November 2012 - Are the LOs old enough for Mother's Day yet?

[StuntNun]

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Happy birthday Sophia!

Hugs VQ are you getting enough support from the doctor and HV?

Shudder at the worms PR. DS1 had them years ago and I hope never again. Keep an eye on your girls as DS1 developed an impacted bowel afterwards because he would wait as long as possible to go to the toilet after the pain and itchiness of the threadworms.

Donna my DS1 has ASD and the most obvious early sign of it (in hindsight as he wasn't diagnosed until 8) was a very uneven development profile. So he walked late, talked late and potty trained late. But when he did talk his vocabulary was very advanced, he could do drawings with perspective as a toddler, he did jigsaws like a robot just putting each piece in its exact place first time even when he was a toddler. Now age 11 he is still emotionally and behaviourally behind his peers but the gap is steadily closing. DS2, who is neurotypical, spoke similarly late but his development, particularly emotionally, followed a much more conventional pattern. So IMO it is the order of the developmental stages that is important, rather than the timing.

chick Hiya My HV said her daughter didnt walk until 19 months then they went on holiday for a week and she 'forgot' ??? How to walk, she finally mastered it at 21 months
My DD is happy too,rarely here a peep out of her,and pennie we must try and enjoy them instead of fretting.
stunt Thanks for the perspective
YW Glad all went well

Saw second nursery today. It was lovely. It's a no brained for me that I want O to go there. Applying for a space from September , they said she would get in but the system is like the school system in England, I won't know it until mAy, possible June.

VQ I'm so cross your paed has just dismissed him after one appointment just on the basis of his weight - weight gain is such a shallow measure, if the poor wee chap's quality of life is suffering then the paed needs to keep an eye on him and his meds and especially the management of any dietary reintroductions - grrrr.

VQ TBH (I hope you don't mind me saying this but I hate that you are suffering through so much illness) if it were me and my J were being sick as often as your wee man is I think I would remove dairy and soy traces entirely. It seems like he is reacting - I know he is poorly at the moment but for every bug to knock him for six and lead to so much sickness and mucus (which in turn makes him more susceptible to every bug going) suggests that his reflux / CMPI isn't fully under control yet. Jonas can cope with trace soy a couple of times a week but trace dairy - not a sausage. His reflux is out of control within a month if he has occasional dairy traces. We end up with a mucusy cough, him getting every bug going and I'm sure if he had been a puker he would have been vomming again. As it was I could smell horrible acid breath again so he was clearly refluxing again just on once a week dairy traces via BM. Some of them just can't handle it at this age - dairy traces into his diet directly might just be too much for him right now. A pal at playgroup has a wee girl who couldn't handle any dairy traces until 2.5. She is fine now. Maybe just leave it longer? I know you worry about treats and nice things they can have on such a restricted diet but he can have tesco value biscuits, lots of varieties of haribo, asda dairy free white chocolate buttons (they contain soy lecithins but lecithins are soy protein free so they shouldn't react) organix crisps etc - there are lots of snacks that are dairy and soy trace free. Maybe remove all traces for a fortnight and see where he is? I'm sorry you're still going through the reflux mill .

Stunt for your dairy and egg free diet thread - I just picked up some Bird's Eye fish and vegetable flipper dippers (fish finger type things with veg cunningly hidden in them) and Asda's own frozed sausage rolls - both are dairy, soy and egg free and will be used for easy lunches Chez Wellies!

"Making Rocky Road for mothering Sunday presents" also includes "sleeping a nice long time so Mummy can get on with it" right?

We're supposed to be meeting friends at soft play in 40 minutes, it's 20 minutes drive and we haven't had lunch yet and i'm damned if I'm treating him on a free day only to pay their prices for food

Egg-free sausage rolls YW? I'm there dude!

Pennie I'm in south east London, not too far from Streatham or Dulwich. But thank you for the suggestion. I'm not sure if they have anything like that round here but if there's still no walking in a couple of months, will definitely investigate. Didn't realise they had anything like that.

Stunt that's quite interesting, but i don't think I understand fully. Are you you saying because ds1 seemed to be behind on a milestone and then excelled in another at not quite the right stage, that that was a sign? Hindsight is a great thing isn't it and especially with your first.

Hey Donna I can totally relate to the forgetting thing. H was taking steps and then he got ill and seemed to lose his confidence. Can you believe our babies are you to be 18 months in a couple of weeks.

Happy birthday Sophia

YW H is exactly the same with walking. Not sure if I should say this or not but when I stopped BF in Dec my emotions were all over the place. I found out later that it was very normal as we had all these happy hormones being pumped into us with each bf, but I'm not sure if that would relate to you as you are growing a person, but just thought i'd mention it

Have not caught up yet. But needed to vent.

Have waited for 2 months for paeds appt, which should have arguably happened way before then anyway. Biggest waste of time. I am so disappointed.

The following phrases were uttered by the consultant.

"it can't be reflux, that goes once they are upright"

"omeprazole won't actually be doing anything as it won't stop the stomach contents coming up" (but I thought you said she didn't have reflux...)

"it sounds like this is all food intolerance rather than reflux" you don't say

".........." total silence in response to my Qs as she didn't have a fucking clue.

