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PND, woes and throws. Normal motherhood?

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RLRapunzel · 27/12/2020 09:19

Googling my parenting woes always leads me here so I decided to make an account see if I can can get some more specific answers. There's a lot to unpack so I'll try not to ramble too much.

I am 24 and I have 2 DDs aged 2 and 2 months. When my first was born I struggled with horrific PND which I didn't start getting over until she was 18 months. Without getting too into the nitty gritty I felt like I regretted having her, I'd ruined my life and regularly thought about ending my life. I never looked for help, although I desperately wanted to, because my partner was an unsupportive so and so and told me to simply 'cheer up.' Apparently depression isn't a real thing about people should just think more positively. Helpful. At 18 months when DD was getting more independent and her speech was coming along I stated to feel better, and by her second birthday I was feeling almost like myself. Well not myself, but a version of me I could live with. My feelings of regret, resentment ect were 100% down to the PND and not reflections of how I truly felt.

When DD2 was born I told my health visitor on day 1 that I struggled with depression that I never told anyone about last time. I was (still am) desperate not to let it get that bad again. Both DDs deserve better than that. Until recently I'd been feeling okay but negative thoughts and feelings are slowly creeping back in.

The sleep deprivation is making me feel insane. DD1 didn't start sleeping through the night until fairly recently and of course I'm feeding every 3 hours with my youngest. But instead of being able to 'nap when the baby naps' there seems to be no time to catch up because my toddler is all go. So I'm desperately tired all the time.

The main thing I wanted to talk about is the fact that I have sacrificed everything about myself for my children, and not necessarily by choice. If me 5 years ago could see me now I wouldn't recognise myself. Any friends I did have are long gone; they're all single and childless so they're meeting up for cocktails and meals and living for the weekend so naturally that doesn't include me anymore. Not their fault, them not wanting me and my tagalongs around makes perfect sense. All my prechild hobbies are just not plausible anymore; I used to be an avid gamer before I had children. I would also draw and paint a lot, and reading. I don't have any time for any of that anymore so I had to give it all up. I can draw/paint with my toddler I guess but being told to draw peppa pig and dinosaurs over and over again is not remotely the same. I am tidying, cleaning, butt changing, feeding all day every day. I am tired to my core of cleaning the same messes everyday. My life is completely devoid of anything that isn't directly child related.

When I Google this issue people always recommend dropping the kids off at the grandparents house for a 'break' yeah right! My mother has no interest in my children. She used to babysit on occasion when it was just my first but she divorced her husband a year and a half ago and since then is trying to relive her late teens/early twenties I think. I know it isn't her responsibility and she doesn't owe me childcare, but I can't help feeling bitterly jealous when reading about people who drop their kids off at their parents every weekend. MIL is not an option she can barely take care of herself DDs wouldnt be safe in her care. FIL is in a nursing home and my father has 2 young children of his own (4 & 5) and works 60 hours a week, although he adores my children and would love to help its just not possible. My younger sister likes to help but she's only 16 so while its nice it isn't a break. Money is pretty tight since I lost my job to coronavirus and become a default SAHM so paying for childcare isn't really an option.

When it was just my DD I was starting to feel better because I was starting to get some free time back, but having a newborn has thrown me back into the deep end. I've been pursuing a sterilisation with my gp but I think my request will be rejected because of my age. I think I had children too early; I was 21 when I got pregnant with my first. I wish I had waited a few years so I could have enjoyed my life a bit before giving it up. Maybe then I wouldn't be feeling all this resentment.

Every day seems darker than the day before so I think I'll get in contact with my HV again and tell her I think the PND might be coming back. Im not sure what my goal is with posting this thread, just off loading maybe? Raising children is so hard, if I had known what was coming I'm not sure I would have had them.

  • I ended up rambling lol
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RelivingHell · 27/12/2020 09:24

You need to go to the doctor ASAP and get some antidepressants. I'm amazed that nobody seems to have suggested this to you. You are struggling along and the tablets can really really help!

It is perfectly normal to feel like your whole life is just babies- you have two pretty much under 2. Any mother would find that small age gap hard. When you have children, it can be hard if you are the first of your friends. It must also be awful as not many groups have been open.

You need to see the doctor and your partner needs to step up.

