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Miscarriage? Ectopic?

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hereagain123 · 11/07/2010 21:36

Hello, not posted here before but have so much going on would appreciate any information other Mumsnetters have.

I have a four year old daughter, have been trying to conceive for two years during which time I have had three early miscarriages

My last period was six weeks ago. Ten days ago I got a very strong positive pregnancy test result. After three miscarriages in which the line was never that convincing I felt really good about this one. On Thursday morning I woke with strong pains in my stomach slightly towards the left, which lasted the whole day while I sat in hospital, was scanned, blood tested etc. It felt like my last miscarriage and I knew then it was.

The pain lasted 20 hours then disappeared completely. I have had a TINY bit of brown spotting since then. HCG levels were 1400 on Thursday, 1300 on Saturday confirming that the pregnancy is not viable. But it doesn't rule out ecoptic either so going back tomorrow to see what the hormones are doing. The scan on Thursday showed a tiny smudge in the uterus which could have been the pregnancy, but also could have been some bleeding from an ectopic pregnancy.

They also discovered five new clear cysts (3-5cm diameter) that hadn't been there four weeks previously, in addition to one solid mass which I was already on a four month waiting list for. They did a CA125 test for Ovarian cancer which showed it was raised ( the interweb tells me 35 is normal, mine was 59, malignant = 65) but they seem remarkably unconcerned about this due to the fact that this test is often raised in early pregnancy, as are multiple cysts. The doctors who scanned me all thought I had had hormone treatment - looks like hyperstimulation. The cysts could also be the source of the pain, even though they are on the right and pain on left, apparently it can refer.

So loads going on and don't expect anyone to say "I had exactly that" but if anyone can offer any thoughts on:

A, recurrent early miscarriage that starts with pain and takes ages to actually bleed. Especially anyone who has had multiple miscarriages after having a child already (she took just two months two conceive).

B, ectopic pregnancy that starts with pain that then completely disappears and is accompanied by only the tiniest brown spotting

C, The CA125 test or the weird thing of suddenly having a load of cysts.

D, how to deal with the disappointment.

I don?t ask much! Thanks so much

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clareanna · 12/07/2010 16:32

hi hereagain I'm afraid I can't help with your queries, but didn't want to you to go unanswered - it sounds like you have an awful lot going on at the moment.

I had a missed miscarriage, so no pain that I can remember, just bad news at the 12 weeks scan despite lots of strong pg symptoms.

best of luck for the future x

serendipity16 · 12/07/2010 17:22

Hi hereagain.

I'm really sorry to hear what you're going through.

I can't answer all your questions but can tell you a little about my history.

I had my last baby in 2006 via c-section, this was my 3rd c-section. I still wanted another baby so started trying again shortly after i'd given birth.

I tried for just over a year which was quite unusual for me but i thought that maybe its just one of those things.

I finally got my BFP in Oct 2007, about a week or so later i'd had my HCG levels done & they were very low. GP told me i was going to miscarry & to go home..... went home & did indeed start bleeding. That loss was very very painful with very very heavy bleeding.

December 2007 i got a suprise BFP.... unfortunately my pregnancy tests started getting lighter & i started bleeding at around 5+5. A scan about a week later showed nothing left in the womb.

I spent 2008 under a consultants care, having blood tests, sperm tests & HSG done. Everything came back normal.

April 2009 got a BFP, went straight in for an early scan at 5+2, scan showed a 'possible' tiny something in the womb but by then i'd already started bleeding. Scan 2 days later showed nothing.

September 2009 got a BFP same thing happened all over again.

Consultant was confused & as frustrated as i was that we weren't seeing anything in the womb.

December 2009 got a BFP again. This time things were different. He saw what he called an 'impressive mass' in the womb, i again was already bleeding. The heavy bleeding continued for a week until they decided i needed a d&c. I was complaining of left sided pain but they never saw the tube or ovary. I always get left sided pain from my ovary so i don't think they took me seriously. Just over a week after my d&c .... they basically discovered it was ectopic.... only because i was still bleeding and in agony & insisted on a scan & my hcg levels checked again.
Emergency surgery over christmas for the removal of my left tube.

