November 2014 - the one where we all get a good night's sleep

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Here's hoping, anyway...

What a shit night. We all went to sleep at 10.30 and he woke at 1.15 and every hour thereafter. I've been basically awake from 2.30am. DH has been awake from 4.30am.

Part of the problem is this squirming and the pitieous little cries. He wakes himself up with it, so he doesn't neccessarily want the boob. Its trapped wind. Poor lad got hardly any sleep last night. These are the symptoms I went to my GP about at 6 weeks and he immediately said it was CPMI! WTF??!

This is plainly not dairy intolerance at all. I suspect this is just his immature gut, and he'll grow out of it in his own time, and am very pissed off that I'm off dairy for nothing apparently, and forced myself to stop BFing during the day at 6 weeks to relieve symptoms that have basically continued off and on since anyway.

Sorry, rant over. Just feel like if GP had said "You just have to put up with that, it'll continue no matter what till they grow out of it" I'd have had a much less stressful time since.

Oh anna that's totally shit. How frustrating. Babydolly has a similar thing and it wakes her from naps and in the night. A friend tried to convince me to go dairyfeee too but I decided to hold out becauae there was enough going on with colic/thrush/antibiotics. The cranial osteopath has really helped but I can still be found doing bicycle legs and tummy massage at 2am...

Last night dd went to sleep without being rocked! admittedly I was next to her in the bed but that's never happened before. I've just put her down for a nap, she woke between rocking and putting her in the cot but she sems to have also gone back to sleep herself. Of course now I've said it out loud I've totally jinxed it and will still be rocking her to sleep at 21...

Waiting for my 6 week check at GPs. Weirdly nervous. DS asleep and I hope it lasts but reckon he'll probably wake up and want feeding just as we get called through. Babies always have the best timing don't they.

I feel like that Annarose2014 about when DS got thrush diagnosed. About two weeks of being projectile vomited on while trying to medicate him and it probably wasn't that at all.
At least you're still lactating so can go back to full bf if you want to?!

After 3 weeks of formula I wouldn't go back to BFing as he's in a three hourly routine and DH does about 50% of the feeds. I know if I went back to BF he'd revert to feeding every 90 mins which I was doing before as he's a hungry baby. I'm just too tired to go back to that when I'm not getting any sleep.

The one good thing is that he's pretty great during the day. And sleeps almost all evening. I just absolutely dread the nights.

The worst thing is no definitive test. So theoretically the bad nights could be because he still has lactose in the formula, OR could be because I still take soy, OR it could be completely normal immature digestion. OR he could just be a really bad sleeper and thats that. I'm driving myself crazy not knowing whats going on with my own baby.

Jabs next Tues and will say it to the GP but I'm sceptical it'll be any use. I feel sure he'll just tell me to try formula 24/7 to see if that makes a difference.

Anna if he was truly lactose intolerant he would not have put on any weight since birth and been very ill. My dd possibly has temporary lactose intolerance after her antibiotics, and it can take 8 weeks for gut to heal in baby under 3 months. She should be ok after. Nights are bad here with wind too, so annoying but I do remember this from dd1 whose system just needed to mature. There is usually a light switch around 12 or 13 weeks, wind doesn't completely go but gets loads better.

Dd2 will happily snooze for hours from about 7 am which does not suit at all grrr

I have just got used to no sleep I go to bed with baby when he goes down around 7.30/8 n he sleeps 2-3hrs n then is up every hr. Hoping tt clipping will mean he feeds better and we get more sleep.

Went to baby sensory this morning had free trial was great but cannot warrant £65 for 10classes when other baby classes are £35 for block 10 so could do 2 diff classes.

All Ok at 6 week check. Happy DH!

Woah at price of classes eastmidlands! Sensory is £1 here!

There's a new one started in a cafe in town... 6 quid a session!

Annarose2014 would you consider going onto ff full time if it meant you all slept? I think I would do anything to get sleep in your position.

Yes amy I am considering it, particularly as we got the TT Perfect Prep in the ASDA sale so it wouldn't be massively hard. I'm just not sure if it'll make any difference to his sleep as its trapped wind rather than hunger. He'll feed if offered it, but he's not actually looking for it more than twice a night.

And if it didn't make any difference at all then I'd have actually added work (though not much admittedly) on to my nights as BFing itself is quite easy for me at night. DH thinks this will miraculously sort itself out at 12 weeks so we may as well just stick it out as he's 9 weeks now. He also thinks its another growth spurt (not sure about that as he only finished one last week but you never know).

Of course if I thought FF at night would help, I'd do it like a shot, so may end up trying it out of sheer desperation.

Honestly haven't a clue what to do for the best. Its very aggravating.