Holliej · 27/12/2020 09:44

Ramble away darling. It’s better to let it all out even if you are just writing it down. PND is so so horrible. You really could do with going to your GP though, they can help. Speak to your HV again, see if she can come out to see you (they are doing some home visits as they have been told they have to visit at least once to ensure babies/mums are doing okay - mine did visit in October though and baby born March but ask). If you can’t bring yourself to tell her it all, show her your thread. Your DP really does need to step up and give you a hand. Even if it’s so you can have a long hot bath. Maybe see if HV can have a word with him, so he understands PND is a serious thing. Children are hard work, but 2 under 2 is incredibly hard. It will get easier I promise. Try not to be too hard on yourself. You will get through this xx

RLRapunzel · 27/12/2020 13:36

Thank you for your replies :) my partner got up with the children after my original post, so its 1:30 and I'm just waking up; I feel like a new woman! Haha

I will try to get some antidepressants i think. If its anything like before, when my youngest is reaching toddlerhood ill start feeling a bit better so its just a temporary fix to help me cope until then (since b
DP said if I start taking them ill be on them for the rest of my life... ) The isolation has been very difficult since, as you say, groups and what not havent been on.

When it comes to hands on help with the children, DP is a great dad. He will play with our toddler all day if need be. He'll change nappies, make bottles, make dinner if I ask. And evidently let me sleep in when I spend all the previous day being a weepy mess that can't see straight from sleep deprivation! He's just so emotionally shut down. He doesn't seem to understand emotions at all. If I was struggling because I'd been managing both kids alone all day and i was exhausted, he would understand. But if my struggle was purely mental he just can't wrap his head around it IYSWIM

My HV is a lovely woman, I have asked her not to stop visiting because she's really my only in person support. I tried to tell her about my depression on her first couple visits but I couldn't physically talk about it out loud so on the third I wrote her a letter explaining everything going on inside my head instead.

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RelivingHell · 27/12/2020 13:37

You won't be on anti depressants for the rest of your life, your doctor can help you to come off them in a controlled way. Glad you are feeling a bit better!

Notthe9oclocknewsathon · 27/12/2020 13:43

@RLRapunzel

Googling my parenting woes always leads me here so I decided to make an account see if I can can get some more specific answers. There's a lot to unpack so I'll try not to ramble too much.

I am 24 and I have 2 DDs aged 2 and 2 months. When my first was born I struggled with horrific PND which I didn't start getting over until she was 18 months. Without getting too into the nitty gritty I felt like I regretted having her, I'd ruined my life and regularly thought about ending my life. I never looked for help, although I desperately wanted to, because my partner was an unsupportive so and so and told me to simply 'cheer up.' Apparently depression isn't a real thing about people should just think more positively. Helpful. At 18 months when DD was getting more independent and her speech was coming along I stated to feel better, and by her second birthday I was feeling almost like myself. Well not myself, but a version of me I could live with. My feelings of regret, resentment ect were 100% down to the PND and not reflections of how I truly felt.

When DD2 was born I told my health visitor on day 1 that I struggled with depression that I never told anyone about last time. I was (still am) desperate not to let it get that bad again. Both DDs deserve better than that. Until recently I'd been feeling okay but negative thoughts and feelings are slowly creeping back in.

The sleep deprivation is making me feel insane. DD1 didn't start sleeping through the night until fairly recently and of course I'm feeding every 3 hours with my youngest. But instead of being able to 'nap when the baby naps' there seems to be no time to catch up because my toddler is all go. So I'm desperately tired all the time.

The main thing I wanted to talk about is the fact that I have sacrificed everything about myself for my children, and not necessarily by choice. If me 5 years ago could see me now I wouldn't recognise myself. Any friends I did have are long gone; they're all single and childless so they're meeting up for cocktails and meals and living for the weekend so naturally that doesn't include me anymore. Not their fault, them not wanting me and my tagalongs around makes perfect sense. All my prechild hobbies are just not plausible anymore; I used to be an avid gamer before I had children. I would also draw and paint a lot, and reading. I don't have any time for any of that anymore so I had to give it all up. I can draw/paint with my toddler I guess but being told to draw peppa pig and dinosaurs over and over again is not remotely the same. I am tidying, cleaning, butt changing, feeding all day every day. I am tired to my core of cleaning the same messes everyday. My life is completely devoid of anything that isn't directly child related.

When I Google this issue people always recommend dropping the kids off at the grandparents house for a 'break' yeah right! My mother has no interest in my children. She used to babysit on occasion when it was just my first but she divorced her husband a year and a half ago and since then is trying to relive her late teens/early twenties I think. I know it isn't her responsibility and she doesn't owe me childcare, but I can't help feeling bitterly jealous when reading about people who drop their kids off at their parents every weekend. MIL is not an option she can barely take care of herself DDs wouldnt be safe in her care. FIL is in a nursing home and my father has 2 young children of his own (4 & 5) and works 60 hours a week, although he adores my children and would love to help its just not possible. My younger sister likes to help but she's only 16 so while its nice it isn't a break. Money is pretty tight since I lost my job to coronavirus and become a default SAHM so paying for childcare isn't really an option.

