The anti-nighttraining paradigm: an overcorrection?

[SnoozingCyborg]

So I read up about how people aren't doing night-training anymore because you're just meant to wait until your kid is 'ready' and the nappies go dry for a week. Have just made the switch to no nappy dry nighttimes with DS at 3.5 years. Turns out though that he was ready months and months ago, but is just too lazy to NOT wee in a nappy if he is wearing a nappy. In fact, if he is having too much fun playing, he will still sometimes wee himself during the daytime, again because, and I quote, "I'm too lazy to go the toilet." So yeah, sometimes you just have to guess and try the underpants when they're still wetting heavily at night (depending on how lazy your kid seems).

Awesome, I'm sure everyone is completely enlightened now by this anecdotal evidence and will ignore medical information for continence nurses and the ERIC website and hormones and such.

Wandered into this board because I'm starting to look ahead to potty training next year, and have no idea what you're both on about. But I do feel compelled to stick up for the OP here (and not just because I appreciate a thread title with the word paradigm in it). Maybe dial down the snark, Jason, if nobody did anecdotal evidence on mumsnet the site would be a wasteland.

Wandered into this board because I'm starting to look ahead to potty training next year, and have no idea what you're both on about.

Then maybe taking sides is a bit of a silly thing to do?

Mine is ready and has been for ages, but when she has a cold or is otherwise under the weather she won't wake up and there will be a night time accident. I also know a fair few dc who have had issues re hormones etc. I don't see the point in making a big deal just so you can have the badge of honour of having cracked night times. I think it is completely positive that there is now less pressure and more awareness of the physiological issues and when to seek help.

Wandered into this board because I'm starting to look ahead to potty training next year, and have no idea what you're both on about.

To translate the OP for you:
CHILDREN ARE LAZY, THEY BEDWET BECAUSE THEY ARE LAZY, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HORMONES AND ANYONE WHO USES NAPPIES IS DOING WRONG. you should all do what I've done because i did everything right!

Don't know wtf Mil did, but at 42, DH still wets the bed.

I'll find out what tack she took, post here, and you can do the opposite. Job done.

That's how I read it Pirate and just for the avoidance of doubt I think the Op is COMPLETELY wrong.
(based on the anecdotal experience of the 100s of DC I have as part of my family and friendship circle and the combined wisdom of my Mum, Mother in law and Grandmother).

Didn't read the OP like that at all.
We haven't started training day or night yet but the impression I've been given is not to even try nights till a long long time after days. Nappies for a year or two at night after daytime training seems normal now but is it necessary for ALL children? OP is saying that some kids could be dry at night if we just let them try.

My older child was dry at night about a week after he was dry during the day, when he was not quite two and a half. My younger one is still in nappies at night and is six. He also sometimes has daytime accidents but I don't think he's lazy - it's like he doesn't know he has to go until he's desperate.

museummum I don't think it is a question of letting them try. My 2 oldest were dry at night at 2.5 except for when ill. Day time took training but night time just happened as your body ought to switch off production while you sleep. The only element of training was in going to the toilet when they wakened. For some children they are older when their night time hormones adjust and a few need medication to kick start the process.

Ha! So, in short, potty training threads are every bit as much of a minefield as the feeding and sleep ones. Fabulous.

Tiny meteor if I could "like" your post I would!!

I read somewhere that the hormone is responsible for about 20% of night wetting, and the rest is down to behaviour. Certainly, my ds was dry as soon as I got him to drink more in the day, which is the first thing doctors recommend I think?

Basically, everyone is right

yes, limiting fluid isn't good as the bladder never holds to full capacity, so they say drink a lot in the day to expand it.