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Scarring alopecia - help 🙏

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PurpleJam2234 · 06/12/2022 17:11

I’ve searched the whole of Mumsnet and only seen this mentioned once 😔…

I’m in my early 30’s and I’ve just been diagnosed with AGA and LPP (scarring alopecia) along with TE from having my baby 6 months ago. So sadly, I have 3 forms of hair loss all happening at the same time, which makes treatment and progress a bit confusing. Hopefully, the postpartum loss should improve and the treatment I am on will stop the scarring/inflammation and then I’m just left with trying to manage Androgenic Alopecia / Female Pattern Baldness for as long as possible and as well as possible.

I’m trying so hard to be positive, treat the condition and be a good mum BUT I’m terrified, it never crossed my mind to think I’d be facing something like this at my age. I’m not ready to lose my hair and I can’t tell if the internet/support groups just have a negative bias and there is hope for me with the right treatment or if I am doomed to just go slowly bald. I’m not sure I can face it, I’m devastated and scared.

Is there anyone on hear who has the same thing or knows someone with it?! Xx

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PritiPatelsMaker · 08/12/2022 19:32

Just bumping for the evening crowd for you @PurpleJam2234

Hopefully someone will be along soon Flowers

PurpleJam2234 · 09/12/2022 06:28

PritiPatelsMaker · 08/12/2022 19:32

Just bumping for the evening crowd for you @PurpleJam2234

Hopefully someone will be along soon Flowers

Thank you 🙏 Seems there isn’t anyone on the whole of Mumsnet!

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Jules2011 · 15/01/2023 10:12

Hello. I don’t post much but didn’t want to ignore your post as I know how scary it is to lose your hair.

I have fronting fibrosing alopecia, which is a scarring condition that creates a band of hair loss across the front of your head. Looking back I think this started after the birth of my second son over 13 years ago! I lost my eyebrows slowly and my leg and arm hair. It was years before I noticed that my hairline had been slowly receding! I saw a photo of myself in the swimming pool on holiday and was shocked.

Anyway, it was not picked up by doctors when I had mentioned it and so I took myself off to a trichologist who said that’s what she thought it was. I was referred to a dermatologist by my doctor which took a year!! Currently just started on medication and I’m waiting on the results of a biopsy to see what is going on.

I’m not sure whether you have spoken to the doctor but some of the things you can do are:

Use natural shampoos (no SLS) I’m trying the Champoo one at the moment
Take Biotin supplements or general hair supplements
Trichologist recommended a light therapy brush or cap
Minoxidil foam can work to prevent further loss
Rosemary oil and rose hip are both said to be good for preventing hair loss too, you can get a rollerball and rub into scalp - use a carrier oil with them - takes 6 months apparently to show any improvement! Obviously the scarred follicles can’t come back.

There are some good groups on Facebook, I tend to just follow and watch them.

It is really rubbish and some days can get you down, it is hard too when others are being kind say your hair looks great, because you know what’s going on. Hopefully you will find something that works for you. It’s worth talking to your hairdresser too as they can find clever ways of making your hair look fuller. Try and get referred to a hair specialist dermatologist if you can, they can at least try and prevent further loss. Best of luck with it, you’re not alone there are lots of us out there!

Kareah · 15/01/2023 10:40

I’ve also just been provisionally diagnosed with LPP (assuming you mean lichen planopilaris). I had previously been mis-diagnosed years ago and told it was dermatitis so I cut out all hair styling and hair colouring and hair treatments. Went to natural shampoo plus water being the only things that ever touched my scalp. No improvement…in fact started to get open weeping sores. So went back and was again mis-diagnosed with dermatitis- but this time I was told I just ‘sensitive’ to the usual biome of micro-organisms that live on everyone’s scalp and nothing could be done.

I recently was evicted by a landlord selling up, and so ended up at a new GP surgery and utterly fed up decided to push for this to be looked at again. The GP said it’s dermatitis and I begged for a referral to dermatology saying I thought there might be an opportunitistic secondary fungal infection going on given the itching and hair loss. She did the referral. But the NHS in its wisdom decided I must have been a time waster because I got an appointment with another GP the next town over who specialises in dermatology.

After a long lecture regarding dermatitis from this GP, she deigned to look at my scalp. “you have bald patches!” She exclaimed. And “there’s a lot of scarring”. I was like “yes…and all those bald patches were open weeping sores and I tried to get treatment”. She then said, it’s not dermatitis, I think it’s LPP, so Im going to refer you to the actual dermatologists at the hospital in the city, I will tell them you need biopsies and then they will probably do patch tests to see what treatments might work. Then was the talk about the months and months of wait lists ahead of me.

