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DD 3.5 has never done a wee or poo on the potty or toilet and seems phobic about doing so. Have tried everything I can think of. What on earth do I do?

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mammal · 08/01/2012 01:44

I started training DD at about age 2.5. Bought potty, pants and a couple of books about potty training. She enjoyed sitting on the potty and reading the books. We did this for a few weeks to prepare her for potty training.

First attempt at about age 2.5. Went without nappies/pants/clothes on lower half, gave her plenty of water and took her to sit on the potty about once every hour. Did this for a few days. She would happily sit on the potty but didn't use it. Lots of accidents. I dealt with it all calmly, said it didn't matter, everyone has accidents, we'll try to reach the potty next time. I have always been calm, positive and encouraging; I've never been cross about accidents or DD's refusal to try. As we still hadn't had one wee on the potty after two days, on the third day I decided she obviously wasn't ready and decided to wait another couple of months.

I have repeated attempts every two to three months since. She is now 3.5 and has never done a wee or poo in the potty or loo.

In November I did things slightly differently because I wanted to get an understanding of how much bladder control she has. Because she seems genuinely phobic about actually weeing or pooing in the potty or on the loo, I said we would go without pull-ups and when she felt like she needed a wee, I'd like her to try and use the loo or potty but if she didn't want to, then she could ask me for a pull-up and use that for the wee, then we would take it off again. My thinking was that I would be giving her an element of control over the situation and I would understand if she still lacked bladder control and the problem is physical or whether it is psychological. She took to this and didn't have one accident.

We carried on doing this for a few days but she then caught a stomach upset and wanted to wear pull-ups full-time.

I tried again shortly afterwards but she didn't want to do it: she became hysterical at any attempt to get her to sit on the potty, go without pull-ups.

This last week out of the blue she agreed to start sitting on the loo again and to go without pull-ups. I gave her lots of water on the first morning, which she was happy to drink because she understood it would make her want to wee and she wanted to use the loo. She asked to go to the loo every 10-15 minutes and was enjoying sitting on it. I spent some time talking with her and gave her some time on her own so if she felt my being there as some kind of pressure I would be removing that pressure from her. Several hours later, she suddenly became very distressed and I mean very distressed hysterical wanting her pants now, would not sit on the loo. She was crying so much I couldn't make her hear me and she couldn't really talk to me. I gave it about 10 minutes but I couldn't let it go any further. I would have had to physically restrain her on the loo to get her on it and I knew she wasn't in any state to sit there and do a wee. I put pants on her and she was in discomfort for a while before she finally went and went so much it went through a size 6 nappy. She had obviously been drinking so much but withholding her wee because she is so afraid of going for a wee on the loo. I am now at my wits end and have no idea how to proceed with this. I don't want to push it and get to the stage of her ending up in a&e and needing catheterising.

But if she could maintain bladder control for so long, when she needed the loo so much and through crying for 10 minutes, it does show how good her control is. It makes it so frustrating because I think if only she would do it just the once we would more or less be there, wees at least.

There are complicating factors: she has had constipation since birth. Since she turned two this has become increasingly severe and she has seen a consultant and is now on Movicol. This works eventually but getting the dose right is difficult and we frequently have days where she is more or less constantly soiling. This makes training all the harder. I tend to keep pull-ups on her when she is having days like this because she gets very distressed by it.

I have tried bribery: chocolates and I've even bought a toy she has wanted for a while. I've shown her it and told her she can have it when she does her first wee on the potty or loo and she does frequently mention the toy but even this hasn't done the trick (she is normally quite amenable to bribery!)

She is a very head-strong girl, very stubborn but also very, very sensitive. She is happy to sit on the loo until she needs to go and then becomes hysterical if any attempt is made to get her on the loo/potty. I think her fear is not the loo or potty itself but going for a wee/poo on the loo. When I say she can be sensitive other recent examples include hating noise and wanting tv on so low it can barely be heard and if her socks aren't on with the line across the toes straight and pulled tight over her heels again she will become hysterical.

I'm sorry it is long but didn't want to drip-feed and wanted to get all the relevant history/information in. She is starting school in September. I am desperate and out of ideas. I love her so much and want to do the right thing for her. Please help.