A few weeks later i saw my consultant & a top doctor at the hospital do discuss my ectopic & the hospital very poor treatment of me.
My consultant said that during the surgery they had seen lots of scar tissue & my left tube had been stuck to my bowels. He said he thought that ALL my losses had been ectopic & that the other 4 had just aborted themselves from the tube before forming into a full ectopic. To some extent i thought it was true as the pain esp with my first loss, i did wonder if it'd been stuck in the tube. However i was doubtful that they'd all been ectopic.

April 2010 - BFP.... massive shock as i don't O from my right side. I guess that my consultant was right because i'm currently 14 weeks.... this is the first pregnancy since my son in 2006 that got past 6 weeks.

So to finally answer about the ectopic, my ectopic they say was unusual as my hcg levels were low.... around 300 when i started bleeding internally & in horrendous pain. I didn't have spotting with it, i had heavy, bright red bleeding. The pain i was experiencing for about 2-3 weeks was managable until that night when i got go bad that i could sit, lie down & i was shaking.

My early losses all started bleeding around 5 - 5.5 weeks, the very first was very painfuly but the others weren't as painful as that one but still were painful. All my pain was together with bleeding. Never experienced pain & little or delayed bleeding.

I do get cysts on my ovaries but they've never mentioned these being a problem although they are bloody painful.

How to deal with the disappointment.... hun i can't tell you that. I think you need to work through it the best you can.
Apart from my husband, i got no support from anyone. My sister thought i was a self b for not being all excited whilst she had her twins or her other baby. My SIL said i was selfish for putting my husband through all of it.
I think with the first loss it hit me hard, i was so gutted & upset. The 2nd was hard too. However with the 3rd & 4th i was kinda expecting it & although i was upset i kinda got stronger with each loss. The 5th loss... it took me about 2 months before i hit me & then i cried for hours.

I think i could have decided that enough was enough & give in but i was sure that i'd get my baby some day. Its taken a long time & 5 losses but i'm so glad i didn't give in.

People don't understand why its upsetting as my manager so kindly put it.... oh well it was only a mass of cells. They may be just cells to everyone else but they were the beginning of my little baby that i'd dreamt of.

Have your hospital done any blood tests on you, not ones whilst you've been pregnant? If not they really should be getting the ball rolling & testing you to see if they can find a reason for your losses.

I wish you lots of luck & hope you get your baby soon. Don't give up & if you need someone to talk to, you can send me a pm.

x

LolaKnickers · 13/07/2010 10:53

I had an ectopic and it started with pain. Was back and forth to the hospital having blood HcG tests every 48 hours which showed slow rising levels, which is apparently a classic sign of ectopic. I then started to bleed and miscarried naturally just after I'd had my last blood test - so by the time they'd have treated me, I didn't need any treatment. Just had scan and more blood tests to confirm complete miscarriage.

KnitterNotTwitter · 13/07/2010 11:00

I lost a baby from an ectopic pregnancy in March. Mine was different to yours as it ruptured my tube - cue ambulance to hospital, (7 hour wait!) scan, panic, emergency surgery.

But it's never "only a mass of cells" it's always "a little ball of hope".

hereagain123 · 13/07/2010 15:28

Thank you for your responses. Serendipity, thank you so much for describing your experience. I do think it's amazing what people can get through and feel inspired to keep going. People keep saying "at least you've got a child". I don't think it works like that. I'm still waiting for something to happen. Hormones have plateaued and I'm going back on Monday unless something happens first... x

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serendipity16 · 13/07/2010 16:27

Oh hun, i've heard the 'at least you have kids' comments lots of times. My brother & SIL actually texted me something along those lines whilst i was still in hospital last xmas recovering from my ectopic.
I even got that comment at my daughter was stillborn.... i had a 2yr old at the time & apparently it was easier for me cos i had a child already.

I really don't think people 'get it'. I could have 10 kids but it doesn't mean my heart doesn't hurt at the loss of my babies.

KnitterNotTwitter - Thats such a sweet way of putting it.... 'a little ball of hope' ... that made me smile.

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