When it was just my DD I was starting to feel better because I was starting to get some free time back, but having a newborn has thrown me back into the deep end. I've been pursuing a sterilisation with my gp but I think my request will be rejected because of my age. I think I had children too early; I was 21 when I got pregnant with my first. I wish I had waited a few years so I could have enjoyed my life a bit before giving it up. Maybe then I wouldn't be feeling all this resentment.

Every day seems darker than the day before so I think I'll get in contact with my HV again and tell her I think the PND might be coming back. Im not sure what my goal is with posting this thread, just off loading maybe? Raising children is so hard, if I had known what was coming I'm not sure I would have had them.

  • I ended up rambling lol
What you’re experiencing is totally natural response to a pretty messed up society and the sexist way we as women have to “adapt” to becoming mums when men don’t typically lose everything of their former life. We neither have the village of more traditional societies nor the promised equality in any mean full sense. Antidepressants might well help, but also, it’s okay to feel angry that this is what motherhood is like. I think it’s pretty logical and I sometimes feel frustrated at everyone shouting PND when all (many not all) women need is a mental break and 8 hours sleep for a few weeks. Our bodies and minds have limits. Motherhood being an extreme sport is not your fault. Cake Flowers Brew
RLRapunzel · 27/12/2020 13:43

Just to add one thing he will absolutely NOT do is housework in any way shape or form. Won't even put dirty dishes in the dishwasher...

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RLRapunzel · 27/12/2020 13:46

"all (many not all) women need is a mental break and 8 hours sleep for a few weeks. Our bodies and minds have limits. Motherhood being an extreme sport is not your fault."

Judging by how different i feel after this sleep i believe that haha

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Hellothere19999 · 27/12/2020 13:49

I would deffo say go to the doctors and good luck! Can I ask what made you have another kid? I love my daughter but I am so against having another one for reasons you have described.

RLRapunzel · 27/12/2020 13:57

Because I had started feeling happy again; all the regrets and resentment had gone completely by the time I got pregnant with my second. I wanted to give her a sibling to play with and also I have 2 adult siblings that I get on very well with. I have my younger sister who is pretty much a god send to me, so I wanted to give DD that for when she is an adult too. When DD1 was a baby I thought for sure Id never have any more children.

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Kittykat93 · 27/12/2020 14:04

I felt like this after my first,so much so I actually got sterilized after to insure I could never go through it again.

RLRapunzel · 01/01/2021 10:38

Mini rant
DP has been asleep for 12 solid hours, waking me up with his insufferable snoring while I'm waking every 3 hours anyway to feed the baby. Now I want him to get up and help me with the kids and he's just continuing to sleep? Makes me so angry! Why does he get to sleep for 12 solid hours 4 times a week and I have to cope on 4 hours! I said are you going to wake up and help me with the kids he said 'I am awake' then carries on his with hideous snoring 5 minutes later why are men like this they are so selfish AngryAngryAngry

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Hellothere19999 · 01/01/2021 17:22

I love my three sisters also but I know that my mental health being worse and my relationship with my partner also wouldn’t benefit my daughter. Not having a go just genuinely wondering! Dunno what to suggest with the partner coz I just dump my daughter with him and go back to bed so he has no choice 🤷🏻‍♀️

juliainthedeepwater · 01/01/2021 19:06

I would echo at the top of my lungs what @Notthe9oclocknewsathon said so well. I’m sorry to hear you’re struggling so much OP - and of course explore the medication route as it can make a huge difference to mood - but I’d also say that your feelings sound like a very natural response to an incredibly hard time of your life. I find motherhood to two small children very hard (because it is!) and I have a huge amount of support.. without that, well I’ve no doubt I’d feel just like you. Guess what I’m trying to say is there’s nothing weird or wrong with how you’re feeling! Good luck, and I hope your HV, Dr and most importantly your partner step up to try and make your life a lot less challenging.

BeautyAndTheBump1 · 01/01/2021 22:25

Oh OP bless you. Please contact your GP urgently and explore the medication, or CBT.
Remember these problems are only temporary. Everything you are feeling is temporary, nothing lasts forever. When you are stuck in a nnegative mind frame it is hard to get out and every little thing feels negative. Medication should help clear the clouds and youll be able to manage.
Keep going! Looking after a 2 year old and 2 month old already makes you superwoman. You are doing an amazing job!

Malibu295 · 01/01/2021 22:46

OP, first of all it sounds like you are doing a great job with your DC's so don't put yourself down. I agree with PP's speak to your GP ASAP, you should see it as a positive that you have recognised that you feel this way and can get help instead of resisting it, you are also already seeing a way out (when your youngest becomes a toddler) so antidepressants would be a temporary fix for you but make it all more bare-able.
Could your sister spend a few days with you seeing your routine and then maybe you would feel more comfortable leaving your children with her for a bit? It will get better, you just need some sleep and time for yourself x

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