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August 2021 Babies - From Santa to Solids, Hohoho!

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PurplePansy05 · 20/12/2021 14:32

Here we go again!

I'd do another delightful intro, alas I've lost count which thread this is now and we all know our LO's names anyway 😁

So instead I will just say, Merry First Christmas together to you and your LOs! 🎄❤🎁

May the sleep regression pass as soon as they see Santa later this week...

...May they love weaning and may our kitchens survive...

...May 2022 be full of blessings for them and for us ❤❤❤

Oldcomers and newcomers welcome, as always! 🥰

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PurplePansy05 · 17/01/2022 15:04

And thank you to all of you for sharing your thoughts regarding the split of housework/childcare, it reassured me massively that this isn't just an issue in my head. Really appreciate you taking time to offer such detailed and insightful posts, I know we're all busy every day Flowers xx

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Magik01 · 17/01/2022 15:17

@Dia12 daytime naps aren’t a thing here too. He will only nap for 30 minutes when I’m holding him, if I put him down he’s awake straight away. I just hold him because it’s just easier than battle with daytime naps. His nighttime sleep has improved massively since I put him in his own room a few nights ago. I know it’s recommended 6 months but this works for us. Not sure if we were disturbing each other at night, or he’s warmer in his room as ours was always quite cold, or a mixture of everything? Who know?!

Fran919 · 17/01/2022 16:06

@Dia12 - Yep, I’ve sleep trained as I was at the end of my tether and I couldn’t sleep as I move a lot and I was waking her up / she was up every 2 hours / after the dummy and then spitting it out! We did two feeds a night too (they didn’t bother me) but I thought with sleep training I’d just go for it and now get her sleeping through the night roughly 6.30pm - between 5.30/6.30 am (it’s early but works for us, I was always up at 6am pre pregnancy even weekends). She takes the same amount of oz over the 12 hour day hours so no concerns she loosing weight etc. 4 day naps between 30-45 mins.

Sleep training isn’t for everyone but it worked for us.

biscuitcat · 17/01/2022 16:12

@Dia12 no luck at all with sleeping through here! Usually we put him down at 7:30/8-ish, wake him at11-ish when we go up for a feed, then up once more before morning on a good night, two or three times on a bad one. And actually last night he woke himself at 10 then wouldn't go down till 1 😫 teething I think. In the day I don't even try to put him in the cot for a nap! But he naps quite well on me/walking in the pram.

@Magik01 when you moved him to his own room, was sleep better straight away or was it painful at first? I'm debating moving him soon and want to know what to expect!

Magik01 · 17/01/2022 16:34

@biscuitcat it was better straight away. When he starts to cry on the monitor I set a timer for 10 minutes and if he’s still crying by the end I go in to him. I realise that sounds like a long time but 9-10 times by 6ish minutes he had settled himself.

I think the first night he was awake 4 times between 7pm and 11pm (that’s not any different to when he was in my room) then he woke at 1am which he self settled and then again at 5am to which I went in purely as I worried he was hungry. I used to feed him every 2 hours when he was in my room!

The past two nights I haven’t had to go into him AT ALL because he’s self settled every time. I would go for it! Wish I’d moved him sooner tbh 😂

Smurf123 · 17/01/2022 17:08

Only cat naps exist here currently. Dd has decided she wants to feed every hour or 2 between 7-3am but then will haven't a 3/4 hour stretch. This morning she slept 3-7 fed and was back asleep 715-830 🙈
Prior to December she was doing 11-6 sleeping so I don't know what to do. In theory she is able to sleep longer but at the same time I'm not sure if she is actually hungry because she's got so alert and nosy during the day.

RandomCatGenerator · 17/01/2022 19:28

@Fran919 can I ask what sort of sleep training?

BertieBotts · 17/01/2022 19:47

Not sleeping through the night here and I don't expect that to happen for quite a long time yet.

15 hours is an average, so some babies need less, some more, and it doesn't need to be in one block. They should definitely be napping in the day at this age but they vary whether they will have longer naps or short ones. Alex is a short napper of about 35-45 minutes but he has 3 or 4 naps in a day, so that's fine. Then he sleeps for about 12 hours overnight but he'll wake about 4-5 times during that 12 hours. He's generally easy to settle with a feed or just a reassuring pat. The night waking will get better by itself if you just wait and do nothing, but it does take a lot longer that way. My older two were toddlers when they started sleeping through the night although the eldest did sleep through occasionally from much earlier.

