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Is your child ready for potty training at nursery? Here's the place for all your toilet training questions.

9 months of TT & we're stuck - where to get help?

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Sp1r1t3d · 12/03/2025 23:24

My younger daughter is 3y 4mo old and we have been TT since last june - starting at 2y 7mo, prompted by her (she was removing her nappy). Initially she made good progress - fully dry days were rare but the concept seemed to have 'clicked' after a few days and after a couple of months she was generally having 1 or 2 accidents a day, but making it to the potty for poos and maybe 4 or 5 wees daily. Then in august, a few weeks before moving house (which happened in sep) she began to stop engaging. By october she was no longer going independently or telling us - just going in her pants 7/8 times a day, unless we happened to intervene and sit her on the potty by chance at the right moment. She had also just changed nursery (she also attends a childminder, who she has stayed with) . We persevered with no progress until xmas, thinking it might be a regression due to the move and change of nursery and would pass in a couple of weeks. But by the Christmas break it had become a power struggle. Her nursery called asking us to put her back in pullups there. We decided to back off for a bit at home too, and take the pressure off for a month or so. After 3 weeks she got nappy rash, so we left her pullup off at home and put the potty down on the floor with no expectation and no prompts (she hates reminders) . She began using it reliably unprompted - provided she was at home with no pants on. If we put them on she just wet/soiled them repeatedly. We thought maybe she needed a more gradual approach so just left pants off at home for 2-3 weeks. All fine. Then (on advice) tried to get her back in pants at home. This seemed to go reasonably at first, with her mainly weeing in the potty/toilet, but often (though not always) not wanting to poo in it - she would try ton withhold, soil a couple of times and then eventually just do a full poo in her pants. For context, she is on a low dose of stool softening medication so not suffering with uncomfortable stools, and we incentivise by letting let her have a choc button if she gets poo in the potty, and stickers on her chart for both poos and wees. This week she seems to have gone back to not telling us she needs to go and just weeing/pooing in pants when wearing them. But I have noticed that if she happens to need to go when pantless (e.g while we are fetching a fresh pair or she is getting in/out of bath etc) she still just goes and uses the potty with no fuss .

I am at a loss as to what to do - we are nine months in and i feel like we have been stuck partway to TT for an unusually long time. I cannot figure out what is going on for my daughter and think we need professional advice, but i have no idea who to ask/where to look - there are lots of conflicting opinions online and i feel like we need someone who can consider both the possibility of medical causes and the behavioural side - but who is that professional? Has anyone encountered a similar situation and found a useful source of help? TIA

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tellmesomethingtrue · 13/03/2025 00:07

Your daughter is clearly not ready. Why have you been pursuing this for months and months? Poor little girl. Follow her lead, listen to her... she's not ready yet.

stackhead · 13/03/2025 00:28

Put her back in pull ups. Use cream for the nappy rash. Avoid talking about the potty for at least 1 month (ideally 3 or 4 months!) and then start again. Leave the potty out or in the toilet or wherever if she wants to use it but don't encourage the use.

You should've stopped in October really. Once they're ready it only takes a few days/a week before they're dry for most of the time.

sellotapechicken · 13/03/2025 00:40

Put her back in nappies, treat nappy rash and try again in3-4 months

Sp1r1t3d · 13/03/2025 07:15

🙄. We have pursued it because when I asked this very question to health visitor, specialist charity advisors, and her original childcare settings, they all advised us to, saying she was ready (as she had shown signs and made good progress at the start) and it was regression prob due to house move, which can sometimes take time to resolve. But then when we didn't see any movement, we did stop and take a break (as made clear in my post). I was asking about where to seek professional advice, not for unsolicited opinions on whether to take her out of nappies. Or for nappy rash, which we obviously treated at the time and resolved within a few days.

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stackhead · 13/03/2025 07:34

She's 3. There is no medical reason why she's not potty trained yet. She's just not ready.

In addition you.moved house and started a new nursery in a short space of time. Nit doesn't take a genius to realise that she's unsettled.

You don't need a professional. Just some common sense.

Sp1r1t3d · 13/03/2025 08:59

Wow, everyone is angry today aren't they?! Glad I am providing you all with an opportunity to get that criticism and judgement in for the day though! 😁 @stackhead actually, her older sister did have a medical condition that delayed her toilet training and went undiagnosed by GP & HV until we finally were able to see a gastro consultant at age 3.5. DD2 has not shown the same symptoms but it can be tricky to detect. We had to pay to go private, which we could not afford, to get any help at all for DD1. So I am seeking to try and get a similar situation ruled out by someone who can take the global view before unnecessarily spending ££££ on private medical referrals. But thanks for stopping by!

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biscuitcat · 13/03/2025 09:07

That sounds so tricky, and much sympathy!

ERIC have a free helpline, which I think should be open today, and are often a wealth of information so could be a good place to start - they'll also be knowledgable about what next steps could look like, and their website is great too. Otherwise I wonder about asking your health visitor/GP about a referral to your local continence service - though I don't know if there are any age limits there as she's still so young.

stackhead · 13/03/2025 09:11

@Sp1r1t3d I'm not angry. But way to drip feed the details 🙄 makes for a slightly different story then we tried and she didn't take to it vs her sister has a medical condition that we want to rule out for her.

