Feb 08 - Never mind my wrinkly tum, look what's come out of my baby's bum!

[Gill79]

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Thank you Egg! I knew I wasn't the only one who thought Roger Black was v sexy back then! I'm glad things are getting easier for you now - can't imagine how hard it must have been with 2 babies and a toddler! And I agree boys are fab and I feel very lucky to have 3! However if I had 3 girls or a mixture of the 2 I would feel just as lucky because I really do feel so fortunate to have 3 healthy/happy children. (sorry for the soppiness but I have been a bit sentimental and over emotional since I had ds3 for some reason.

Ds3 has settled really well into his own room. On Friday night I started trying to settle him back down during the night without feeding him as I was finding he was feeding in the night then not hungry in the morning. I think I've been picking him up too soon because I was worried he would start screaming and wake everyone up but actually if you leave him he just does a bit of grunting and sucking his thumb. Anyway last night there was only a few minutes of grunting and I didn't even have to go into him - he was in his bed from 6.45pm until 6.30am! Unfortuneately I was up twice with ds2 who dreamt that robots with flashing yellow lights were in his room. It's such a treat to have my room back again - had a happy time pottering around in my room then reading in bed last night.

Gill - I can feel my arteries hardening just reading that recipe!! My friend gave me a recipe for another chocolate fridge cake which is yummy the other day but I'm trying to resist making it because I know I'll just eat far too much of it.

We got some money from our parents for our anniversary so we went to a ceramic place here and imprinted the boys footprints onto a clay rectangular plate. They paint the feet and put the names/ages beside each so I'm really looking forward to seeing how it comes out. We've just had a curry and I'm now having some fizzy wine - bliss!!

hi i'm back i'm back.
bean, really sorry to hear your news, heartbreaking stuff.
sorry for all of you with the vomming. was really gutted couldn't go to the meet up-but maybe not quite so envious now. i vow that no matter what it takes i will get to the next one.
egg you must be so chuffed being well on the way to one out of nappies. can't wait. i insisted on putting both kids in reusables last night but forgot the extra night time bits so had to change pj's grobags sheets and mattress protectors this am, and dh not amused to be dealing with mammoth poo disaster with reusable nappy at 5am either-had to put ds in bath.
we had a brilliant holiday. first few days were a bit tricky as both dd and ds not sleeping, cue massive bickering from both parents.once dd slept better big improvement. ds is officially huge. all the french people kept saying 'comme il est grasse' which i'm pretty sure means wow he's a real fatty. the biggest triumph of the holiday apart from getting lashed and almost falling off my chair laughing with my mates for the first time since 3 summers ago, was that when we missed our plane on sunday afternoon and had to wait 5 hours in airport for next one and pay for it all we didn't have a single row. i feel like i should get a u n peace award. hope ended up running up and down the departure lounge at 10pm in her pyjamas with a manic look in her eyes (could have been the medised) evil mummy! and it didn't work obviously.
only huge disaster was that i had a ginormous row with my mum the last morning. never had row like that with her before. and in front of the babies who looked horrified. she had a go at dh the night before because of something i'd said about my brother over dinner with our mates. he briefed me that night and we practiced what i was going to say the next day. did i stick to my lines...sadly not. went mental at her when she attacked me. entirely lost plot including telling her that she is so aggressive after a few glasses of wine that no one in the familly will call her after 7.30 at night-it is true though. also was waving huge knife around at same time in alarming manner as was cutting melon for kids. we basically haven't spoken since and i feel like i've been punched in the stomach every time i think about her. trouble is it's all complicated by her bf being a total prick. and lo keeps saying 'when will we see granny'. sorry, trivial compared to beans family disaster and long winded.
bean i love your son saying that loos were only for pooing.
on the plus side ferdie went for his post meningitis check up for his hearing and they think he's doing ok (although not v responsive on the left side)the tests were so basic .will check again in 3 months. tomorrow have check with paediatrician and more blood tests i think unfortunately-but hopefully the last.

Oh princess, i hope u manage to sort things out with your mum,

Glad you had a nuice holiday though!!! Fancy missing your flight!!!!!!!

Egg i am good thanks, glad i wasn't the only one who though basihstoke was a real idea!!!!1{silly me emoction}

DD is teething terribly- cannot wait for her to cut her tooth she seems in awful pain but is generally happy!!!

DS is now totally dry at night, been a few weeks now with only a couple of accidents so thats good,

Work is great, however DH has booked a 5 day break for 8th sept (mom to fri)and i cannot get the time off-(they only allow 4 people annual leave per shidt and its all booked til november- and has been since i started) don't know what to do- do i say sorry wont be in, tuff poo!!! or fone in siok for a week(would rather not as i hate lying and do a terrible job of it), or what????? what would u lot do??

