November 2014 - the one where we all get a good night's sleep

[moggle]

Here's hoping, anyway...

How on earth did 8 hours happen?

I was speaking to someone yesterday with a 4 month old who rather sheepishly admitted the baby had been sleeping through basically from the start. But freely admitted it was nothing they'd done, but just his nature. I was agog with envy!

Though I'm not complaining really. Last night he went down at 10.30 (we seem to have settled on that time) and then woke at 3am/6am/9am. Consistent!

I think I'm should go to sleep at 10.30 when he does. DH does. But i'm guilty of really loving the peace and quiet with no baby needing me and I happily read/MN till midnight. Bliss. But then I'll only have 3 hrs sleep till a feed!

Baby fell asleep downstairs full and with clean nappy at 10 so we both just went upstairs. I woke up at 2 and baby was still asleep so I looked at him to see if he seemed ready for a dream feed but decided he looked fine as he was so retrieved DH from sofa and went to the loo then went back to sleep! I think baby takes after me, can sleep anywhere and needs quite a lot of sleep. Good job or I'd be dead on my feet!

So much for my idea of getting baby up at 7! After her 4amfeed she was so noisy whether awake or asleep (not crying) I couldn't get to sleep and ended up sobbing with frustration at 6.15. So after morning feed we both went back to bed. Oh well there's always tomorrow. And earplugs!

Well just had 6weeks hv visit n 13lb 9oz now!!!!

She thinks the latching on n off n screaming at feeds could be related to his tongue tie n is going to ask gp to refer to see consultant regarding if needs cutting, gp did discuss with me on Fri but agreed just to watch n wait but hv said worth getting it checked.

So will now have app for hip scan, squint n tongue tie poor baby.

Husband has a knee OP Thursday so have to get us all out house for 7am to drive half hr to hospital get back and then do school run at 8.20 so time to shove breakfast in 4yrs old then poss go back to hospital to be with husband n back for school run n then back over to hospital to collect him at some point as its a day case. He can't drive for 4weeks after!!

Moggle earplugs are indispensable here. I can still hear him when he starts chirping for a feed, but I miss all the snuffliness and sighing and general piglet noises so I sleep much better.

Thanks for the tummy time tips ladies. I tried putting her on my chest this morning and lying flat on the floor and she still got pretty cross but lasted a bit longer. I might try it when I'm not totally flat and see if that's easier. Her neck has always been really strong and she holds it pretty well if she's held vertically, but she hasn't worked out how to push with her hands. Weirdly she was actually better at tummy time when she was a week old, and could raise her head and move it from side to side fine, whereas now she seems to find that harder. Maybe her head has grown faster than the rest of her body or something.

caravela- very similar here. He moves his head during tummy time but the arm s see no action.

First day on our own here. I have managed a shower and to go for a long walk to buy bits for dinner. Had a couple of naps but only 20 mins each so may have a longer one this evening. So far so good.

BUT DS seems to have developed the habit of waking up slower than the day is long! For example this morning he slept soundly until 5 (after going down at 3) but 5-7 he was asleep but chuntering to himself. Tried feeding, as soon as he latched he fell asleep. Tried changing, fell asleep on the mat. Tried Co sleeping but would not be quiet. I don't know what to do because he has done this twice today too coming out of naps.

DH back to work, but working from home today, so we in a way run a trial of me being on my own with the baby all day. Wasn't that bad.

DD calms down whatever the cry was if we put her on the shoulder, then she lifts the head back and looks at dark/bright objects with real interest. The best place to calm her down though is the kitchen with the beams on the ceiling. She can stare at them in amazement for hour and forget about her problems with parents. I count it towards tummy time along with the play mat as she pushes herself up on the arms and then holds the head back.

Ahhh stupid nappies just swapped to sz 3 as sz 2 were too tight leaving red marks other than boots one's which come up much bigger n used yesterday fine in day last night 1am til 7am n wet through n tonight 6pm til midnight wet through were Sainsbury own so just put a pampers baby dry on.

Think will pop to little boots chemist nr home Tomorrow n grab another pk sz 2 annoyingly have load Sainsbury n aldi sz 2 but all too tight

cat DD has been doing the noisy sleeper thing for a few weeks (see my earlier post - it's so annoying at night!). I just leave her to it now. I've had one earplug in tonight and have slept so much better! She's also woken much later for her night feed (just doing it now, usually its 3-4am), not sure if that's related - maybe my constant wakings disturb her too.

Moggle, DS is also extremely noisy. He chunters, grunts, squeaks and gurgles. He's been awake/dozing since 4.30 doing this. I've tried to feed him but he's just not interested. Does anyone else have problems feeding lying down? Wondering if it's that rather than not wanting to feed. Although having said that I'm sitting up feeding at the moment and he's just dropped right off the boob and is sound asleep after only 2 mins of feeding.

I might try the ear plug thing.

I've actually stopped feeding lying down. Everyone tells you its the easiest way, but its also the way the baby is laziest. So they'll keep sucking long after the feed is over and you don't realise they're actually asleep! I've actunally fallen asleep, realised it was an hour later, and baby still has boob in mouth and is still giving the odd suck.

Balls to that. I'm not being used as a dummy! So now I feed cross-body as they tend to pop off when they're done, and also you get all the farts out in that position.

