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Reducing Stillbirth: Count the Kicks Campaign

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CarGirl · 14/04/2011 19:50

I just want to promote "Count The Kicks"

Please read this, if it helps one Mum not suffer the agony of stillbirth it's worth it

countthekicks.org.uk/

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RandomMess · 08/12/2011 20:24

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marthamay · 09/12/2011 13:32

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TopazMortmain · 03/02/2012 05:56

Bumpety Bump!

Northernlurker · 12/02/2012 22:27

Time for another bump Grin

JoJessMar · 20/02/2012 20:52

Just wanted to highlight this thread.
Like others I didn't realise the significance of counting kicks until it was too late. I had an antenatal check on the day my son died and nothing abnormal was found. Monitoring movement is THE best test of baby's wellbeing and no-one else can do it for you.

joymaker · 20/02/2012 21:53

Jo so sorry for your loss.

Can anyone tell me when I should start monitoring movement. I am only 18 wks at present and starting to feel a fair amount of fluttering.

Also, it might be a strange question but can an increased movement also be a warning sign?

Thanks

igggi · 20/02/2012 22:22

Reading earlier posts on this thread is freaking me out as I have been counting all the movements I feel as "kicks" - which seems to be what the CTK website says - yet there are posters here saying nothing counts except an actual kick. Feel more confused than before Confused

joymaker · 21/02/2012 09:59

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JoJessMar · 21/02/2012 21:59

I wouldn't worry about 'kicks' versus 'movement' too much, though I understand the reason it's been mentioned -in the last few weeks it's a bit of a squeeze in there and so the kind of movements can change a bit. However there should still be lots of activity. An earlier message rightly said that when all movement has ceased the baby still moves around because of the fluid and your movements - if you haven't been monitoring much this can lead you to think things are OK. However there should be definite and regular movements or kicks all the way to the full term.
18 weeks is far too early to worry - I can't remember when movements become regular, and others may be able to offer some advice here, but I would say you won't be able to monitor much until over 24 weeks. For me, and I would imagine many others, the growth restrictions start to show after 30 weeks, ultimately leading to reduced movements.
Always make the call to the labour ward if in doubt - I left it too late. They do advise you to drink icy water and sit and monitor for an hour to see if this 'wakes' the baby and gets him moving, and you may want to do this if you've been busy and you're not sure, but if you think there's something wrong don't delay, trust your instinct.
I've never heard of increased movements being a concern and can't imagine why it would be - active sounds healthy!

igggi · 22/02/2012 23:19

That's good to hear, I think I can definitely tell that movements are deliberate, though not necessarily kicks. Thanks.

caramelwaffle · 20/03/2012 21:01

Bump.

FoofFighter · 21/03/2012 08:31

Well how disappointing that MNHQ still haven't acted on this by putting a link (DV stylee) up on the Pregnancy board.

reporting the thread to get their attention

caramelwaffle · 21/03/2012 13:47

Yes Foo

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iCANdothisiCAN · 21/03/2012 14:26

"count the kicks" saved my baby's life

I had never heard of it and all I was ever asked at routine MW appointments was "is baby moving?"

The only thing I would say is TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS. If you think something isn't right don't be fobbed off.

I was admitted several times for reduced movement. Every time I was put on a monitor for 20 minutes. Each time it showed baby to be fine so I was sent home.

When I was admitted at 38 weeks, baby was still transverse, measuring small and the trace showed his base line to be 110bpm with several decelerations. The monitors were still removed after 30 minutes and I was kept in overnight but not checked once until the morning despite having pains and feeling very much that something was wrong.

I was put on a monitor again in the morning for 20 minutes which showed the heart rate and movements had improved so after a quick scan to check growth I was sent home. The reduced heart beat and movement was put down to cord compression.

At 41+1 I had been contracting regularly albeit managably for 12 hours before I realised that I had not felt any movement for a long time. I was told to come in to be monitored again.

By the time I got to the hospital the contractions had stopped and there was still no movement. The trace showe a baseline of 100bpm. Only because I had such a history of reduced movement and was booked for induction 2 days later did they agree to admit me and induce labour.

I waited from lunchtime until 7pm to be transferred to the labour ward for my waters to be broken, my contractions had started up again by 3pm and were getting much stronger but still intermittent. I had been 3cm dilated since a sweep 2 days before.