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mammal · 08/01/2012 02:10

The constipation is a long-term issue and she is likely to remain on Movicol for some time, possibly years. According to her consultant, sometimes chronic constipation can interfere with the signals from the bladder but as she obviously has bladder control this doesn't seem to be a problem in her case. It is more the constant soiling on some days makes going without pull-ups difficult which makes it hard to continue with training.

She seems to have two separate issues: the constipation and a genuine fear of doing a wee or poo on the loo. I do think if I can get her to do a wee on the loo once we would near enough be there, at least with getting her dry. I know with the constipation, getting her continent with poos will be a lot more difficult.

This feels like it has become a very complicated issue, beyond my ability to deal with it.

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mammal · 08/01/2012 11:58

Bumping in case anyone else can help

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LBsBongers · 08/01/2012 21:29

I highly recommend the following book ' constipation, withholding and your child' by Anthony Cohn is a very easy ans accessible read and helped me enormously understand my sons fear of pooing . He will sit on potty but only poos every 3 to 4 days will generally a lot of fuss, not quite same situation as you but am happy to discuss a bit more tomorrow when I have more time?

AnInnocentAbroad · 09/01/2012 09:16

Oh Blimey! My DS was very constipated as a baby/toddler and I was beginning to despair of all the doctors' advice and medication until one fantastic doctor changed everything with two very simple pieces of advice;
1/ Children can have an issue with sitting on a full sized loo so we gave him a step so his feet weren't left dangling but were firmly planted.
2/ give him freshly squeezed orange juice every morning. Freshly squeezed, not shop bought, and must include the pith which is the "magic" ingredient.
My DH, bless him, has been squeezing juice every morning for the last 8 years and we have never had a problem since (although DS can still be quite "precious" about not poohing at school, on planes etc.!)
This advice was given to us by one of the most senior paediatricians where we live and completed changed our lives. After 2 years of regular A & E visits, medication, suppositories, tears and tantrums it was such a relief.
Give it a try - it worked for us. Good luck.

normaleggy · 09/01/2012 22:09

Mammal I am in exactly the same boat with my dd (she is 4 next month). She had an anal fissure (like a paper cut in her bum) about 2 years ago now which caused her a lot of pain and left her terrified of having a poo. She always tries to hold onto her poos, leaving her constipated and potty traing has been a nightmare. However, last week completely out of the blue, she asked if she could wee on the toilet and has been doing so for 7 days now. Although she still won't do any poos there, this is a massive step for her and she is now saying that she doesn't like the poo in her knickers but absolutely refuses to put a nappy on to poo so, I feel we are very close. She is also on movical and also taking a medicine called senna which encourages the bowel to move.

Does she go to playschool or nursery? My dd only recently started and I think seeing the other children using the toilets there has really helped. Fingers crossed for you

Racyrach · 11/01/2012 09:04

Hi Mammal,

It's so reassurring to read your thread, my daughter will be 3 in April and this potty / toilet training is doing my head in! She is a really bright little button, and her speech is great & she showed all the signs that she was ready so 2 weeks ago we put her into big girl knickers (pull up at nighttime). But she seems to have some kind of phobia against sitting on the toilet / potty & becomes hysterical if any attempt is made to sit her on either. I have tried the bribery, potty presents, smarties, etc and ignoring the problem hoping she would get fed up with wetting / pooing herself and want to sit on the toilet / potty on her own. But that hasn't worked either, she doesn't care that she is wet. She holds in the wee now nearly all day, so she has the control, and then when she is desperate runs around shouting wee wee is coming but simply prefers to wet herself rather than sit on the toilet.
I feel such a failure as a mother! How much longer will this go on??

Strawberrytallcake · 11/01/2012 09:18

My dd was exactly like this last summer. We spent a weekend in with her and just went about the house doing the usual things (her with nappy off) she was hysterical really really hysterical but she couldn't hold it in and I spoke to dh in front of her about how she needed to sit on the potty to wee, just ignored the hysteria. Eventually she gave in when she realised we wouldn't and did it, I was amazed and had tried for a year to get her to wee on the potty. It sounds like quite a harsh way but I felt when I was sympathising it was feeding into her fear. We also bought a toy, charts, chocolates. She was so happy after she had done a wee on the potty and we made a massive deal of her and she got better every time after that. It didn't happen until the Sunday evening of the weekend.

