Dec 08- Must keep chocolate & cheerfulness near, teething time is nearly here!

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Right.... back to post the link now!

It is about a 10 minute walk between the station and the city centre veggie, so bring a waterproof or brolly. I think I'll end up taking the sling as the pram is going to be too clumbersome on the train as you say veggie. I'll have to tuck DD's legs into my coat to keep her dry! Although on the other hand is it worth a bit of faff getting on/off the train so I don't have to carry the nappy bag and my purchases around . Decisions, decisions .

kayz What are you going to cook?

I've named changed - inspired by my DH and Veggie.....btw its me Daisy

Spot: I'm so sorry to hear about your sister, it seems so unfair . Re: the doc, I would seriously suggest asking for a female GP the next time you make an appointment, all the women at that practise are pretty good and the receptionists are used to women asking to see a female GP. The male doctors seem to range from competent to clueless with Mr Arsey in a category all of his own...

Love the name changes

Hoping for a better night tonight after another feedathon from 12-5 last night . And the inevitable row with DH in the morning.

Better go -supper about to burn!

Hello everyone... back to my old name again. I felt that Glenn suits my all singing, all dancing self but I'm more sober (in every sense) today so I've reverted.

Spot, I am so sorry about your sister. It must be so very sad for her and for you all.

Ros, I love the new name as I have a Tilly at home (DD2). Daisy, loving yours too, but would have loved Daisy myself if things had been different

Jump, I thought that passage from WMD was lovely and I adore the idea of us all absorbing each other's experiences and supporting each other. We are like a blanket to snuggle up in, aren't we?

Kayz, I am sorry about DS's neck, but I suspect it is just a gland. Is he unwell at the moment? Splendid weight for D though, well done you!

Sorry, my brain is having real trouble retaining anything I have read. Keep loooking back. I hope this doesn't read as vaguely as it feels.

Sorry about your boob, Trace, hope soon better. Hip sounds annoying for you as well, you poor thing.

Summer, I find if I pump regularly I get more. I feed M in th enight on the R boob as I like him to sleep on the outside edge of the bed, and if I haven't fed off the L boob for about 10 hours, I get between 4 and 6oz. Not that I get 10h sleep you understand (before I am ejected from the thread!) but I save my L boob for pumping as I need a supply for my return to work.

Respect JB on the teeth. We have lots of dribble but nothign to show for it.

Hello LadyT, glad all well with 'im indoors again.

Veg, I take my hat off to you darling for managing alone so often and so well. Arti, glad you are finding flying solo with 2 manageable as well.

Lal, that Brahms is one of my favourites. Nearly had DD2 to that, but DH said you can't be born to a requiem (and he's right. I was on drugs at the time of course). She was eventually born to BRahms 4, so I fill up whenever it's on the radio.

Hello Nolda, PMK, Verso and everyone else I've missed. Sorry not more personals. M is feeding for hours in the night at the moment, so I am jiggered beyond belief (and not in a good way. No jiggery pokery here - Daisy I am shocked at Mr Daisy's request. Fellow co sleepers, how do you set the mood when your bedroom is so devoted to babies and there is one in the bed?)

Was planning on coming to meet up tomorrow but will have to see how it goes tonight. There is no preschool or playgroup this week so I may have to use my (relatively) child free day to catch up on sleep / jobs. I will of course attend the MN BBQ / disco with my karaoke trousers and disco shoes firmly on.

Aaaaadebyyyyyoooorrrrrr adebyyyyyyooorrrrrrrr. Are you watching Kayz!

Sorry to be missing the meetup tomorrow, but am looking forward to Thursday's! Am wondering whether to drive to York or catch the train now, anyone know what the parking's like there?

Phew?.a very ropey couple of days Chez Mom. Please let it be teething and not just my life for the foreseeable future! Poor DS seems very out of sorts?very fragile?smiling one minute and screaming the next. He has been chewing on everything within reach so here?s hoping for TEETH soon. He also had his 8 week jabs today (he?s 16 weeks?.oops?delinquent mom) but that doesn?t explain yesterday?s dramas unfortunately.

One tip that I read ? maybe on this thread, or maybe elsewhere ? is to freeze a damp flannel and let them chew on that. He loves it!