We had a stretch 11-4 last night. Not bad. Of course then it got a good bit shorter with feeds at 5.45 and 7.30. That was a bit annoying. But hey ho.

At 4 I actually waited for a few minutes to see if it was a false alarm but his eyes were wide open. I have fantasties about stretching it longer but I can't see it happening tbh.

Ladies with CMPI babies, stupid question for you. Can GP test for and actually diagnose it?! Poor DD is so windy every evening without fail. Wondering if that might be causing the problem. Can I ask what symptoms your LOs displayed?

Not sure if there's a test for intolerance - just for allergies. Intolerances are more diagnosed from symptoms.

My lad had very disturbed sleep as apparently babies do most of their digesting at night. Writhing, thrashing, drawing legs up, a lot of distress for hours and hours. It was obvious it was a lower GI tract issue.

We also had diarrohea and very acidic poos that would burn your eyes and scald his bum. He was a bit spotty too (skin issues are a common symptom).

GP said a lot of babies, particularly BF babies, have good weight on despite this as they want to feed all the time. Sucking relieves the symptoms. My lad was thriving otherwise as I was feeding constantly.

Hope that helps!

They use putting mum on dairy-free diet as a type of process of elimination type thing. As in if that works then that's probably it.
Struggling for words recently, sorry if I ramble shit! Trial and error I guess is the phrase.

How's your DS doing now Annarose2014? How are you feeding him? What are you eating?

Hypoallergenic formula during the day, boob at night. Its now been three weeks & dairy seems to be gone from my system so I could probably risk BFing him 100% now but formula is giving me a lovely daytime routine & DH does loads of feeds so I won't change back.

We got the formula on prescription - it costs a bomb otherwise.

This week DS seems to be completely symptom free! I'm like a new woman.

I do bloody miss chocolate though.

Trying to convince gp we have cmpi poos are now like clay as on gaviscon but were green mucusy n causing awful nappy rash n would do about 12 a day no just wet nappies even crying made him poo.

Continues after 11/12pm to wake hrly if not more often feed for 5-10mins n drop back off, feeds all day often latching on n off screaming, doesn't nap well in day unless go out in car or pram.

Reflux is a little better on gaviscon but not hugely

Has tongue tie - hv has asked gp to refer to hospital to review it so will await that app.

Need to see gp end next week (2weeks since last app) and will try n push the cmpi a little mmore.

I wonder if I try going dairy free n see if helps to prove point but I am not sure I can do it.

Although special milk would be a nightmare with my bottle refuser

Marking place on the new thread, lots going on here, nice to read even though my dd is only 4 weeks so feels like we are miles behind you guys with your 6-8 week olds!!

She sleeps wonderfully and will drop off alone if I lay her down anywhere. Very different to my eldest who needed feeding to sleep all the time and would never settle without me! I'm guessing the 6 week growth spurt will ruin that though. Still breastfed completely and we are also making the switch to cloth nappies this week, as soon as my liners order arrives. So excited!!

We are in 3-6 month clothes already as she's well over 13lbs. She is puttin on weight so fast! All her lovely newborn things were never worn and her 0-3 didn't last long at all

eastmids plenty of people exclusively BF CMPI babies - I just wanted quick results as I was really upset and couldn't take any more, and with Bfing it takes at least 2 weeks for the symptoms to stop as thats how long it takes to leave yr system. And then a further 2 wks to leave babies system.

So you just have to be a bit more patient.

Though I would try some different shaped teats to try even expressed BM as bottle refusers are bloody tough going later on. Have heard some ppl have success with NUK teats.

Thanks Anna I am just not sure I can commit to dairy free long term.My first was a bottle refused to every brand available and not doing that again was expensive!

I have had a screaming baby all day won't settle even in car on school run is kind of asleep now in car seat fell asleep on way back but squeaking n will be fully awake again soon.

Going to a breast feeding group tommorow.

From my experience as a children nurse and maternity night nanny I am pretty sure it's cmpi especially as we have a strong family history.

I only have milk in tea and could eliminate that, butter on toast, chocolate although could have dark choc as no milk in it. It's the May contain milk products I can't give up and the hidden milk like in some bread although know aldi value bread is milk free. Oh n cake I love cake.

Ahh decisions - have eaten all the "milky" choc in house today n only have my green n blacks dark choc varieties left in preparation in case I decide to go dairy free.

Any tips????

My dp is df so I'm quite practiced at it.

Vitalite spread instead of butter.
Swedish glace ice cream (tescos)
tesco also do df mayo which is pretty good
oreos are df
soya/almond milk is fine in tea but curdles in coffee
Watch out for processed meats for hidden milk
manchego is sheeps cheese if you're not a fan of goats cheese

those are my top tips!

ladydolly I think Oreos have milk in them now. Someone mentioned to me they'd changed.

Ohh think I could live with vitalite instead butter.

I hate oreo anyway :)

Husband best cook another gammon then (he has several in freezer as he loves gammon) so don't buy processed meats.

Will chat to husband tonight and breast feeding people Tommie and maybe give it a try.

Hi all.
Went to out local BIBS group today. Nice group of women with loads of different issues and experiences. The midwife who was there wa s lovely but fairly useless. I went to have a chat about expressing and she just didn't know. There was another mum there who directed me to mumsnet because "there is more info on there than in the NHS about feeding babies". x