It is normal for them to go in fits and starts with sleep so have times when they are more settled and times when they are more wakeful. Hunger can be part of it and also just development, their brains are busy figuring all sorts of things out. Solids can be a bit tricky as their digestive system gets used to new input as well.

BertieBotts · 17/01/2022 19:50

The 15 hours includes day sleep as well and when I count 12 hours at night, I'm not subtracting time that he's awake feeding. I just say ok he went to sleep at 7.30 and woke up at 8am, that's 12.5 hours.

Fran919 · 17/01/2022 19:52

@RandomCatGenerator sure, I bought a book called the sensational sleep plan.

Its a semi cry it out method but you respond to the cries based on a scale, so if LO is just whinging I generally leave alone but a cry I’ll go in and re settle which involves putting hand on chest, if she gets hysterical then I’ll pick up, comfort and then put back down. It’s not timed so I don’t have to leave it 2 mins, then 4 mins for the next etc, though sometimes I do time to make sure I don’t go in too frequent. Similar to @Magik01 the most LO has whinged rather than cried is about 6 mins. Took a couple days, consistency etc but got there. I personally liked the book because it wasn’t rigid, I can’t remember which other poster but I’ve read a few training books like Gina Ford and 12 hours by 12 weeks etc and felt they were too inflexible. One thing I didn’t agree with was watering down the night feeds so I ignored that and went cold Turkey night 2 (she was only taking a couple of oz anyway)

Ready2020 · 17/01/2022 21:33

My DD naps really well in the day but that's because it's all in the buggy and we walk a lot! I've decided I've no issue with that though but it might be a problem when it comes to going to nursery. But we'll see. Nights are still not fab with rolling over but she's doing it slightly less now so I think the novelty is starting to wear out. We had a 4/5 hour stretch last night.

We were thinking of putting her in her own room too though I've no clue of the logistics. Just now I feed her sitting up in bed and she either falls asleep on me after the feed or OH takes her and falls asleep in his arms. Her nursery is tiny and has a small chair with no arms! So I guess we'd need to feed and settle in our room then walk her to her own and put her down? Not ideal as there is a chance of waking.

Not only that but OH would then want to come into the main room if she's in her own room, which is fair enough, but she will inevitably need to come into the bed at some point during the night and there won't be room. I guess I could chuck OH into the spare room during the night. Plus I'm not sure I want to deal with his snoring! I'm too used to sleeping on my own now.

I'm signing up to a 3 day pop up shop in Edinburgh in April! To sell my embroidery and sea glass bits. It's in the new shopping centre there. Exciting!

PurplePansy05 · 17/01/2022 21:40

Ladies who have older children, in your experience when do they start eating 'adult' meals, please? Say, a bolognese or chicken dinner? I can't get my head around this - all websites say it's ok to try them on pasta, pasta with sauce and meats/fish after 6m. Leo is currently eating veg and fruit purees (quite a nice variety, actually) and trying to feed himself some finger foods (I always cut up carrots, bananas etc for BLW as well and give him a chance) - but that's not going well yet in a sense he squeezes them in his hands and tries to put it in his mouth but it all ends in his silicone bib 😂 So he's exploring rather than eating. But he'll get there.

What I can't understand is am I just supposed to move on from this to pasta, bread and basically our mini-dinners when he's 6m+?? I understand we should also gradually feed them solids twice a day from around that age and effectively feed as much as they wish to eat?