She said usually the treatment is high strength hydrocortisone creams and asked if I’d ever had any given as prior GPs thought it was dermatitis, and I’d have seen some improvement. I said no, because I’m allergic to everything based on mineral oil and no one knew if there was any prescription strength hydrocortisone creams made without mineral oil. For reference mineral oil is usually listed in the ingredients as liquid paraffin or petrolatum. She said that might be a problem making my LPP completely untreatable, except by oral steroids which have their own side effects.

Anyway, been given nothing to help and am now on the “real” dermatology referral wait list and was told vaguely I might be seen “sometime this summer”.

Its literally taken years to get a real referral to dermatology. It’s devastating really. I’ve been looking into wigs but am also allergic to polyester and all the wig caps are made from that.

The thing that upsets me most about LPP is the scarring. If I am to be bald, I’d be thrilled to have a smooth, beautiful bald head. But a scarred and disfigured bald head with scaly skin and sores that looks like it is leprosy? God, I’d be frightening children and adults alike. Maybe I’m catastrophising, but Google images did not help in that respect.

After a weepy day or two, I asked my DH if we could afford me to get a second opinion from a private dermatologist. We are low income and it’s £170 for a consult, but he agree it’s what we need to do, so I have an appointment on 2 Feb. I wish I had done it sooner tbf. But I was told for years that it was just dermatitis, caused by something I was using on my hair and any hair loss was temporary as it would always grow back.

Jules2011 · 15/01/2023 17:57

Wow you have really had a rough time. I was told it was infected hair follicles - that was over the phone as the doctor wouldn’t see me in person and I got prescribed a fungal treatment.
that was over the phone as the doctor wouldn’t see me in person and I got prescribed a fungal treatment. I lost a lot of hair in that episode.

it took me a year to see the dermatologist, so it is definitely worth paying for an initial visit if you can and at least getting a prescription. The awful thing about this disease is that if you lose time, you lose hair and the scarring means it doesn’t come back.

I have found that the scarring leaves a very smooth bald head so much so that people keep asking me if I’ve had Botox 😂 just go to show how much the sun damages your skin!

I have had a biopsy. I’m just waiting on the results. I suspect it’s LPP.

I hope you get to the bottom and get some treatment soon.

Kareah · 15/01/2023 18:09

So it also took you a long time and mis-diagnosis as well before getting access to treatment. So at least not alone in that. I have read that it is quite rare and so that might be why GPs thought it was a more common condition. Thank you for confirming that it’s worth the money to see a private dermatologist consultant. I really hope I can get something soon because the itching and burning and scalp crawling sensations are driving me up a wall!

Kareah · 16/01/2023 14:21

Bugger. Got an NHS letter in the post today saying my (second) referral to dermatology is “being evaluated” and to wait until March 18th before chasing them.

Now utterly convinced that the £170 private dermatology consult I booked is only way I will access any treatment. I’ve got £97.16 saved up from doing prolific studies online…so that will help.

OP- I did read that with aggressive early treatment LPP “burns out” quickly and goes into a sort of remission that can last for years? So once we get to the hair loss stopping, we can be stable and if it flares up, can go through treatment again.

Kareah · 06/02/2023 19:45

@Jules2011 @PurpleJam2234

Just wondering how you were both getting on and if you had any progress with your treatments?

I did that second opinion privately and got my diagnosis by email today. It’s worse than LPP. It’s Folliculitis Decalvans (FD).

“Examination of your scalp showed inflammation, crusts, pus and scaling around the hair follicles affecting the top, back and sides of your scalp. There is a two pound coin size patch of hair loss on the right temporal area.”

It’s ugly…

There’s treatment but it’s really rare condition and so no definite pathway to stop the hair loss.

“What is the outcome for folliculitis decalvans?

Folliculitis decalvans usually follows a chronic fluctuating course of exacerbations and remissions over many years. It is not clear that treatment influences the long-term prognosis despite successfully reducing inflammation in the short-term. Early diagnosis and treatment are important but permanent hair loss is to be expected.”

Bit emotional today about it. The letter has prescription recommendations for my GP and I’m not sure if I can afford private follow ups. I hope it can be slowed down or at least the uglier aspects can be cleared up.

Jules2011 · 06/02/2023 20:18

@Kareah I’m so sorry to hear your diagnosis. That is a hard one to swallow. it really is rubbish.

What did you get prescribed? Can you not still go to your NHS appointment in March? That way your medication will be on prescription and cheaper?

I think that after three months of a private prescription, a doctor can prescribe the medication for you… I’m not 100% but I’m sure it’s something like that.

Funnily enough I have my follow up tomorrow should get the results of my biopsy. Mine seems to calmed down for now. I have been on my medication for around three months, and it seems to have slowed the scaling. I have been using some hair oils such a Champoo and UK lash too and taking some hair vitamins that were recommended. The antibiotic I was prescribed ended about a month ago, which I was pleased about that I didn’t like taking a regular antibiotic. I’m going to ask not to be prescribed that again if possible. So I guess we will have to wait and see what tomorrow brings.