Off to bed now, worked hard tonight and am exhausted

Well done on not feeding in the night Rozzy. I always lose my nerve to try it but he's still in the same room as us and anyway I think it just wouldn't work.

Well don't want to tempt fate but DS has now been in bed (his bed!) for about an hour and not a peep.

Princess - your holiday sounds exciting! Must have been having a great time to miss your flight. Hope you sort things out with your mum - are you going to make the first move do you think?

Sarah I don't know what to suggest, except you probably won't enjoy your holiday due to being too guilty and stressed if you phone in sick. Maybe just tell them you need to have a family holiday before November! It's not that much to ask I don't think. What do you think would happen if you forced the issue?

Oh BTW I thougt Basingstoke was for real too. Although did think it was a bit of a crp idea

Gill - I only put ds in his own room last night. I started trying not to feed him in the night on Friday night when dh was on a night shift so it was only me being disturbed anyway! The first couple of nights it was harder because it meant I was up for an hour at a time rather than the 10 minutes I would normally be up and I did end up feeding him around 5am both nights due to exhaustion. On Sunday night I was again away to feed him around 5am, lay down with him and got my boob out only for him to stick his thumb in his mouth and fall asleep - reassured me I wasn't starving him. I found though that he never really properly cried when I left him - just the odd shout when his thumb escaped from his mouth! You have to do what's right for you though and it sounds like it's maybe not the right time to do this with Malcolm if you're struggling to get him to sleep in his own bed.

Good to see you back princess!

hello all. dd is snotty too. i fish the bogies out with the rounded edge of a hair slide. there is undoubtedly a really sound medical reason why this is unsafe practice - but it does seem to work a treat. there's a real hook and pull motion to it .

i used to have a huge crush on roger black. my mate was a steve backley fan and i'm fairly sure we both cut pics out of newspapers of em to stick on bedroom walls... tho' i could be confusing that bit with my andre aggassi phase. now that i'm embaressed about.

egg - are you saying that jacob is refusing esther's courting gift? she'll be most upset! really tho', esther doesnt even know it exists. her memory sucks

well dd has gone mental. really crazy. we had friends stay for the weekend, a v busy house full of kids and dogs. they went yesterday but she's not settled since they arrived. screaming herself awake at night, crying whenever dh or i out of sight, unable to stay awake for a couple of hours without going bonkers. ho hum. if she were the second or third or fourth child, she be used to a bit of mayhem. i need to mayhemise her. our friends kids were really full on with her. but really i dont want to be an arsehole and ask them to back off. tres pfb. also i dont really know how to say these things right, you know? of course, i might be reading this all wrong and she might just be bonkers for no good reason.

Gill - i have no idea what eould be said if i forced the issue, but the supervisor i have is a real pita- like to be in authority weven if she is wrong!!!she is not approachable- ( i have got fri nite off due to a family party- have had to take it a unpaid leave as there are already 4 people off and she has a few snide words at the start and end of each shift- to make me feel guilty and back down)

speaking to a few of the girls it seems when there were half the number of staff that we have now still only 4 people were allowed annual leave so dont see why the number allowed has not increased!!!! its so frustrating and i could take it as unpaid leave if i reallt caused a fuss but the problem with that is when am i going to get chance to use up my annual leave if there is no space and i canniot carry it to next year!!!!!!{angry}

It was so much easier to be a SAHM- really is getting to me now!!!!!!

You were the first back at work of all of us weren't you Sarah? So many people end up leaving work again I think but it's not always an option! If there are twice as many staff with half the opportunities for leave surely this means you're all really restricted about when you can take your holidays? How frustrating. Well,if your supervisor is unapproachable and a PITA it sounds like you've already got a bad relationship with her so you;ve got nothing lose by forcing it! (unless they threaten you with the sack and then you can make a decision). Good luck with it!

Well we got off to a great start last night as DS slept from 8.30 through to 11.30 before waking for a feed. He went straight back down again but then developed this really awful tickly cough. He coughed for about half an hour before waking himself up, then started singing away to himself, me and DP lying in bed in state of great anxiety wondering what was coming. Of course it turned into shouting and then screaming and DP ended up taking him through to the front room to calm down, bought him back to bed at 1am and I tried to feed him again but he was not at all interested, just wanted to wriggle around, sit up and play. So we let him cry for long enough to tire himself out and then I managed to feed him and send him to sleep by about 2.
He was up again at 4 and would have slept quite late this morning and given me a lie-in except DP was extremely cack-handed when it came to turning his alarm off this morning - it took him AGES and it was getting louder and louder and of course then it woke DS up (at 7). Could have cried.