Bless - it's hard isn't it? Just remember he will only be on milk only for another 17 weeks and then we'll have to start weaning!!!

anna I have no advice, but just wanted to sympathise with the paragraph you wrote about not knowing if it is CMPI that is upsetting your baby or something else. I could have written that exact same thing at the weekend. It is so hard that there is no test and you don't know if giving up dairy (which is hard and no one wants to do) is helping or not. Also, the not knowing what is going on with your own baby and what to do about it. I keep thinking this is my second baby and I work with babies, I should know what I am doing. I do think you might be right about his immature gut though. I remember DD1 screaming inconsolably for hours in the evenings for no apparent reason and that was just something she grew out of.

Around here sensory is £7 per class, block of 10. Looks quite good though, might book ourselves in. Thank you, ladies, for idea! Didn't know we had them in here. What other classes are you taking your LOs?

DD has started to scream much much stronger since when she turned 1 month. In fact if we are out and about and she decides to voice it out, there is always somebody amazed at her pair of lungs.

anna so sorry about your DS. Probably GPs don't know themselves either for sure and all they can do is try and guess and see if it works. Which is not of much help for us, mums.

Anna, I was in your situation a few weeks ago. Very hungry baby feeding nearly every hour, or just winging/awake just because. I fully formula fed for 3 days and after seeing the difference it made during the night and and establishing some sort of routine I couldn't go back. The increase in sleep together with having to restart my medication made the decision to stop breastfeeding all that much easier sounds selfish, doesn't it.

On another note DS was very windy. I didn't find Infacol that effective so I switched to gripe water. I was giving it during feeds, but switched to before on the recommendation of aunt who's an ex-midwife. He's much better now after 2-3 weeks of use.

I've signed up to a baby massage/sensory course starting end of February. £28 for 5 sessions. Unfortunately the course starting in January was fully booked

Sorry, just realised I sounds like I'm telling you to stop BF, that wasn't my intention at all! Just talking about my experience blah blah, ignore me

I need to get a virtual fistbump from someone and Facebook really won't care. DS is in his stretchy wrap, he went in awake and fed and nodded off after about 5 mins. Woop!!!!!!! I might actually be able to vacuum before the HV comes tomorrow.

Nicely done amy! We haven't mastered the sling yet.

We had the biggest poo explosion ever this afternoon. All the way up her back and in her hair. How?! Very traumatic bath and hair wash and my word we were in a state afterwards!

We've had a poonami as well Ark. Came in from Music with Mummy and town (after having to get a taxi there as she sicked on my shoulder as we were going out, so we missed the bus). She slept for over 4 hours (growth spurt phase 2 I think), woke up ravenous and let rip whilst feeding. I didn't realise how bad until I went to change her whereupon I discovered it'd come through to my trousers. She then sicked up a little on the mat meaning her hair now needs a wash (will do tonight). Currently sat grumping and hiccuping with a muslin round to prevent further spills onto her sleep suit/me.

I was really anxious about getting the sling exactly right until I went to the sling library meeting and the lady was so casual and just flinging babies around she really put me at ease. Tbh it's a little loose right now but I just keep hoiking him up a bit.

That's great amy!! babydolly only tolerates the fake moby wrap if she goes in it asleep.

We start baby sensory tomorrow, £70, but its Cambridgeshire so everything costs more here. I'm on the waiting list for a free baby massage course through childrens centre. Will probably do aquatots after sensory as they have to be 5 months for that.

Lady, I am so keen to get DD in the water too. Grow, BabyFiend, grow!

Anna, I am in exactly the same boat with the wind, right down to the waking up not wanting to feed but unable to settle because of tummy pains. DD quite often comfort sucks the boob for so long that she makes herself sick from overeating. But she rarely accepts a substitute for the nip I am off lactose at the moment to see if it helps, but I am 99% convinced that it is just a maturity issue.

Ark and Toni, another explosive poo club member here! She didn't quite get it to her hair this time, but did get as far as her shoulders. It also went up the front of her nappy and was all in her belly button. Ick. Her poo looking a bit green again today, had this a bit last week too. Trying to remember if I've eaten anything that might have done it but coming up blank so far!

DD is now down on the 5th centile for weight - 9lbs 3oz at 9 weeks. She's still putting weight on so am not too worried, but when I see her next to some of the babies from my NCT group she looks absolutely weeny!

WorkFree did it really make a difference at night? I can't find any info. Everyone asks if formula will make them slerp longer at night, but Google isn't giving me much about whether it'll help digestion and help him sleep more peacefully without all the discomfort.

Made dairy free flapjack with my 4yr old after school as baby was still asleep in car seat n I let him sleep for an hr so total hr n half asleep in car seat.

Flapjack was yum now after a gazillion night feeds will there be any left tomorrow!?!

I want flapjack now...