Am so . Her only suggestion was to stop the omeprazole. Because she doesn't have reflux. Rant over. For now. Am so disappointed, I could cry.

She actually made me feel a bit munchausens, as though I had imagined it all. I haven't imagined this, have I?

Chick with DS1 it was the uneven development that was the big sign of ASD. So for example at three years old he had very advanced speech and a wide vocabulary but he wasn't toilet trained and had poor gross/fine motor control.

Of course you haven't fucking imagined it! Shitting fuck that makes me so fucking mad. A consultant paediatrician who knows absolutely nothing about a common condition. She should be ashamed of herself. I am sorry it went that way bp

And congrats yw! Xxx

BP you are not imagining it stupid arsewiping cntbadgering fckityfcking waste of fcking time consultant. Was it a he, of a certain age? I've always found older bloke doctors to be absolutely cynical of the whole condition, prone to 'there, there little woman'itis and liable to make my punching fist all itchy and fighty.... I'm so sorry.

If it helps, our latest advice from the paed is that yes indeed if there is a food intolerance or an anatomical abnormality they can indeed still reflux at this age (the former is much more likely). We are going to wean him off his daytime omeprazole but we can only do this if we are sure that he is not going to be exposed to his trigger foods. I really wanted him to accept trace dairy before I weaned - it wasn't to be - he just can't handle it so we are just going to exclude for another six months, try again directly (and keep a stock of omeprazole handy for his next dairy trial). We are going to keep him on his nighttime omeprazole for a few more months and then consider reducing it depending on his symptoms.

Stunt they are Asda's frozen 4 for a pound sausage rolls - so I don't promise that they are gourmet or indeed not made of horse, but my sister's little girl loves them and they are another good way of getting fat into the wee buggers.

Ok in today's dairy hog news - profiteroles turn out to be worth waiting 15 months for!

Soph happy birthday Missus xxxx

Chick thanks hon. I am watching my hormones and whether my mood dips with weaning once I get past my short term gluttonous dairy highs. I hope preggers hormones are going to help me through it (and the thought I'll be BF again in six months) but I am more shouty and ratty with DH this pregnancy (which makes my sister say I'm having a girl) before I weaned so I will keep an eye on it. I think if I had kept feeding I would have risked BF aversion so I'm hoping it's the right time and it all works out ok.

I'm feeling epic. I have painted two coats of paint on the lounge walls, and pruned the front garden and planted four new plants - it's amazing what you can get done in baby free time. However the thought of not seeing him for another 30 hours is torture.

Thanks yw. It was actually a lady, 40ish. She said that if her symptoms didn't go then she needs a fundoplication (big unnecessary operation) which was our cue to go. ..

Ah still a card carrying member of the 'we called it colic in our day and just got on with it dear' contingent.... is it awful to wish them refluxy CMPI grandkids to make them give a shit about the condition?

O shat on the bathroom floor. Enough said.

Happy birthday sophia, hope you had a lovely day.

bp I'm so sorry. I'm grateful that in Hungary gps are different for kids and adults and they need to be peadiatritians. I went there actually today and got referral to the orthopedic clinic to check O's hips. Quick and easy, appointment is within a month.

Not caught up, but BP big hug sweetheart. You have not made anything up. Our Paed appt was similar, but at least he acknowledged he has a dairy allergy. That was all I needed from him. He told me to stop the Omeprazole too, but I said I wouldn't as it had only just fixed my baby. He then said I was right to give a higher dose. Bizarre.

It isn't just paediatricians though. I walked out on a consultant that I was seeing as a follow up to a six week bout of viral encephalitis. She kept talking about how it was actually a migraine. Yeeeess because people with no history of migraines get one that lasts for six weeks and then never have another one. Eejit.

I am a similar age to the consultant then I am still having my day

YW he only has things with 'may contain' on them, but they are often from Aldi Should I cut them out then?

I think his frequent illnesses are due to being in full time nursery and having older siblings, but nobody as nursery has D&V at the moment.

Oh, and I have an interview for the local job, not heard from Shetland yet. It helped me cope with a very bad day at work.

I have yet to tell my boss I am taking tomorrow off to care for J. I was close to tears whenever I thought about it. That is just not right is it?

Stunt, the GP would likely be supportive, but the HV can go fuck herself. I am amazed they have not contacted me - PND, child with allergy and ongoing health issues. If I were a HV I would be all over me, in a good way.

I got a gold star at work as I was the only one to meet the deadline for a piece of work. Two of my colleagues said they had, it hadn't saved the documents. I might have gloated inwardly

And please please never be afraid to suggest anything YW. The intolerance sun shines out of your arse!

I really like the system here too lily , similar to yours. My two see the gp for simple stuff if I happen to be going in for me, but otherwise they see a paed. I got worm meds otc today but if had needed a scrip would have gone to paed. They are, here, GPs+ that only see kids. Some of them are also consultants (our surgery has 3 drs of which one is a surgeon, but the other 2 also work pt in the hospitals). Then when there is an issue they consult with specialists. They are fab. It's f'ing ridiculous that you guys get fobbed off. There is no reason why the nhs shouldn't be able to cope.

Inward gloating at work vq