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I'm phobic about potty training - and feel v guilty haven't done it yet

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lightwind · 28/02/2011 07:31

My son is 3 and not yet potty trained. I am feeling really guilty about this, as I'm pretty certain this is my fault. I suffer from severe OCD (I'm really phobic about toilets and all that goes on in them). I have been on anti-depressants for many years and also see a psychologist regularly. Getting to the point of having a baby was a long haul, but I'm glad I did it and I love my son to bits. He's a beautiful, happy, loving child who can be a little monster at times, and though I find being a mum hard at times my son is the most wonderful thing in my world. I'm ok about changing nappies (wasn't at first, took a lot of gritting my teeth and facing my fears), and now I have a system in place that I can just about deal with. But I am terrified of potty training and potential 'accidents', so have been avoiding doing it. Has anyone else faced any similar fears or issues? I feel really stupid and inadequate.

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UnAgentSecrete · 28/02/2011 22:36

Sarcasm aside, RPO - my last post was directed at you, obviously, but somehow it got posted before I'd finished it - I do see that you're trying to be helpful in some ways, and some of your advice may be useful, but there are many people who through no fault of their own are vulnerable and lack confidence, and the presence of a voice like yours can intimidate those people who might otherwise benefit from reading and posting on a thread like this, as well as potentially the OP. Unless you make an active effort to be more empathetic.

Which is why I said what I said.

It always tickles me that people who "speak as they find" are the ones who hate it most when others do it back to them.

CrispyCakeHead · 28/02/2011 22:41

rightpissedoff, you seem to have hijacked a thread which is about helping the OP overcome her fears and turned it into berating anyone whose child genuinely wasn't ready before three (one of mine was, the other wasn't ). And your comments are less than supportive to the OP.

Perhaps you should start a thread in behaviour/development to get a proper debate going and let people on this thread advise the OP on overcoming her phobia without having to justify the age at which their own DC were toilet trained.

OP, although you may be at the centre of why your son isn't potty trained yet, I don't think you should blame yourself at all, as your phobia is very real and no doubt causing you a lot of anxiety. FWIW though, dealing with a poo on the floor or a relatively solid one in pants is a lot less unpleasant than a nappy full of squished up poo!! so while I have no experience I can say that the whole endeavour probably won't be as bad as you imagine it will be. As others have suggested, can you talk to your HCP about helping you get a system in place for this too? Or else, get lots of cheap potties and leave them at strategic points all over the house, hopefully minimising the number of accidents you may get? Also, buy a job lot of cheap pants that you won't mind just binning should he have a poo accident.

rightpissedoff · 28/02/2011 22:42

you called me ignorant, course I'm going to tell you to get lost, happy to oblige in the tickling department

you don't have to read my posts on other threads, why would you

rightpissedoff · 28/02/2011 22:50

I do agree about the hijacking.. but then, twas only one comment and then it got jumped on by others. It didn't have to start a debate.

You have to be pragmatic. Is the OP going to get over her phobia any time soon? No. Does the child need to be trained? Yes. Can anyone else do it? No. (I and others suggested her mum on the other thread but tis not possible).

What about support elsewhere? It's possible, but definitely can't be counted on.

Therefore, she has to do it herself as quickly and cleanly as possibly. I think the cheap potty idea is also a good one. I do think this is a problem that money can be thrown at, and not much money either. But I think the OP needs to know at the start that she's not going to have to poo-scrape otherwise she'll wobble.

It simply is a case of getting on with it. No, I guess I should have said it's not her fault, because she has this phobia. But there isn't much to do except crack on with it.

rightpissedoff · 28/02/2011 22:57

In fact, we should all be much more sanguine about stuff that doesn't go right as parents.

We are none of us perfect. Why can't we accept that without being turned into quivering wrecks at the thought. I've already told a story about how crappy I was about the whole thing. There's no point fretting about your child not being trained at three. If you think it needs doing, do it. Don't fret about it, it's just enervating and pointless.