She is still on movicol now and waits until the last minute to say she needs a poo but she hasn't had an accident since training weekend. She also doesn't wet her pull ups at bed or nap time, sounds like your dd has a strong bladder like mine, it's great as she doesn't want to go every 2 mins like some other little uns.

Sorry for the really messy post, I'm in a bit of a rush to get out but wanted to say it'll be ok..

Strawberrytallcake · 11/01/2012 09:21

FYI I also did a wee on the potty to try and get her to use it Blush that wasn't a proud moment.

Racyrach · 11/01/2012 09:31

stawberrytallcake, that's given me hope that there's light at the end of the tunnel, thank you!
I'll keep ignoring her hysteria & hope she'll just get over her fear.
At times I think my 15 month old will be toilet trained before her!

HattiFattner · 11/01/2012 09:38

We purchased a lot of really desirable girly tat - tiaras, sparkly bangles, bubbles, crayons, 1 small pack of haribos, put them all in a sparkly pink box, plus a whole range of girlie stickers.

Plus new pants, as chosen by DD. Very important that they choose. We also had the "show me your pants" - where she got to model her big girl pants to all and sundry.

Sat her on the pot with the lure of sticker plus one item of sparkly desirables if she managed a wee. The box of sparkly desirables was kept in the bathroom. She could look, but not touch, and we would chat about which item she would like the most.

Eventually we got a tablespoon of wee out of her. Oh my lord, what a great fuss was made....she got an item of tat, a sticker to stick on her potty, got to phone granny and tell her (granny made big fuss) - and got to phone daddy too. Big celebration.

STrangely after that, she was keen to go back to the potty to get more items of desire. After a while, we would insist on a HUGE wee for a sparkly. Then "if you are dry all morning and use the potty..."

Then If you are dry all day...

Then If you are dry for 3 days

Then, finally, if you can stay dry for a whole week, you can have a barbie doll/polly pocket/zhuzhu hamster ....

I have found bribery to be most effective method of getting them toilet trained. It may not be PC, but it whas worked for all three of mine.

Strawberrytallcake · 11/01/2012 17:38

Hatti, that sounds great, I tried that with mine and she was fine up until actually letting the wee come out and then she went really crazy as poster above. People used to tell me stories like that and I despaired because I didn't know what I'd done wrong, felt like a total failure. I know now that dd had a hugely irrational ( but very real to her) fear and some children are not as easy to help train.

Racyrach and mammal please don't take it out on yourselves like I did, I think I sat and cried almost every night before that weekend where me and dh trained her together. I knew how upset she was and how she knew how disappointed I was and it broke my heart. Definitely take any pressure off yourself and know it will happen. It was the most difficult milestone for us to pass and really wish you luck.

The weekend we spent training I also had a couple of g&ts in the daytime to keep me relaxed which I'm sure helped Grin

HattiFattner · 12/01/2012 11:31

how about putting pull ups on and getting her to sit on the pot while she wees in pull ups. Do it for a couple of days...

Then cut a hole in the pull ups so the wee goes in the pot and make a huge fuss as above.

mummeeee · 12/01/2012 13:22

Op - it sounds like you've done everything really well. I'm so sorry all this has happened. Sounds really difficult. I don't have anything concrete but the following might help, in combination with other suggestions.

My dd has some medical probs which meant potty training was completely uncertain. The thing that seemed to help her most was seeing others using the potty. If you have friends with children at the stage of using the potty frequently, is it possible to invite them over/go round to play and let her see them using it? I probably wouldn't draw attention to it, so as not to increase any feeling of pressure on your dd, but maybe just hope it happened a few times, just to reassure your dd there's nothing to be afraid of. I think the reassurance of your dd's peers might help.

My dd is now toilet trained. She loves to show our ds, who's younger and still in nappies how to do it.

Good luck

Strawberrytallcake · 12/01/2012 20:55

Oooh yeah that's so true, there are loads of random potty training vids on YouTube too. Elm's potty time DVD from amazon is also quite good,

Strawberrytallcake · 12/01/2012 20:56

*Elmo's

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