My DS has also decided to abandon the bottle. Noooooo! He has never been great with the bottle, but would always take a few ounces. The last few days, no dice. Screaming and rejecting the bottle outright. I am selfishly panic-stricken at the thought of not being able to leave him for more than a few hours while I am still breast-feeding. I have read everyone?s tips about trying different bottles?rushed out today to buy Nuk teats, and also have a place nearby to get the Playtex ones later this week.

spot - Really sorry to hear about your sister. My best friend has been trying to conceive for 18 months now and it makes it really hard to support her when I was lucky enough to get pregnant fairly easily. So so difficult and very sad for your sister.

WG - I had the exact same problem as you a couple of weeks ago. Insomnia after the first night feed. One of the nights I was literally up from 12-5 when DS decided to start his day. Luckily DH was around and able to take him for 1.5 hours in the morning so I could catch up on a bit of kip. I was demented with exhaustion and I think it made the insomnia worse?not sleeping because I was stressed about not sleeping! Only thing that worked was getting out of bed once I realized I was not falling back to sleep ? TV, radio, Mnet, anything not to toss and turn and get furious trying to sleep! After about 5 nights I was suddenly able to sleep again.

Kayz - Hope things are okay with your DS after the Dr visit. I also liked your letter re: your midwife. Can?t believe how much things vary across the NHS re: breastfeeding ? at the hospital where I gave birth people almost complain about the opposite problem of being too militant about breastfeeding (i.e. that they aren?t allowed to leave the hospital until they prove baby is latching on well). It is great that you are taking the time to write to help another mother in a similar situation in the future.

It is DH?s birthday today but he said he was working late so I planned to graze on leftovers rather than cooking. Then he called to say that he would be home by 7:00 and sounded disappointed that I didn?t have a birthday dinner planned for him. Men!

LadyT - I really understood your frustration with your DH last week. I have been scared at the depths of anger I have felt for my DH since having DS. We used to be like best friends so it makes me sad that tensions are running so high. Sometimes I just don?t think he gets it. Newsflash: We have a baby now! My life has completely changed beyond all recognition (my job, my body, my state of mind, etc.) and he is still cruising along like he always has. Working late, meeting friends for drinks, etc. I would never tell him outright that he should be home more often, but I would like to think that he would want to be as involved a father as possible. Sometimes I?m not sure that is the case.

Urg?.I never post, but when I do my posts are always way too long!

Looking forward to meeting some of you tomorrow at the London meet-up. Hoping I don?t have to flee in shame due to DS?s incessant shouting!

JB that is hilarious about your grandparents!!! I have promised DH lots of sugar because of going on the Ibiza mamaheaven, the great thing is it's not exactly a chore, but because after I ds1 I went off it big time (3 times in 9 months!!!!) he thinks the rate he's getting it now is very regular. Currently he has had a grand total of 4 spoons of sugar. But def better than last time from my perspective I have much better libido just a bit tired. Is the TMI?

Effie you sound really shattered are you ok? How is ds1?

Love name changes I'm going to change mine in the near future have settled on a new name and all just waiting til after York meet up, not sure why.

Syb I'm amazed you remember the track that was playing for ds1 all I know is it was classical and that's because DH remembered but he never knows any of the titles, for ds2 I had turned it off as music was annoying me for some reason I think I found it distracting.

sugarration loving the new name!

veggie how's the football? Going well I'm guessing!

Mom it will get better between you and DH, my DH & I went through all this and like you we were so tight before ds1 came along. I even feared for friends who didn't have as good relationships as what DH & I have as I thought they would never last a baby. In the end for DH and I the improvement came when we were getting more sleep and also I read WMD. Suddenly I was able to express what I was feeling to DH and it clicked for him and he really understood things from my perspective. I also think the other thing is to try to keep your respect for DH, you will inevitably say nasty and disrepectful things in the heat of the moment but have the respect to come back and apologize for it and explain where it was coming from (otherwise they may think you are mental).

Hooray Arsenal won and also cross country have released some cheap first class tickets for the trip to York. The times aren't quite what I wanted but will choose them cos I love love love first class on the train. It will mean I can take the pushchair as there is loads of room to store it in first so ds2 will sleep better. It does mean I'll be a bit late as the train gets in at 12.29 and will not be coming back til 6.30pm but will give us loads of time to see the museum and get ds2 some tea to eat on the train on the way home. It is so light late now so will be fine coming home then I think. If ds2 has had good sleeps in the pushchair that will help so he won't go mental if he's not in his bath by 6!!! He's a boy who like routine that's for sure.