OP I really hope I haven't depressed you.

rightpissedoff · 28/02/2011 22:57

By which I mean, the average child barring unusual factors should be trained at three, but why fret -- just do it.

CrispyCakeHead · 28/02/2011 23:02

"why fret...just do it"

surely not aimed at the OP? It's precisely because she DOES fret that she is having this issue. If only getting over a mental health problem were so easy Hmm

eden263 · 01/03/2011 00:02

Exactly, crispy. I had to laugh (or 'laugh' as I didn't find it at all funny) at one of RPO's earliest tirades posts on here: "She can do it, she just doesn't think she can, and she needs to be told she can."

Of course, silly OP, pull yourself together. I bet she never thought of just getting on with it at all.

I bet RPO thinks people with depression should 'just cheer up', too.

This wasn't even in AIBU, at what point did OP deserve such a merciless slating for her 'shortcomings'? As secret agent said, she just wanted some help, not for people to don their great big judgypants.

rightpissedoff · 01/03/2011 02:06

who gave her a slating? I'm the only one that's given her good advice, practical advice that might work

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 01/03/2011 02:41

LightWind, do you and your son's father live together?

Can he not do it? Even if he works fulltime and you're a SAHM, he must take holidays sometimes; schedule it for then.

lightwind · 01/03/2011 07:14

Wow, thank you all for responding. It feels good that there are so many people trying to be helpful.

Yes, my son's dad and I do live together - he is lovely but he has a very demanding job and works long hours. I elected to give up work and stay at home with my child, so I do most of the parenting. My dh does help on weekends of course, and in the evenings.

I do realise that toilet-training my son is going to have to be my responsibility - I signed up for it when I chose to become a mum. No arguments there. But I have been ill for many years, and some things are a struggle for me - as I imagine they are for many other people with chronic illnesses, mental or physical. Sadly, when confronting phobias or anxieties, it isn't as simple as 'getting on with it'. If things were that straightforward I wouldn't be posting about it.

But many of you who responded understand that and have been incredibly supportive - it helps to know that you have all taken time to help me find a solution, and right now I do need help.

On the practical side - no, I never went down the potty route - but yes I have bought a baby toilet seat,and a step and have made many attempts to sit my child on it - we first started when he was 2.2 - with little or no result - ie he didn't really see the point of sitting there. I admit that I have not had the courage to go cold turkey ie dispense with nappies and allow him to make 'messes'. I just don't think I can go down that route. The past few months have also seen the onslaught of lots of contrary 'terrible twos' behaviour - including 'I will/will not/will/will not sit on the toilet' ie swinging wildly from one postion to the other accompanied by physical struggles to avoid sitting on the toilet. At which point I gave up and went back to nappies - I couldn't deal with it.

And then,a few weeks ago, my husband was home on a weekend and I was out, and my son needed to do a poo - and he went to the toilet with his dad and - just did it. And did it again. Subsequently, when ds has been home with me he insists on doing it in his nappy. I felt like such a failure. Subsequently we've been on holiday, and ds has been a bit unsettled so he has gone back to nappies.

I am now trying to gear up to another attempt. I am pretty sure that ds has picked up on the fact that Mummy gets anxious in the toilet, and seems to be trying to adjust his expectations of me. Believe me, I feel totally frustrated with myself and am trying hard to get on top of my fears. I love my son - I am trying to focus on that and hoping to draw strength and courage from that.

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GnomeDePlume · 01/03/2011 09:05

Hi Lightwind

By the sounds of what you posted, for you the toilet is a bit of an issue for you - as in the room itself. Is this where your DH could help in 'training up' your DS so that he is able to get himself onto the toilet? Actually, this is something you can do quite separately from toilet training itself 'DS please can you put your toilet seat on the toilet and the step in place, then wash your hands? Thank you!' This is then a step on the way.

Once he is able to do this without assistance, with you at home randomly getting him to put the toilet seat on the toilet and putting his step in place then you are both ready for the next step.