Kareah · 06/02/2023 22:59

I’m glad your treatment is helping and fingers crossed you have good news at your follow-up. I’ll check back on the thread or you can PM me if you like. It’s actually really nice to have someone to talk to who understands.

I don’t have an NHS dermatology appointment yet, the letter I got said I am on a wait list and to not call to ask where I am on the waitlist until after 18th of March.

So I scraped together money to go for private consult on 2 Feb. She’s sent a letter to my GP today asking them to prescribe so it can be on NHS as I have a prepayment certificate. I plan to call tomorrow to ask after the prescriptions.

What she has prescribed are:

  1. Hibiscrub to be used in shower 2/3x a week as tolerated
  2. Betnovate scalp application once daily to inflamed skin until symptoms improved (max 4 weeks continuous use)
  3. Lymecycline 480mg once daily for 3 months

A silver lining is the stuff I’ve been reading about it says no genetic/family links. So I don’t have to worry about my DCs coming down with this because of my poor genes!

PurpleJam2234 · 07/02/2023 06:19

Hi ladies!

I’m so sorry I haven’t replied before now, life with a baby, this condition and trying to go back to work (self employed PT!) has been pretty manic!

As I’m sure you are all aware, this condition is pretty distressing. How are you all holding up emotionally?

So I’ve seen two different derms and basically thrown my life savings at the problem at the mo. I do have an NHS derm appointment at the beginning of April too.

I’ve been using the following:

  • Betacap Steroid Solution
  • Protopic ointment mixed in with almond oil, rosemary oil and pumpkin seed oil
  • hairmax light therapy every other day
  • Supplements: tumeric, probiotic, biotin, ferrous sulphate, zinc and anti-histamine.
  • AIP diet to reduce overall inflammation in my system.

At the moment one of the derms thinks it is under control, so put me on maintenance versions of my prescriptions, but I am not without symptoms yet so still think something is going on.

One of the derms prescribed Lymecycline as well but I was breastfeeding so didn’t take it yet.

I am due to see one in 2.5 weeks and one at the start of March so will keep you guys posted.

In terms of hair loss, I have a chart measuring what I lost (sounds intense buts it’s all pretty simple and makes me feel like I have proper data to talk to the derms about) and when I thought the baby hair lose was get better it was actually over 250 hairs a day and now it’s down to about 80. Which makes me think the baby hair loss is finally improving and maybe the treatment is helping too?

If you are feeling like there aren’t many of us. There is an amazing Facebook group called “LPP put the fire out”. I’ve learnt SO much from the group and they are all incredibly supportive.

People post from emotional stuff to practical things like what drugs work and why etc.

There is a lot of talk in the last few years about LDN which is a relatively safe drug (very minimal side effects compared to the others) which I know people who’ve requested it from their derms as it’s not really mainstream and it’s really helped their LPP. The drug is known to regulate disfunctional immune systems, which is what is happening to us!

Anyway, I promise to try and check this more! Thinking of you all, I know how horrendous this truly is. Xxx

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PurpleJam2234 · 07/02/2023 06:58

I also meant to say, my private derm wrote to my NHS GP nursery and asked them to prescribe my treatment. Which they did! X

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Kareah · 07/02/2023 08:44

PurpleJam2234 · 07/02/2023 06:58

I also meant to say, my private derm wrote to my NHS GP nursery and asked them to prescribe my treatment. Which they did! X

That’s great news! I will be sure to use this to pressure my GP when I call today about getting what I was prescribed. 😉

Kareah · 07/02/2023 08:59

@PurpleJam2234
As I’m sure you are all aware, this condition is pretty distressing. How are you all holding up emotionally?. Like you, pretty distressed. I was just getting used to seeing silver in my hair (I am late 40s) and it’s depressing to think I won’t get to have a white/silver mane of hair like my mum and aunties had but rather might be bald or wearing a wig. I’m also throwing money at this and am quite willing to even go into debt on my credit card and pay it off slow if it comes to that.

I thought the baby hair lose was get better it was actually over 250 hairs a day and now it’s down to about 80. Which makes me think the baby hair loss is finally improving and maybe the treatment is helping too?. That sounds very encouraging…I think we lose a # every day even when healthy not sure what the normal # is though.

Supplements: tumeric, probiotic, biotin, ferrous sulphate, zinc and anti-histamine.. Thank you for this! It’s made me realise that I need probiotics at the very least once I get that antibiotic as it will destroy my good gut bacteria.

I hope you also have good news in a couple of weeks. I’m hoping to start treatment by the end of the week and will update the thread. I really hope we can beat this disease into remission and keep our hair.

Meera8 · 06/05/2023 08:38

Hi All, new to this thread. I've just been to Philip Kingsley's and have been told that I could also have LLP.

How are you all getting on?

Anything work?

Would love to know your updates.

Thank you.

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