It was a draw Tilly (I love that name) so we take an away goal to the Emirates yay!!!!!

Oh I wrote that Arsenal won sorry Kayz not true.

Also those with bottle concerns I haven't tried this but my BfN supervisor suggested a beaker cup that has a hard curved spout and no valve then you can get them to put their mouth around it and keep their tongue down. Greenbaby has one which is called a learned cup (can't do a link as on the itouch) unfortunately it doesn't show the spout on the webpage but if you live near a greenbaby you can have a look.

Hello girls

Well, another hectic 36 hours chez LT. Good dinner last night, really pepped me up on the work front; cab to Lords to watch the boys bowl at each other for 20 mins then straight off to get the last train from Padders to the country. And there was a problem on the line so there was a crazy bus link for some of it so got back really late. Today was Mamas and Papas in Northampton as we had to chose a cot for DD - she has only ever had a moses basket and despite being one of the oldest on here, she is still in it....

All these name changes!

Syb, I am glad you stuck with SF as I have only just come to terms with the change from CM! Oh please come tomorrow...haven't seen you for ages.

Mom, it will be nice to meet you. So who is going to the York meet up then? Kayz, Trace, Jolly, Zo and (have I got this right?) Veggie? What fun.

Jolly and Lal - yes, agree about spending ill gotten gambling gains on an actual ITEM but I treat myself so disgracefully often anyway that I can't justify it. Maybe I will buy something in Bilbao.

Tilly - that sounds like a hurtful phase your DS is going through. I know nothing about child psychology but do you think it is misplaced anger about DS2 that he doesn't know how to express, ie that he hasn't got you to himself any more? Looking at it another way, the fact that he can reject you would seem to suggest he is very sure of your love for him and that is obviously a good thing. I hope you have a lovely rest at your Mum's.

Arti, I just loved the poo story. Wow. I remember you telling us about her pooing in the pub as well, I think. Magnificent. What fun to remind her when she is a chic young lady about town.

Kayz, I thought your letter was good and clear. I am sorry you haven't been treated well, it does make me cross.

Veggie - weren't you having your hair cut today? I meant to have my roots done before Bilbao and I haven't had time, groan.

PMK - how are you feeling now? Will we see you tomorrow?

Spot - I am so sorry to hear about your sister. That is very very sad. 34 is the cut off for egg donation for blood relatives? Gosh. What about for private clinics? Sometimes they bend the rules. It must be very hard for her, poor girl

Daisy, you know everyone will end up calling you Sugar

JJ - that was a nice bit from the book...Will be good to see you tomorrow. Will miss Turnip and WG. Verso, are you coming? Nolda, you came to one that I didn't go to, didn't you? Hope you come again to one. I was thinking, a lot of people are going back to work so we should make hay whilst the sun shines with the meet ups.

I wonder how the lovely Bisou is getting on?

Summer, I would take your DH's geeky mates over that idiot downstairs anyday. He is very arrogant and public schooly and says "Yah!" a lot.

Very neglectful and haven't caught up due to easter school hols. Save to say - Spot so so sorry about your sis.

And yes, JJ I read that line in What Mothers Do and it is what we do. This thread makes me feel positive about women supporting each other and reminds me in RL to say supportive things to other mothers.

WG lovely to see you in the toilets at Finsbury Park. Beautiful, aren't they

Off to Willow Farm tomorrow. We went last Easter Monday and it blardy SNOWED....hoping for more clement weather this time.

Will try and see what you are all up to now.

xpost LadyT have you exchanged on your house? Hope all good with you cherie.

HI all - very quick one as I had zero sleep last night. B woke every 2 hours or more really upset since the jabs etc plus the cold he already had. Seems a lot better today, so hopefully tonight he will sleep through (prob quite optomistic)
Thanks for asking - I am a bit better today too, so hopefully I can get a bit more sleep tonight, and then will be coming to the park providing it's not another disasterous night, and he and I feel ok in the morn!
Not sure whether to bring the buggy or not as I'll be tubing it, and carrier seems easier?
Must sleep now and catch up tomrrow / later

Hello Turnip nice to hear from you. Hope weather is ok for you this Easter then.