As the MW broke my waters I went from 3cm to 8cm as she examined me. I was strapped to a monitor which showed his base line was still only 90-100bpm. From then on everything went wrong. The labour instantly went from managable to terrifying and completely out of controll. Baby was head down but still not engaged properly and op.

Within 3 hours, after me screaming for help saying something was really wrong and watching the heartbeat become untracable during the pretty much constant contractions, I was in stirrups being cut and having a baby with no heartbeat ripped out with kiwi suction cap.

The cord was around his neck, tightly. The doctor who deliverd him said it loked like it had been that way for some time and was almost certainly the cause of the reduced movement. He was blue and floppy with an apgar of 1.

I am so lucky that despite all this he responded well to the resus and has suffererd no long term effects. He really is my littel miracle. Unfortunatley I have 3 close friends who weren't so lucky. 1 has CP, one has severe developmental delay and SN, and one was tragically stillborn.

DO NOT allow your concerns to be diminsished, don't let yourself be made to feel like you are wasting anyone's time. Your concerns are always always valid. Even if it turns out nothing is wrong you HAVE NOT over reacted. Never be afraid to insist on better care and never let anyone convince you it is unreasonable.

I will always be grateful to Count the kicks and will never tire of helping to get their message across. If there is anything at all I can do please let me know, I would love to help.

RowanMumsnet · 21/03/2012 18:22

Hello there,

Thanks for drawing this one to our attention, and so sorry that we dropped the ball. We will talk to the relevant people at MNHQ to see what we can do, and come back to let you know ASAP.

Thanks

FoofFighter · 21/03/2012 19:10

Cheers Rowan

caramelwaffle · 22/03/2012 21:46

Thank you.

FoofFighter · 24/03/2012 14:46

Another bump, also if anyone wishes to let MNHQ know their feelings about a link at the top of the Ante-natal Clubs/Pregnancy/Childbirth boards please click report and they'll see it.

Really feel it's an important message to get out there.

stripeyZ · 25/03/2012 23:23

Bump.

HelenMumsnet · 26/03/2012 13:21

Hello. Just posting here to let you know we're not ignoring you! We're actually doing quite a lot of work behind the scenes on this, and we're in touch with Count The Kicks about the best course of action.

We fully support the work of Count The Kicks; the question is really how best we can alert pregnant Mumsnetters towards the need to monitor their baby's kicks in mid to late pregnancy.

We have a bit of a problem with putting that info in a "note" at the top of Pregnancy threads because that is a space really reserved for MN tidy-office kind of stuff (eg "please don't post your survey here; this topic is for Mumsnet surveys only" or "please remember that Mumsnet hasn't checked the legal qualifications of people posting in this topic"). And putting links to other organisations in the "note" would set a bit of a precedent for us.

Also, as Pregnancy is a topic for people in any stage of pregnancy, we don't want to run the risk of unnecessarily worrying those in the early stages of pregnancy that they should checking for movements all the time.

So it all needs a bit of thinking through - which is why we're probably looking a bit slow.

Whatever happens, we will sort something out - and we'll definitely make sure our Pregnancy content include some Count the Kicks info, that we can link to in our 'Pregnancy: useful Mumsnet stuff' column that runs down the right-hand side of all Pregnancy Talk pages.

Thanks for bearing with us on this.

FoofFighter · 26/03/2012 17:07

Thank you Helen.

caramelwaffle · 26/03/2012 22:40

Thank you.

FoofFighter · 28/03/2012 08:03

baby bump!

ddsmummytobe · 02/04/2012 19:13

Can somebody tell me, is 22+2 too early to be concerned by a reduce in movement? From about 19 to 22 I've had absolutely loads of solid kicks every day; I've never had 'flutters' or anything like that - they've always been really like 'pokes', and really quite clear and often.

Anyway, today and yesterday I've noticed a considerable decline. I can still feel some movement on occasion, but not as often and not as 'defined' - feel more like flutters than the normal clear as day pokes.

Should I worry?!

DialMforMummy · 02/04/2012 19:54

Maybe your baby changed position that could be why you feel different movements. As long as you feel movements, I am inclined to think that it's probably ok.
Maybe you could have a check up with your MW to be reassured?

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