November 2012 - Adventurous eaters, food refusers and everything in between

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1767146-November-2012-Lots-of-mummies-going-back-to-work

[PetiteRaleuse]

chasing he is learning new stuff faster than ever before. He is also able to explore his surroundings from a new angle. He is digesting new, alien food, and who can remember what that feels like? He can communicate better than ever before. And his little teeth are giving him grief, along with the usual growth spurt pains. He wants to be more independent, but can't be. Because, let's face it, they're still relatively rubbish at most stuff compared to us

It's normal for them to have bad days now for no particular reason. Sometimes in the morning I realise LO is going to have a bad day. And she does.

Things to watch for are fevers, lack of appetite over several days, and dehydration, especially now it's summer. LO also gets grumpy when she's due a poo. Cheers up right after.

Don't worry. It was a bad day. He'll be back to his sunny self soon and if not, doctor.

[BigPigLittlePig]

Fruit ours is on the worktop, don't think there's any need for it to be in the fridge.

[ChasingDaisy]

PR He seems to be getting angry/frustrated. Sure he will be much happier once he can crawl. He also hasn't had a poo today.

[fruitpastilles]

Thanks pig

[Clarella]

Hugs chasing. that extra hormone yuck will not help G exceptionally difficult at mo. 6 months on Monday though 2 weeks late! He wants everything and wants to do everything and gets pissed off he can't then seems to need a sleep after an hour and half of being awake. One thing I am finding helps suddenly is a sling (he's hated them for months but now seems to get it) would he go in one while you pootle / watch tv/ go for a walk/ eat chocolate? Have had to do walks first but he's now accepting being in them in house (with toy attached) frequently nodding off in them.

Sorry not kept up quiche, been finding stuff tough (bf a fussy 6 mo old, zero sleep etc) but doing my version of sleep training (merge of stunts version and another thing I found on mn) and actually thinking it's starting to help (fx)

[Clarella]

Chasing sounds v like g. I've decided he's v over tired. Been waking hourly at night too. I've noticed he suddenly has much better eye sight this week and is spotting little tiny things and wants to pick them up including my nipple and dhs nipple. As a result he's extremely easily over stimulated too. So v frustrated and v over tired. I found a thread on mn with some good advice about naps and have been trying it (though not in his cot yet - naps by any means)

[ChasingDaisy]

Thanks Clarella hugs for you too. He has been napping less lately so I think you're right about the over stimulation/over tiredness. Might aim to have a few quiet calm days with him. He shouts/screams every time he drops a toy or can't roll over. Today I couldn't leave his line of sight without him crying.

[izzybizzybuzzybees]

We have ranitidine here too! Except my super cute cuddly chunk of a son weighs 10.6kg at 7months 1week! (that's 24lbs!!!) how long does it take to work?

pr I know we need to do something with his sleep but controlled crying seems hard. Also he may be waking in pain as well! And if he's hungry am I meant to leave him crying?! It's tricky. She left me a leaflet thing but it barely touches on it. Will be googling tonight!

[Pikz]

Chasing massive hugs and Clarella

Today I am thankful for awesome GPs and my vvvvdp who is currently making LO laugh so much. He is a ace father and definitely my lobster and has proved he can properly think for himself when it comes to LO today.

I am thankful that nurofen and Capol have allowed him to laugh for a while as he needs it as much as me.

[Kyzordz]

Marking place, hope to catch up later but chasing e has had a shitty day today too with not much napping and only a bit of poo. Maybe they'll have good days tomorrow?

[ChasingDaisy]

Izzy I was going to ask how you feel about controlled crying after the HV suggested it. It certainly isn't for everyone but you have been through so much with the lack of sleep. Is it worth giving the ranitidine a try first?

[izzybizzybuzzybees]

chasing I know we need to do something. I'm not too sure what it entails but my initial reaction to it isn't great! The HV said that it's suitable from 6months and that results can be within a week, that's the tempting part!

[ChasingDaisy]

It must be very tempting and a hard decision to make. Like you, I think my worry would be, what if he is waking in pain? It's so tough isn't it?

[PetiteRaleuse]

izzy if you can wade your way past the hype over controlled crying it really isn't cruel. People confuse it with leaving them to cry it out. That's not at all the same thing. It's certainly not leaving a hungry baby to cry. It does involve an aspect of routine though, especially in the evenings. I do it, to a certain extent, because with a demanding toddler too I can't spend ages settling LO. I suggest you read up on it, and adapt to what you need to do. You have to start getting some sleep. But when you read about it, remember the confusion people have. Controlled crying is NOT leaving them to cry and blocking your ears for hours on end.

[Clarella]

thanks for hugs. hugs back atcha all!

personally I get uneasy about cc if there's a possibility of other issues.a friend had success at 10 mo but ruled everything else out.

been trying to find that thread to post here but can't - I did copy the main text though if anyone wants it. the op had an exclusively bf baby who woke hourly in the night and was very 'alert ' in day. a friend of hers felt he was over tired and suggested a regime of naps. within 2 days said baby was sleeping 5- 7 hours at night (oh I fucking wish. 2 hourly and recently 1 hourly wakes for 3 months is not a regression. it's an issue)

I've adopted it and seen results already. (mind you I feel reflux issues vastly improved here) basically an hour and a half after waking (esp the morning nap which I think for g could even be an hour after waking) I provide a nap opportunity in a way I know he likes - car, pram (though he's nearly out grown carry cot. but hates push chair ) or sling (sling getting thumbs up from him) after lunch today I offered a lying on the bed feed so I could sneak a rest and we managed an hour and a half on and off.

weaning has had a shaky start as he's been too tired when I've tried. but today was fab as he'd fed when he woke from a nap and I got him at prime concentration time. it's taking some organising but I feel is worth it to reset something.