This way you can help him outside the confined space of the loo it self by undoing trousers etc. DS then goes in and does the necessary. You can then minimise the time you have to spend in the room with him. There are lots of flushable wet wipes around which help with the whole bottom wiping activity.

Dont worry about what happened in the past. Your DS will be so much more aware of himself as a separate person from you now. Actually, I think not spending too much time in the toilet with him is a good thing as it teaches him that toileting is an essentially private activity rather than a communal one.

Good luck!

nannyl · 01/03/2011 14:50

Just a note about flushable wipes.

Please dont flush them... any plumber will tell you how often they unblock toilets and drains blocked by these flushable wipes.

if you want to use them (they are good at what they do) put in a nappy bag and bin them after use Smile

UnAgentSecrete · 01/03/2011 21:03

Lightwind - your love and concern for your son are palpable and shine through your posts. I'm glad the support on this thread has been helpful to you. I don't have much in the way of practical advice for you - but I would like to say that it sounds like you're doing a fantastic job, and I hope you can try to be patient and loving and forgiving with yourself as you really deserve that. You do sound like you're giving yourself a bit of a hard time about it (which I totally understand, the feelings of inadequacy and frustration and so on) so when you're feeling self critical maybe it would help to remind yourself of a few things:

1), that you are, as you say, genuinely suffering from a chronic illness which makes this particular stage extremely challenging for you;
2), you are not a failure as you have done incredibly well to overcome your illness enough to be a mum in the first place and to be as loving and happy a parent as you sound;
and 3), there is nothing particularly uncommon about a 3 year old - especially a boy - still being in nappies these days, so where you are in that sense is actually pretty normal, so take that time pressure off yourself if you can. (And just throwing away soiled pants is also not uncommon!)

I hear you that you're worried that your issues are holding him back, and he's picking up on your anxiety - and that may be; but you can only be the mother that you can be. And you are the mother that he loves and needs, the mother who gave him life - not some perfect cardboard cut out one who gets everything right. No one gets everything right; everyone's bound to pass on some "stuff" to their DCs because everyone's got baggage of some kind. Whether they're aware of it or not. You at least have that awareness and so are in a position to minimise any negative impact on him by compensating in other ways.

I really don't know enough about your condition in general, and yours specifically to be able to suggest what would help but given that phobias are by nature extreme (one thing I have heard about OCD is that sufferers can really feel as if something truly dreadful will come to pass if certain things happen/don't happen the right way, to the point of fear of death, don't know how true this is for all cases) then it's really not surprising you're at an impasse. You shouldn't be comparing yourself to other people who don't have OCD, you need to be comparing yourself to where you were before you were even able to have a child, so you can see how far you've come, and what you have dealt with. In that context, if your DH has more success in this area than you, it doesn't mean at all that you're a failure, just that you are ill in a way he isn't.

Is there any chance at all he can take a week or two off work just to stay at home at some point, and then he can take charge of this? Or if not, would finances allow you to actually employ someone to come in and mangage it for you? Gina Ford (not that I'm a follower!) has loads of case studies of working with families and sorting out potty training for them, so obviously this is something that people do even when they haven't got a phobia; you would be more than justified in doing this in your situation and it wouldn't mean you were failing or welching out of what you signed up for. It's just delegating. You're still taking responsibility for making sure it happens.

And if that really isn't an option either, I am sure you will work it out one way or another, in your own time. Someone who goes through that much just to have a baby is someone who finds solutions to problems, not someone who gives up. I think I may have laboured the point a little Smile but I really do hope you can be a little bit kinder to yourself, and I wish you lots of luck.

CaurnieBred · 01/03/2011 21:21

Can I second nannyl's post about the wipes - this is after having to pay £75 to unblock our drains.

Lightwind - do you and DH take him to the toilet with you when you are having poos and wees? We made a point of doing this with DD when training her so that she could see what we were doing and connect that this is what we all have to do.

Good luck.

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