This morning's been ok hence my ability to post long rambling messages! Have mowed the lawn, fed DS three times, sent him to sleep, sewn on a button and watched hours of olympics

Well done Rozzy - I'm 2lb down too - what a miracle. Must be the chocolate cake.

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Hello girls!

Sarah I really feel for you. It is tricky to know what to do. I do think it is VERY unreasonable for them to expect you not to take any time off for so long, but also if it already booked up then often that's "Just Tough" (sorry not me being harsh, but it happens to DH, I missed a v important prior arrangement last Oct as DH could literally only get 2 weeks off in the whole last 4 months of the year or something stupid, due to people getting in there first and booking time off - he did leave it a bit late though...). I would definitely not call in sick, you will feel guilty, and you will hate not being able to talk about your lovely holiday to anyone too!!!! I would try to talk to them, see if anyone who has got that time off can possibly swap (if they are not booked to actually go away maybe?).

All ok here at the mo. Both babies a bit grizzly but seem to be so much happier now they know when they are going to be heading off to bed (wish I had got them in a routine earlier but was impossible with DD waking at night for feeds and DS2 not, meant they were always off kilter with each other anyway).

I too am desperate for those first teeth to appear as I am sure it is why they cry so much when it is not feed or nap time. Earlier both were sobbing for no apparent reason, I rubbed some Anbesol (not Anusol LEESMUM!!!) on their gums and they were happy within a minute or two and started watching Balamory!

Rozzy and Gill I too would get up and give DD water (or milk before that) knowing she would be back in bed asleep within about20 mins, rather than me lying there listening to her cry and risking her waking the lads, it just needed a few nights (or two weeks aherm) to get her out of the habit and now she has four proper full bottles a day.

Tyaca Jacob is in now way spurning Esther's love gift! He loves it. He wont let Rebecca near it! He will of course not be returning it to her in Basingstoke!

Gill, DS2 has a semi permanent cough (esp at night) and I always wake up when he is coughing and lie there, heart thumping, wondering if he is coughing in his sleep, whether he will start crying, whether it will make him sick.

Princess! Lovely to have you back and glad you had a great hols. I really feel for you with your mum, sometimes you have to get these things out of your system, but then feel awful for it. I hope you sort things out. Who was it who fell out with their mum before all our babies were born?

Tyaca DS1 was just like DD with too many people when he was small. We took him to a wedding when he was 4 months old and it was his first crowd experience and he had a complete meltdown. He then used to get a bit distraught when we started going to soft play when he was about 9 months if it was crowded but thankfully he got used to it and loves noise now. DTs don't bat an eyelid seeing as they started nursery at 3 months and seem quite used to commotion (there is always commotion if DS1 is around).

Well done Gill!! Chocolate cake as weight loss food - if only!

That is a pita Sarah but unfortunately as Egg says it's pretty common to have to fit your holidays round others in your team. My dh doesn't even get to choose when he takes his holidays but we do know in October which holidays he's been allocated for the following year so I try to fit my holidays round that although it's not always possible if they fall at a busy time for me. If there are a lot of you though they should have some 'fair' system in place for doing this. Eg in my mums work everyone has to put their holidays in for the full year in order of preference so in theory you should definitely get your first couple of holidays where you want them. I think it's strange though that they would let you take unpaid leave - surely the whole point of only letting 4 off at a time is so they have adequate staff to do the work. They would be as well letting you take your leave as letting you take unpaid leave. Personally I wouldn't phone in sick either - but then I feel guilty phoning in sick when I am actually ill.

We have had shocking weather here for the last week. A lot of the roads are closed around us today because of flooding so our little town is jammed with cars having to come through because the main road which bypasses us is closed. If the weather doesn't improve soon we'll need to get a boat!! I'd been umming and aahing about keeping the baby clothes because it seemed such a shame to get rid of them all but our garage flooded and ruined them so that's one decision made for us!!

I have explained our situation to my supervisor(the approachable new one)she has informed the other one who has said i need to speak to the manager abouve them but they are not happy about it, (i have no problem booking holiday around my team members, but given the fact they all booked holiday back in april(when i was not employed then!!!) i dont stand a chance of getting anything- not even the odd night atm)

Anyway i think thats why i have been feeling a little down i now feel so much better as i have stopped worring about it- DH has said whatever happens we are going!!!!!!!

