Sept 08 - Is it day or night?

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Hope no one minds me starting a new thread?

notcitrus with my ds1, i did the dream feeds quite regularly. but with ds2, i'm finding it to be the same experience as you are having: not very comfortable. and i, too, am spending an hour after night feeds to burp and coax back to sleep. ((sometimes, when i finally get him to burp, he thinks hes ready for a top up!!! very exhausted/tired face here

i have a can of sma handy, as i've had to top him up with a ff on occasion. and is helped at times! but i think the ff top ups are becoming more of a last feed of the night/emergency thing. its your choice, ultimately, NC. it has helped me.

ds1 starts nursery this week, only 2 full days a week but it will help with a more stable routine for him. plus, the nursery helps with potty training. so whether or not he's ready, he will at least have the encouragement from seeing other kids using the training potties. i personally think he was ready for training at 22 months, but with baby arriving we thought best to leave it. and seeing how ds1 is handling ds2 being here, im glad i waited.

anyone else with kids that aren't taking to the new arrival too well? ds1 is 24m now, isnt wanting to cause harm (i dont think) just stays his distance & tries to out-scream ds2, blanks me completely when im holding ds2, , and a few other little things. its very sad and i hope its just a phase.

stumbled upon this silly site...just for a little parental laugh.

sorry to hear it's been so tough Leonie. I do wonder how you mothers of more than one child cope! Is there any friends/family who could take dd1 to school so that u can have a lie in?

Also I wanted to share last night's discovery: radio tuned to White noise makes ds fall asleep in minutes!

NC if you persevere w/ bfing lying down, maybe not everytime you find your own method. over time the baby gets bigger, more head and body control and you become more adept and the aches go. a friend of mine has a 5 mo old and w 3 other kids, feeding in bed is a big way she can get rest and feed. having dd2, i am relearning cosleeping w a small one and feel achey too some mornings.

that made me giggle muwahahamum

Tried expressing last night from non-mastitisy boob and only got 40ml. So that's gone in the freezer.
Tried again today about midday while DS was feeding from the red boob, got a bit more - 60ml. But that's still not as much as it says to feed a 9lb'er on the back of the Cow & Gate powder pack.

Is EBM more calorific than formula? Or should i only express first thing in the morning after DS has fed?

Also, I don't know if it's because I've expressed once today or if it's a coincidence but DS seems to be feeding for ages and still not getting satisfied.

We're going to try a EBM bottle feed tonight to see if he'll take to the bottle, so at least I know that at some point in the next couple of weeks I can go out without DS for more than a couple of hours.

pacita DS hasn't wet the bed since he was 6 weeks (he's now 7 weeks). We still have a towel underneath him in our bed though, just in case.

NC What happens if you don't wind your DS after a feed? I only burp DS after a bedfeed if he's uncomfortable, but he quite often burps/farts lying down. Foxy's right, as they get older they learn to position themselves more so you don't have to contort your body.

oh, i never burp dd. burping according to tiktok is a waste of time for bf babies. t'is a cultural more. i am a lazy feck and have tested out the theory!

I'm so cross with ds, which is ridiculous as he's only 3 weeks old, but I've had to wake him for all his feeds (except 1) today and he just won't wake, but I know at 9:30pm he'll be bright as a button! I am a big routine fan so I'm waking him for feeds and trying to keep him awake for little bits during the day (we did see his eyes this morning!) and doing everything from 7pm-7am upstairs, quietly in the dark, to try and teach him day from night. Have had very few opportunities to get him to self-settle though as he's usually already asleep!

I'm so thankful to the people who think my neighbour is unreasonable! I nearly started an AIBU thread but am too emotionally fragile for if anyone said I am being unreasonable! We've moved dd's room round anyway, so now her wardrobes are on the party wall as some sort of attempt at insulating the sound, but that leave's dd's cot next to a window and a radiator. Radiator off and window shut and dd is 18 months so I'm sure its ok.

Now off to wake ds with a bath so he'll hopefully take a nice full feed after...and then be wide awake no doubt!

Pacita do you make sure your ds's (ahem) 'bits' are pointing down in the nappy? That's one thing I had to learn with having a boy!

foxy I burp ds if, after a feed I lie him down and he does a high pitch scream. I sit him up, he burps like a man after a pint and a curry, then we're all good.

digi - sometimes after a feed he just goes to sleep, but more usually grouches after spitting the nipple out repeatedly.But usually when he dozes off, he'll then wake 15 min later yowling in his 'uncomfortable' way.

i know some people claim bf babies don't need burping but they seem to be outnumbered by those claiming theirs do. He's not as bad as in the first 2 weeks, i thought he didn't need it any more, but he really does.
do non-burpers just leave their babies to howl and contort, or are they lucky enough to have babies that digest happily?

aha, nc the thing is, after a feed, i have dd upright most times as she is either in a sling or in my arms or someone else's, i'm sfraid. i'm used to carrying children a lot. i do use a bouncy chair/playmat w/ mobile etc as they get older...