Is anyone else waiting with introducing anything that might trigger an allergy until your OHs are home, just in case? 🙈

He now poops daily or every other day too...and the smell is hideous 🤮 xx

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BertieBotts · 17/01/2022 22:23

Honestly if you do BLW you get there pretty quickly - it takes anything from 2-6 weeks for them to go from barely grasping things/chasing it around the highchair to fairly competently picking up anything at all and giving it a good old go, so you can really start with "proper" food right from the start although I know exactly what you mean as we are still in this stage with Alex, I am kind of eyeing up foods in terms of would he actually be able to have the dexterity to handle this, rather than whether or not he'd like it or it's suitable for him. We went out today for our anniversary to this fusion Japanese/Chinese buffet place (it's not a shared buffet, it's more like tapas, you order to the table) and most things were either cut much too small or covered in sauce, but DH did feed him a bit of sticky sushi rice from a cucumber roll, which he absolutely LOVED :o Then at the end he ordered a mixed fruit bowl thinking Alex could have a bit of fruit, but it wasn't accessible to him at all so I ended up eating it. But I remember particularly with DS1, who I did totally BLW with, that I was giving him anything and everything. The stage at the start where you look at a whole English breakfast and think er..... yeah alright you can have a corner of toast, or the only thing that they can have out of a meal is a bit of cucumber off the garnish - that is very very short lived.

In terms of purees, well the German system is so incredibly nicely laid out that I will just share that with translation, because I think it's lovely.

The yellow part is milk feeds. Then at anywhere from 4-5 months you start with a mixed up vegetable-potato-meat puree (red section) once per day at lunchtime or dinnertime. One month after starting this, you add the big purple layer which is a milk-cereal puree (e.g. baby porridge, baby rice, etc) as your second meal at lunchtime or breakfast time. One month after starting this, you fill in the last mealtime with a cereal-fruit puree.

Then the dotted line shows the transition between purees to actual meals. So at about 6-7 months you would transition from a meat/veg puree to your family main/hot meal, mashed up less and less until they are eating it normally by about age 1. At about 7-8 months you would transition from the porridge (blue) to what German children generally eat as an evening meal/breakfast which is bread with cheese, ham, salami and cut up vegetables and at 8-9 months you'd drop the last puree meal (green) and add in 2x snacks. Then when the baby seems ready at some point between 9-12 months you'd add in breakfast or that last evening meal. So everything is happening rather slowly in a rough timescale from 4-12 months with the pure milk phase being 0-4 months, the puree phase being 6-8 months and the normal food phase starting at around 9+ months. It's a bit too rigid for me with all the different food groups laid out like that but in a way I just think it's so nice and neat and a great way of thinking about things!

Oh god I'm waffling on again. But the other thing I'd say is just if you're having spaghetti bolognese or whatever - you can just stick that in a bowl, cut the spaghetti a few times and spoon feed it right from 6 months. If you're still on totally smooth purees then you might want to blend it up first, or just add a bit of the sauce to some baby rice or something, but you'll find over time they can cope with more and more texture, so you go from taking some ingredients of your dinner out and making that into a puree, to making a puree/mash of little pieces of all (or most) of a dinner with a bit of milk added to thin it down, to roughly mashing a dinner, to offering a dinner that is cut into tiny pieces, then cut into slightly bigger pieces, until you're barely moderating it at all.

Or BLW style spaghetti bolognese, make it with twisty pasta (easier to grip), put some in front of him and let him eat it off his hands. You can do that from 6 months. I always think if you're doing BLW you may as well do it before 6 months but if you're wanting to stick to NHS guidelines, it's 6 months for meat and wheat.

It's easier if you're already in the habit of cooking for yourself/partner/other DC. If you're not really and tend to eat a lot of convenience foods then it can be trickier to work out how it all fits in but it all comes together in the end. I'm so bad for relying on that kind of thing TBH. I always think the baby is going to miraculously convert me into a housewife that whips up dinners and I don't think that will ever happen!

August 2021 Babies - From Santa to Solids, Hohoho!
BertieBotts · 17/01/2022 22:27

It's also not a hard deadline. If he gets to six months and everything is still ending up in the bib then it's fine to just wait. You don't have to swap over 100% on that day or anything. It just means that you can expand what you're offering to include things like pasta, bread, chicken etc because NHS advice is to stick with fruit and vegetables only until 6 months old.