I can't believe he's been asleep for two hours now.

[Passmethecrisps]

Hallo.

izzy ranitidine can have immediate results but can take 1 week to show its full impact. If wee J has been suffering from silent reflux all this time I would be inclined to try a few days of ranitidine first then move onto CC. His throat is likely to be sore so avoiding crying for a few days where possible would be better. I don't really know what CC is actually. I suspect that there is confusion between that and CIO.

Hooray for awesome GP's and Dh's pikz! What a difference a few hours makes. Your GP sounds smashing.

chasing to you. PR had a load of good advice. I have come across lots of young women who find themselves faced with people's judgement for being thin. I find it amazing that strangers feel they have a right to comment on anyone's body shape or size.

mm I cannot believe that this insurance business is still trundling on. Fuck sticks.

Poor still-vommy j VQ.

[StuntNun]

Great news that things are going better Clarella and there's ranitidine all round!

If you're going to try cc Izzy make sure you and your partner are prepared for it and ready to back each other up. It can work really well and quickly for some babies. We did it with DS1 and DS2, going in every 5-10 minutes (it varies depending on which plan you follow) and saying there there it's nighttime. They were a bit older than 6 months though. DH tried it with J and it didn't work, the crying ramped up and up and after that he wouldn't sleep in his cot for a while. I do think you need a bedtime routine in place so that baby knows that it's time to go to sleep. Personally I prefer the gradual retreat method at this age but that means spending a lot of time with the baby as they settle and probably takes longer to work whereas cc is a short sharp shock to implement. Be warned though, the first night you may have to go in every however many minutes for hours. Then it should be less time the next night and relatively quick the third night if it all works to plan.

[Passmethecrisps]

Oh aye! clarella! P has started trying to pick everything up as well. I was wearing a dress with cats on the other day and p spent ages pincering the print.

Today's nomortunity was hummus with breadsticks. She grabbed the stick, shoved it in her gob and broke out in a big beaming smile. I tried to take the stick off her to replace it with a new one but she launched herself at it. Good job.

We were also at the docs as following P's intake increasing by 50% it has gradually slid down again and bottle refusal started again in earnest. Turns out that she could be on up to 20mg of omeprazole. He has said I can go up to 10mg without going back to see him. He was lovely and very that p's follow up appointment has been moved from July to September.

[PetiteRaleuse]

Nomortunity.

[ChasingDaisy]

Good job P. Breadsticks were on my to try list but have been struck off due to him not being able to stomach wheat yet.

[Clarella]

oh and this op did super early bed time no later than 6

[fruitpastilles]

Breadsticks are a huge hit here too. I had never thought to actually dip them in something though, silly mummy.

[PetiteRaleuse]

Embarassing moment of the day: answering the door to postie wearing DD1's frilly hair clips. Put on hours before to amuse her then forgotten about.

Scary moment of the day: testing DH's piss soaked iphone. It still works. Bit smelly though. But I can't exactmy clean it in soap and water.

Glamourous moment of the day: putting on the rubber gloves and doing a clise up inspection of DD1's potty work.

Stupidest moment of the day: mopping up some spilt puree when the dog could have done it for me.

Funniest moment of the day: DD1 lining up the garden chairs and dancing in front of them as if she had an audience. Then applauding herself at the end.

Night quiche x

[YellowWellies]

Just lost a massive post by being an eejit and pressing the back button. Arse....

Catching up....

Izzy great news on ranitidine and having a sensible HV! Give it a week, doseage might need to be tweaked - it might be he needs omeperazole. I'd sort out meds before controlled crying - not least because if it is reflux then crying just makes reflux worse as when they scream they bring up stomach acid. If meds don't work you may need to consider CMPI and cut dairy / soy from his diet / your diet.

PR mucus poos are classic CMPI symptom as is being generally snotty and mucousy. All humans have some degree of CMPI as our digestive system isn't designed for another animal's breast milk - its a spectrum - some kids will just be a bit farty others, like J will be a total Armageddon screamathon at the slightest sniff of cheesy goodness. Sob.

Cat bag and Madam total respect for being such clever boffins - I pitied my lawyer pals at uni when I saw what they had to revise for finals at Oxford. Its so opaque!!!! My brain just couldn't retain such precision.

I too was a 7-8 stone chain smoking near alcoholic when engaged to my consummate fecktard in my twenties. Friends used to sing 'oh cat you are just skin and bone, if you ate you could be beautiful' to the tune of yellow by Cold play. I couldn't see it myself. I put on weight when happy. I find no one says a word when I'm dumpy (until after I've lost it) but anyone will comment often nastily if you're skinny. It might be jealousy but its misguided.

Friends - I think the modern world separates us from childhood and uni friendship groups. Its sad. Modern life is quite isolating. I have amazing friends in Oxford and Orkney and want to make a new circle here in Fife but its slow going. My twin is my best female friend but I'd like some genetically non identical ones too as it can be like talking to yourself

Just bought a joint anniversary / fathers day present for DH. A day's salmon fishing on the Tweed with a ghillie. He's been such a rock this year he deserves something special. Am letting him open the card with the voucher in tonight - I think he'll be I hope so.