December 2012 tantrums galore and they're not even two yet!

[SpottyTeacakes]

Hope everyone finds this and I haven't doubled up!

I've got really bad back pain and ds is spinning on his zebra crying. No idea why!

[PurplePidjin]

WillYou sounds awesome :o

Spotty glad to know your HV is a useful a mine of information as mine chocolate teapot

hales and

Nutella I always feel better if I wake a few minutes before R in the morning, glad you've had a chance to recharge

Beasty poor kid!

WL sounds like the tough decision was the right one :) Have you got a pump? My hormones when totally bats when I stopped even though it wasn't forced, so take care of yourself for a few days x

I had a grown up friend round to do grown up things tonight :o (help her with some coursework, English isn't her first language) and it was lovely, if a bit odd not offering her a and some dinner - she's fasting for Ramadan. Her dd and R are buddies, would it be odd to wrap a little present for Eid in a few weeks? I would probably get something for his close buddies (a book from a multi pack type thing) for Christmas...

[WLmum]

pidj I think that would be a lovely thing to do.
I remembered today that my pump is still in a plastic bag, unwashed from my weekend away last month! Guess that's destined for the bin! (It's 7 years old and I would worry about old plastic leakage if using it to get feed-able milk now anyway).
beasty I'm intrigued about your niece - is it really as awful as it sounds?

[coffeeandcream]

Hi everyone, I found the new thread at last.

to stacks, congratulations!

WL sounds like quite an achievement for you and little one to finish bread feeding. I really missed it and found my boob got quite sore, even though they weren't sore iykwim? GP said ibuprofen for a few days should help.

Well I had my operation for sterilisation a few days ago. It was pretty straight forward and apart for coming round from the g.a in recovery, it's all been calm and problem free. I feel quite chilled now and like I don't have to worry about the future any more.

[ddas]

spotty grrr at your health visitor. Yes some diseases are more common in certain populations but a child can come from a middle class family with a high iq who reads lots etc but still have problems with speech for a variety of reason most of which have sh*t all to do with class. Sorry that was probably a bit harsh- some things just wind me up.

wlmum sounds like it's going well. Such a hard decision. Think if we had a 3rd which unlikely I'd never want to stop!

nutella hope you get a few more breaks. With this heat thought about you heavily pregnant ladies and how uncomfortable,tired & hot and bothered you must be getting. Had ds in August and that was me 3 years ago- feels like yesterday.

pidjin don't think you can go wrong by getting him something. Have quite a few friends fasting for Ramadan with kids who seeing on Sunday. Will ask what they think.

[WLmum]

Took the dds to the park after school today as big 2 wanted to ride their bikes. Took the scooter for T as she's obsessed with it, with the intention of towing her along. She was having none of that but also can't actually scoot so just stood on it shouting 'go go'! She wasn't a bit bothered by not actually going anywhere!

[ddas]

coffee welcome back. Glad you are recovering well & sounds like it was the right decision for you given how positive you feel afterwards.

[WLmum]

Great news coffee

[Barbeasty]

That sounds lovely WL

Glad it went well coffee.

Spotty it's irritating when everyone assumes there can't be anything wrong because you're "functional".

DN's trip is bad enough that MIL was looking to see if she had enough in savings to fly her back! She's not been able to wash since she got there and has af, and when they're not walking (which they do all day) there isn't anything to do.

She is nearly 16 and I think this is going to be the last time she goes away with her dad, although she's scared to tell him. His GF wouldn't go!

We've got the ballet lesson where we get to watch DD today. Should be good. A is going to MIL's so he doesn't disrupt it....

Yesterday he walked into his room, lay on the change mat and said to DH "change me". He did it to me too, but then got up and ran away.

[SpottyTeacakes]

Yes it was a rather odd thing to say but generally she's lovely. The only HV to not worry when ds dropped from 95th to below 50th in a couple of weeks. She said it's completely normal for babies of diabetic mums and I know what I'm doing so should carry on so I'll forgive her inappropriate comment!

Beasty that's so funny. Ds hates having his nappy changed. I'm tempted to move to easy up pants so he's can do it standing when it's just wet.

[SpottyTeacakes]

Just went to get bot dc's feet measured and they both needed new shoes. Ouch!

[Barbeasty]

Ouch indeed!

We got the last of DD's school uniform today. Very sweet, but also ouch!! I'm planning on inviting my dad to come school shoe shopping- he keeps offering to buy a pair, and this is one time we can guarantee we'll have to. Maybe A's feet could grow for the same point?....

DH took A on the escalator (standing next to him) for the first time today. Very sweet.

[SpottyTeacakes]

I've just got to get dd's logo tops now and some tights and hair bands. School shoes in a few weeks...

[Barbeasty]

A has been crying and shouting since we put both DC to bed around 6pm. DD has gone to the spare room, and DH went up about 45 minutes ago to sleep on DD's bed.