EGG - Thomas has developed a night time cough that happens at 11.15 every night (or thereabouts). We have tried to work out whether he is disturbed by anything in particular that makes him wake up and cough but can't. We are going out tomorrow night and have to leave explicit instructions on how to deal with 'The Cough'. Plug him and walk away.

Yes that is crap that everyone had their holidays booked before you started Sarah. At least you're forewarned for next year - get in quick!!! You do now accrue holidays as soon as you start so they'll have to give you an opportunity to take them sometime!

Rozzy i will get holiday at some point as if its not taken u loose it- but it is so frustrating that it has to be on their terms!!!! ( couple of weeks ago one of the girls was offered a shift change, and accepted on the thurs, however over the weekend she changed her mind and returned on the monday- but her holidays has already been taken by someone else!!!!!) u really do need to get in quick!!!!lol

I am ok about it will be having my holiday wether they like it or not to put it bluntly!!!!

Hello everyone,

Sounds like you all had a lovely meet up at Eggs house! V ! wish I could have made it too.

We have news to report! Seren has rolled both ways AND ........... wait for it.......... a tooth has appeared over the past couple of days!!! [proud]

Gonna start weaning in the next couple of weeks - baby rice at first - then veg mush - then fruit mush - then who knows!! [excited!]

Hope everyone is well. I shall read through the posts now and catch up with everyones news - Just couldn't wait to share mine first HeeHee

hey bovril-

Well done Seren- bet you are proud too,

Great to hear from you xxx

I'm back!! I was really poorly the other night. Dont know what it was, some sort of bug I guess but went to bed and woke up in the night throwing up...nice!! Didn't eat all day on the monday but by tues started feeling lots better. Thought ds1 had got it as he started telling me he felt sick and then I found the biscuit jar under the table looking demolished so needless to say he was fine!! Defo not morning sickness as monthly turned up the same day, just what I needed!!!

Well weather has been odd here, rain, hail, thunder and scorching sunshine and that was just tuesday!! We did legoland on wed though and it was so good. Ds1 loved it and ds2 handled it really well given how much he had to be in the buggy. There is a surprising amt to do for those under 5 which is a relief!!

Can't believe teeth are cutting already, well done to seren. We've got a suspicious bump and a bucketful of drool but still think its a way off mores the pity.

Blody fridge has stopped working again so called someone out. Its so frozen up we're having to switch it off for 4 days!!! And its supposed to be bloody frost free!!! Luck a kind neighbour has taken pity and put all of ds2's frozen food in her freezer, I would have cried if I'd had to chuck it all!!

What's everyone up to this weekend, weather report isn't good.

PL - sorry to hear things with your mum aren't great, hope you can sort it out when you're both ready. It's horrible rowing with your mum x Gt news re ferdy!!

Bean - hope you and the family are ok, spec your niece

And to all little ones that aren't feeling well, hope you feel better soon (and let your mummies get some sleep!!)

Sorry, not got time to catch up yet. DS is still being sick loads. The asllergy test came back -ve but he still could be allergic to milk as these tests aren't that specific. Does anyone have any ideas?????????

Gosh Alkar I really feel for you. I hate sick. Is he still throwing up all of his feed, or just bits here and there? Both DTs are more sicky than normal at the mo (of course I am putting it down to teething) but just the odd "mouthful" not whole feeds apart from once.

I can't remember but has he only recently gone onto formula, or started having cow's milk on cereal or something, to havetriggered it if it is a milk allergy? Hope he is feeling better soon, you must be exhausted.

We are ok but all DCs a bit grumpy today. DH and I are going OUT FOR DINNER tomorrow night . We have a babysitter from nursery coming round. YAY! Can't wait. I think I might get a little bit tipsy .

Count oops I forgot to say, sorry you were sick too . Glad it was over with fairly quickly and you were able to enjoy legoland. I did laugh at DS1 and the biscuits! I would like to take DS1 to legoland as we went last year but he was obv a lot younger then and also I was pg with DTs so found it all a bit knackering. I seem to remember bursting into tears on the hill train on the way back up at the end as there were no seats left and some bitch lady was rude to me .

New pics on profile btw [proud].

loving your pics Egg- cannot belive how alike they all are, xxxx You should be proud of them !!!!

All ok here off to a party tonight!!!yeah will also get tipsy lol

Hi ladies,

am only able to get on net as a special treat! Internet still not working properley, dh on phone to new deli as we speak! Only had time to do a quick scan, hope all ok (esp bean).

Ds still not sleeping .

have to go again. Have a good weekend.

new delhi - virgin media's help desk not the local sarnie shop!