whether the consultant would allow it, but you lose nothing by asking.

But really, whatever you decide about your birth and however your pregnancy progress, I'd say having an independent midwife is definately and comletely worth it.

awpo · 06/05/2011 16:53

I have an indepdendent midwife that I booked at the start of my pregnancy. It's my first so I can't make any comparisons with NHS provisions. I can say that I feel I have been incredibly well looked after and got to know my midwife really well. I am planning a home birth & think the fact that I have a really good relationship with my midwife will make me feel much more comfortable / relaxed. Should the need to transfer to hospital arise she will accompany me but as others have said she cannot deliver the baby there. I think having her there will be a great help though as she can offer advise & support - and at least I will always have a midwife with me. I have been closely monitored and my antenatal appts take approx 2+ hours although quite a lot of that is chatting and getting to know each other. Cost £3K. Worth every penny IMO. HTH.

mrsravelstein · 06/05/2011 16:59

i had independents for all 3dc. cost about 2k first time but that was 10 years ago. the ones i used for ds2 and dd i think were about £2500 but there does seem to be quite a bit of variation. there is a lady near me who is much cheaper, about 1500 quid, but apparently she takes on a lot of women each month and therefore frequently misses some of their births. mine only took only 2 women per month.

bemybebe · 06/05/2011 17:02

I have an independent midwife and cannot praise her enough. I am also in the NHS system for scans as my first scan was at 12 weeks before I booked indMW and was very happy with how my sonographer worked.

I was made feel really nervous about NHS as having had bad experiences before (non-birth related) I was told to 'be patient' with everything this pregnancy related as I am due in Sept and this is apparently a very busy month (X-mas parties, snow, blah-blah-blah last year in the UK) and they expect additional staff shortages on top of recent health cuts on top of general dismissal of needs of pregnant women.

I am not set on homebirth, but being at 20 weeks only it may change, in which case my MW will be coming with me to the hospital to make sure my wishes are taken seriously. My dh will be my birth partner.

BreastmilkDoesAFabLatte · 06/05/2011 17:28

Even though I did transfer to hospital during labour, I still found having the independent midwife with me utterly invaluable... there was really no way that the hospital midwives would have been able to spare the time to sit with me and calm me down in the way that she did.

I get the impression that, whereas the official protocols don't allow independent midwives to do actual hospital deliveries, they will tacitly allow them to do more than an unqualified birth partner and to quietly help out before and after. I got the impression that had mine not been there I'd have been having a lot more invasive postnatal montioring. On a similar vein, a friend who's mother is a retired midwife was allowed by the hospital to have her do several vaginal examinations. Not that I would ever want my mum to do that, as much as I love her...

bemybebe · 06/05/2011 17:34

I thought 'allowing' VE was done by the patient, not the hospital.

BreastmilkDoesAFabLatte · 06/05/2011 17:43

Definately, and that was badly phrased of me. What I meant was that the hospital midwives asked to do the VEs and my friend asked for them to be done by her mum rather than the midwives there, and the midwives agreed.

bemybebe · 06/05/2011 18:04

I see. In this case I would rather have my mum doing it (if she was a professional of course). At least you know she would do it carefully. I thought 'the mum' asked and the hospital said 'ok' Hmm oops...

edwinbear · 06/05/2011 21:38

Tyelperion - the way it will work with the NHS is that I will have my booking in appointment with them as normal, but will tell them I have an independent midwife so won't have any further NHS midwife appointments. I will have my normal 12 week and 20 week scans on the NHS and will also have my bloods done by the NHS. If there are any problems and I need to be referred to anyone, she can refer into the NHS or to private, as I prefer. I asked how she finds the hospital midwives react to women who 'bring their own' midwives and she said she has never had anything other than a positive reaction - they are often quite relieved as it does take the pressure off them somewhat!

Xiaoxiong · 07/05/2011 14:38

Thanks edwinbear and thanks everyone for sharing their experiences. I thought there might be a couple of responses saying "waste of money, didn't do anything" but everyone seems to have had an overwhelmingly positive experience with the support offered by an independent midwife.

I've got my booking in appointment on Tuesday and first scan May 20th at the birth centre. I am also due in late Nov/Dec and if at either appointment there are any gloomy statements about staff shortages due to christmas parties and snow and "being patient" like they did to bemybebe I think I will investigate an independent midwife.

jasmine51 · 07/05/2011 14:51

Would totally advocate it if you can afford it. I am 35 wks and cant have a hb but am still toying with the idea of booking one to be my birth partner. Have met a few but there is one who is so lovely and makes so much sense that I know she would be ideal for keeping me calm and also making sure the NHS give me what I need.

Nanny01 · 07/05/2011 18:06

Have had a chat with a lovely independent last night dh wants to go over how much it would be monthly but I am keeping my fingers crossed.

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