All quiet now, so I guess I get a night to myself.

[halestone]

Coffee, i'm glad your feeling ok

Spotty and Beasty i am closing my eyes reading about the new shoes/uniform expenses. If i don't think about it, it won't happen.

Can anyone please tell me how they sleep trained?? If your DC just screamed and shouted please mummy, i'm stuck mummy, help mummy what did you do?

[MrsNutella]

hales with DS we knew when we were ready and left him for longer periods. We learnt the difference between playing/grumbling/moaning and proper needing us call. Generally when he really needs something or is unwell he is either crying properly or just sounds really sad.
Also, routine routine routine. Bedtime is dressed for bed, stories, into sleeping bag, cuddle and singing, milk and cuddle and then into his bed "time to go to sleep DS" and when he stands up lay him down saying the same thing. Bit of shushing then "night night DS" and leave the room. Then we only go back if it's really really necessary.

We do the same at nap time but without milk. Bedtime is the only time he gets milk.

[MrsNutella]

That's kind of it, as briefly explained as possible. What's your routine? It's important to stick to it, gently at first and then gradually withdraw. But you know what's best for you and for H and what does/doesn't work.

[halestone]

Tbh i've always just waited to see signs that shes getting tired and then we take a bottle and go and get in her cot and she goes off to sleep. But for she seems to be going up later and later now if i'm on my own shes great but if DP is here she plays up.

Thank you for those tips though Nutella. What do you do if DS refuses to lie down and just gets up screaming and sobbing? H completely refused to lie down even though i was sat just by the side of the cot.

[MaMaPo]

Routine+++ for us too. She naps (when not at nursery) like clockwork at 12pm, and bed is usually 6.30pm. Sleeping bag, milk, same story, same song, into cot, 'night night, see you in the morning' and she's asleep in minutes. She knows exactly what to expect and it doesn't change.

That doesn't leave us much freedom, but it's worth it to us. Of course, if baby 2 happens they will have a very different experience but that's ok.

[MrsNutella]

hales that's a tough one... Often when I first leave DS shouts and cries (which is always horrible) but he stops quite quickly, because he knows what's coming and I know he doesn't want me to go but he won't sleep if I stay. Often the shouting lasts less than a minute or two and then he plays with his toys and chats away, or if he is really tired he goes off to sleep quickly.
Some nights I say "night night DS", leave and he is quite happy. He does the same chatting and playing. I don't know why sometimes we have shouting and sometimes not.
Totally agree with Mama, the routine can be restrictive but then DH and I know we have some time in the evening, DS is settled and we all get to sleep.

I would probably choose a bedtime that works for you - we started when DS was small with 9pm (to give us some routine) and noticed that he was tired earlier so adjusted it to suit him. We seem to have settled with dinner at 18:00 ish and bed at 19:00. They aren't set in stone but we keep to it, as closely as possible; because it suits DS and us.

I asked my mum about what she did when my brothers and I were little - because I wondered if I was being precious about it. What she described was pretty much the same.

[SpottyTeacakes]

We don't have a set nap time as it depends what I'm doing it's generally in the morning though. I do think a set bedtime is important. Eg ds was fine last night when we went out and didn't get home until 8 (usual bedtime 6:30) but he had a meltdown when I got him into his pjs and then kept half waking up crying for a few hours which he never does and I think he was over tired.

[SpottyTeacakes]

Someone has pulled out of my 'hen d I don't have anyone else to invite really not without it looking like I'm trying to fill a space which I am anyone want to come?!

[WLmum]

When and where spotty?!
hales T was very like that when I started sleep training. I used to sit by the cot and pat the mattress saying 'lay down' etc in nice soothing tones. Eventually she would and I'd stroke her head til she fell asleep. Within a couple if days she would lay down as soon as I patted the mattress. The challenge then is to teach her to settle without stroking which involved a few nights of crying and in and out but bedtimes are easy now. I'm just working on no cuddles at night wakes so repeating the process.
We were at a family thing today and dd1 was hiding behind the lounge door (hide and seek with dd2) and mil forgot she was there and regalled the room with tales of foreign objects in orifices from her days as an a and e nurse! So far there haven't been any questions!

[WLmum]

Argh I've got a belly ache reminiscent of last Sunday...really can't bear the thought of being ill again, and imagine phoning in to work - 2nd Monday in a row, same reason, right before I leave. Really hope it's just a bit too much rich party food that will settle down over night.

[coffeeandcream]

Arf at WL's mil!!

[coffeeandcream]

F's night routine isn't set in stone but usually tea around 5:15, bath 6:30, pjs and milk, clean teeth and into bed by 7.

We still sit with him by the cot until he is asleep. We've just got into the habit really and I suppose we should start doing the gradual retreat thing. But, we're so knackered by the evening, we just want a peaceful bedtime.