Sp1r1t3d · 13/03/2025 09:43

@stackhead yes, it has been super difficult. Especially with the lack of support and understanding available. Thank you for your empathy.

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Sp1r1t3d · 13/03/2025 09:45

@biscuitcat thank you so much for your constructive input! We have tried ERIC and HV previously but these are great suggestions - on my list to revisit them. ❤️

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gingertodgers · 13/03/2025 10:36

Ignore the nastiness op, it's really hard to know what to do for the best especially when you are being told things by professionals. How do you manage getting out and about with her having accidents all the time though? Does she know she's had an accident or asked to be changed?

gingertodgers · 13/03/2025 10:54

Also for reference, we tried potty training my dd when she was about 2.5. Initially she took to it quite well and I naively thought we would crack it within the week. But after a few days she stopped engaging. She would wee on the floor right next to the potty and it I tried to get her on it or the toilet she would become really distressed, crying and acting as if she was afraid of it.

So I resorted back to pull ups and we will have another go in a few months when the weather is warmer. Sometimes I do think they need a full reset so they have time to forget about it then approach it completely fresh when they are more ready.

Interestingly at the time I posted on here for advice and was told I was completely wrong to give up. Which just shows that whatever you do, people will tell you it's wrong.

Sp1r1t3d · 13/03/2025 11:16

Thanks @gingertodgers yes - tbh I was expecting a fair bit of this on MN and came ready for it in the hope someone would be along eventually with something useful to say! So initially after a few weeks of reliability in no pants at home we just out her in pants at home - pullups everywhere else. Then when she was doing ok with pants at home we started to try pants on outings. The first week was great but now tbh when out and about she is 50/50 -often will do a little bit of a wee in pants then realise she us wet and tell us and finish in the potty. Occasionally asks to go in advance. Sometimes goes on arrival in a new place or before departure and when we ask; but often refuses. It is all very hit and miss but in general we take the travel potty and lots of spare clothes and o the park etc with us and and deal with it! But if we are somewhere where an accident would be a real issue (e.g. Soft play or someone’s house) we can be fairly sure she wont ask to go most times as she is playing, so will use a pullup. Trying to take it very gradually one setting at a time as all ‘consistency’ has achieved with her is a power struggle, but we now seem to be going backwards again: i’m at a loss really - so far ERIC and HV have just said plough on but it is clear we are stuck and I cannot work out why! 🙈

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Waterlilysunset · 13/03/2025 12:12

Tbh OP I think you’ve done all the right things and have done what I would have done. I started my son at 2 and would have kept going if he showed some signs of getting it (he did), all the advice says if things are moving forward to keep going and not confuse them by going back to nappies. Sorry you’re getting a hard time here

Tafal · 13/03/2025 12:17

Hi OP, in a similar boat here. Attempted very briefly at 18 months which was clearly far too early for her, so stopped. Tried again when she was about 2 and was a bit better, was trying the oh crap method, but after a few weeks she just wasn't really getting it. Tried again at 2.5 and it seemed to be clicking this time so stuck with it. It's been a long slog. She has recently turned 3 and I would say that she is 80% of the way there. Poo accidents don't happen anymore but she is very up and down with wees. We too feel like we are stuck in this in between bit and not sure why. She isn't really bothered about being wet which I feel is a main factor, it is very hard to get her to willingly go to the toilet but she can take herself no problem when it suits her.

I would have happily kept her in pull ups for longer but she became extremely resistant to changes at about 16 months and I could not manage the literal fight with her every time she needed changing. It was just getting worse and worse.

Sp1r1t3d · 13/03/2025 12:33

@Waterlilysunset @Tafal thanks for your kind words! And sorry you are in the same situation @Tafal - so frustrating and confusing!

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loveyoutothemoonandtosaturn · 13/03/2025 13:26

Ahhh sympathies OP. This can be so hard. I'd recommend just taking the pressure off her completely.. no fuss if she has an accident and lots and lots of praise and choc buttons if she 'performs'. Don't talk about it too much or make a big thing of it and she'll get there. Some of the responses on here.. Wow

PurBal · 13/03/2025 13:36

It takes an average of 6 months to potty train. And with my DS I would say he wasn't reliable for at least a year. Even now, at 3.5 and 18 months in, he has accidents on a semi regular basis. ERIC is a really good resource. A friend of mine is a paediatric nurse who specialises in this area. It's called "paediatric bladder and bowel care" in my area you can self refer. Alternatively a go through a GP.

PurBal · 13/03/2025 13:37

That should say "and in my area you can self refer" I assume it's called the same thing everywhere.

Sp1r1t3d · 13/03/2025 13:51

Update: Just called our local Health visitor line for their advice. They found notes from my previous call back in Nov but are stumped too and said they can’t refer us for more support until she is 4, so said to just persevere… 🫠

They did suggest trying to get her to clean and change herself after an accident. Worth a try I guess! 🤷🏻‍♀️

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