I used to think I needed to burp my DD because she used to scream during/after feeds, never once got her to burp so gave up completely. She does actually burp of her own accord every now and again, probably due to the Infacol. I came to the conclusion that her screams were due to discomfort not related to wind.

foxy - that's fine during the day when I can balance him on my lap (not strong enough to hold him up much, hence the lots of posting here as can do that at the same time...)

But not much fun at night.

I remember Infacol about half the time - not sure it helps but it's there and he's getting used to a new taste (gone from disgust to quite likeing it, i think)

anyone ever wondered why infacol is orange flavoured????? Why has someone gone to the bother of putting a flavour in it when babies only know 1 flavour???

debbie, maybe it's orange flavoured cos the makers had a sense of humour and liked the faces babies pull when given it...

muwahahamum that had DP and me in stitches!!

I try to burp DD, but sometimes, if she falls asleep, or if after 15 mins of trying I get no results, I just leave it. If then she needs to, she def lets me know! might sound a bad mum, but I find hilarious the face she pulls when I give her the infacol

carrion how do u get them to self settle? Ds is driving me nuts!

okay, so like yesterday, and the day before, I've been sitting on the sofa since half six feeding with the odd 10 minute break. And like yesterday and the day before around 11ish baby starlight threw up what appears to be half a pint of milk, drenching all my clothes to the extent I have to strip off

BTW: She's found her thumb just this minute - so cute

Hi all glad to hear the babies are all doing well. Have been able to catch up reading on here every few days but never get the chance to post! Alfie is now 2 weeks old, he mostly only wakes once in the night however last night it took 2 hours of feeding and then he settled for 15 minutes before needing another feed! Is he having a growth spurt or just being really inefficient at feeding?!! He falls asleep after about 15 mins so i wind him and then change sides, after 40 mins or so i try putting him down- he wakes almost instantly.

I feel very lucky though, with ds1 i struggled to bf and he woke every 2 hours for months. Alfie has taken to feeding really well and sleeps quite well. Although he didnt sleep at all yesterday from 5pm to 9.30pm- just wanted to feed.

every so often i get a tingly pain in one or both breasts- am starting to think its the let down reflex- does anyone else get a pain with it? I just have to rub breasts to try to make it better!

Will try to post a bit more often from now on!!

plus1 my ds2 is just over the 2 week post, and i was wondering the same about the growth spurt. last night was one of the worst nights ((so far)) for feeding/sleeping. ds2 wouldn't settle unless being held tight in our arms, at an angle. but when i put him down flat, he would be awake in an instant. we tried burping, but i suspect it was more of a trapped wind in the lower bit of him.

time for the infacol, perhaps?

today, dh has returned to work and i'm home with the toddler & newborn.

oh good glad its not just me!! Just found this too

"Most babies will experience "frequency days," when they want to breastfeed more than usual. This need to breastfeed more often generally lasts a few days to a week, followed by a return to a less frequent feeding pattern. We don't really have a complete understanding of this phenomenon, but the frequency days do seem to coincide with times of faster growth and thus the more common name of "growth spurts" has been adopted.

Growth spurts seem to occur most commonly around one to three weeks, six to eight weeks, three months and six months of age. Like most milestones, these time frames are just guidelines.

Trust what your baby is telling you about her need to breastfeed more frequently and follow her feeding cues. As long as you are not restricting your baby's access to the breast, your milk supply should be adequate."

so i guess i'll just see what happens and hope my nipples dont drop off

plus1 thanks for that quote, it's really reassuring, as sometimes my LO will feed for an hour, then want food again half an hour later. Last night, luckily, he fed every 3 hours and seemed quite content...Till the next growth spurt!

Where is the quote from?

Right, I don't want anyone to think I'm posting this for any other reason than to give hope to all those who are struggling with night feeds. Samuel is 8 weeks tomorrow. Saturday night he slept from his 11pm feed until 7.36am, last night until 6.05am when he cried, did an enormous poo, had a little feed & went back to sleep til 8am!! He goes to bed at 7-7.15pm without fail, otherwise I wouldn't get anything else done. So, depsite my boobs feeling like they're going to explode when I wake up & leaking everywhere, take heart, it gets better, it really does!!

its from ivillage?? here

jen sounds god, cant wait!!! Am also dreaming of those far off saturday mornings when both boys get up and come downstairs to watch tv without waking mummy and daddy not that i'm trying to wish time away tho...

plus1 The tingly feeling is let down. A good time to express if not about to feed.

Also if you can concentrate on how you FEEL when it happens you may be able to trigger it yourself which is a mighty handy tool for efficient expressing!