PurplePansy05 · 17/01/2022 23:16

Bertie, that's so helpful, THANK YOU! Flowers

I do cook a lot from scratch so no issue here, just need to change up to low salt stock or make his meals without it once he's ready. I was literally imagining him eating fussili with homemade tomato sauce at some point...but he's still my little milk baby!! It blows my mind what is going to happen over the next few weeks, I don't think I'm ready 🙈 xx

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Whatshouldbemyusername · 17/01/2022 23:55

@RandomCatGenerator what part of west London are you moving to? I live in Wembley Park and have picked out a nursery for DD. She will have to go a minimum of 3 half days so will start a month or so earlier than I have to go back to work x

Smurf123 · 18/01/2022 08:38

I still don't feel Sophia is steady enough in the Tripp trapp high chair 🤔 which is hampering blw she wants the food we have and is showing so much interest in it but she's not sitting steady enough in the chair with the tray to be able to get it

BertieBotts · 18/01/2022 08:59

How old is she Smurf? Their sitting stability can change a lot in a couple of weeks. The Tripp Trapp is quite open though, do you have the baby set with the pillow? That might help or a folded towel. I've been using an old baby sleeping bag where the zip broke for a bit of extra stability, folded up to sort of pad out the seat.

We just had second jabs today (the German timescale seems totally different) and he was very upset bless him. It was like he remembered as he started screaming in anticipation. I held him for the actual jabs which helped a bit and he did calm down with some milk afterwards.

BertieBotts · 18/01/2022 09:01

You can always sit her on your lap for now.

BertieBotts · 18/01/2022 12:48

We suddenly seem to have mastered rolling both ways at once! Which seems very efficient. But he keeps doing it and then being cross because he can't reach something that he could reach before.

For lunch today we tried pear (which he loved the other day) - it is now more ripe and broke off in huge chunks which he didn't like and made me a bit nervous. I was having a salmon and spinach pasta thing so I mashed up some of the spinach and salmon in the sauce and gave him tiny bits. He enjoyed but the texture was a bit much I think as he struggled to move it around his mouth. Then tried a breadstick but he didn't like that at all - a bit too scratchy I think. Unsalted rice cakes broken in half are the current winner though.

Smurf123 · 18/01/2022 13:39

@BertieBotts she will be 6 months on Monday, she just looks like she is slouching very far forward. Have tried the towel which helps for a small time. Must actually move the footrest up too so she can put her feet on it maybe help a bit.

Smurf123 · 18/01/2022 13:39

Well done Alex! Dd can roll back to front but won't roll front to back

PurplePansy05 · 18/01/2022 17:36

@Smurf123 Bringing the footrest up has really helped us!

Today's update is that Leo seems in love with parsnips 🤣 It's rather cute.

And as of yesterday he can sit unsupported for nearly a minute. He's learned to bring himself back up to a steady position and to move his arms and hands forward into a tripod position too. I am shocked! He couldn't do any of that just days ago 😱 I think he'll crawl but not roll if he keeps going like this! xx

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Smurf123 · 18/01/2022 18:37

@PurplePansy05 ok I've just brought the footrest up and I've put the IKEA inflatable pillow in at her back and she looks much happier in it ... mind you it would help if she wasn't trying to use it as her jumperoo!
Her neck and head control is good enough it's just when trying to sit unaided she gets so nosy she's wobbly or throws herself backwards to try and see what's behind her!
Well done Leo that's fantastic! I'm hoping we will get there soon too too

Inmypjsagain · 18/01/2022 19:54

Welcome back @Dia12 😊

Well done to all the rolling babies! Sounds like lots of weaning success too! Not much joy here, everything just gets spat out, it’s almost like his tongue just pokes out and the food sploshes out too. All a bit grim really lol but I think he’s just still not ready.

I’m not kidding when I say baby spends his whole time on his front. I put him on his back and he’ll roll over within minutes, nappy changes are a nightmare between attempted rolls and feet eating. But he’s doing some sort of army crawl now if you know what I mean, he normally chills with arms outstretched and chest right up but has figured out if he lies flat with his arms out and wiggles him bum and sort of frog kicks while gripping the follow with his hands, he can move across the floor. I’m not sure what I was expecting to happen next but I wasn’t expecting this 😂 he’s slow but he’s moving, which is bizarre.

Boring question but what bubble bath/body wash is everyone using on the babies? We’ve been using neals yard but I’m a bit bored of it, we used child’s farm freebies a while ago, anyone use anything else they thing is good? I enjoy buying toiletries but feel like buying something new!