Lady that sounds all very hectic but nice you could see your boys. I did have my hair done today cut looks ok so I can wear it out of a pony tail for a few weeks but the colour doesn't seem as obvious as I'd hoped, I think my hair has become very dark in the last few years and it needs a very hardcore colour to show up iyswim.

Yes I'm going to the York meeting was coming to the London one as DH down there for work but didn't fancy staying down there in the end as we would be out at Park Royal so decided to take ds1 up to the York model railway museum as have promised him for a while now and figured the meet up day was as good a time as any.

Morning,

DS1 isn't unwell at all so not expecting lump to be anything to worry about. But to be on the safe side I'm getting it checked.

Jolly We are going to cook a turkey roast dinner. It'll probably be similar to an xmas dinner. Never done it before so should be fun.

Really looking forward to tomorrow. I hope all of you meeting today have a lovely time!!

Just a quick >wave< as I have been asked to go into work today for a meeting. (Some confusion over dates, but as it was partly my fault I can't blame them (!)) so I won't be able to make the meet up today. Please post lots of photos!

Like the post re WMD/baskets - I remember that bit and agree. Group hugathon etc. Send me a hug or three as my nights have reverted to their extreme atrociousness. Hey ho.

Hello All,

spot forgot to post yesterday that I was so to hear about your sister. It must be really tough for her right now.

Had a god damned awful night as I think DS has a cold, he woke at midnight and then again from 3ish, and basically I haven't slept since. First he couldn't settle because he was snotty, then he wanted a feed but fell asleep after a couple of minutes, then he burped, and it just went on and on till about 5.30. Then DD up at 6, and huge row with DH soon followed....he has been away since 5! He doesn't know how he'll get through the day. He wants to know why I couldn't settle DS. Fuck me if I knew why he wouldn't settle I wouldn't have been up all night Lets just say sugar isn't rationed at the moment its gone on 'gardening leave'.

Sorry for ranting (and swearing) but at least on here I know that you all know how I feel right now and that is so comforting. If I rang a RL friend now they'd probably think I've lost the plot!!!

kayz hope you get on at the Dr's okay with DS1

Everyone enjoy the meet up today

sorry your night was bad Verso . Another 2 hr waking night for us (sigh) but we co-slept so I got some sleep between times.

Looking forward to the meet-up today, looks lovely out there. DS1 tantrumming away over breakfast cereal so he could do with a run in the park - we'll be there mid-morning I think.

verso, effie & daisy sorry you had bad nights

My night wasn't too bad considering. Ds2 woke up at 3 & seemed to be on the verge of settling himself, but then dh rolled over & ds2 woke up properly. So think its time for him to be in his own room.

ladyt enjoy Bilbao! Thank you for your words re ds1, I know dcs tend to push boundaries with their parents as its a safe environment to do so, so it is probably similar to that.

Am looking forward to the York meetup tomorrow, also trying to figure out the best way of transporting ds2, pushchair or carrier?!
veggie we might also go to the railway museum if you don't mind us tagging along! Just depends on trains & how we're getting to the station!

Tilly There are some good park and rides around york if you want to drive.

Tilly where are you coming from? I was going to suggest Park and Ride too! There are quite a few and it's £2.50 ish per adult and kids are free, whereas the car parks charge a fortune. The cheapest one is Fossbank at 70p per hour but the rest are about 1.60 per hour - and they all fill up pretty early.
I'm very excited.

sugar - sorry about you dh ...again. . don't apologize to us - that's what the basket is here for

Verso, Effie, Daisy and Tilly sorry about your bad nights.

Spot so very sorry to hear about your sister .

Very of those going to the meet up today. LadyT I will try to come to another one. This week is a busy one and DS has his jabs this morning. I hope you all have a lovely time .

Arti the yum, yum does make DS swallow a little milk but he just chews on the teat like your DD. I fear I've missed my chance. For selfish reasons I would so like him to take a bottle. We're having an early celebration for my 40th bithday on Monday (real birthday not till beginning of May) and we're going to a swanky restaurant for lunch. I would love to be able to wear a dress without having to nip to the ladies to feed DS if necessary.