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StuntNun · 01/04/2013 17:48

And she only missed 10,000 posts!

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Sophiathesnowfairy · 04/04/2013 07:08

Chasing think on all stories/ east enders story lines/ news items where the woman ends up in hospital or worse, the unthinkable. How we hear that he was regretful and said he wouldn't do it again. And he did. And it escalates. And gets more violent. You never want for O to see it and want to try and defend you.

You are a strong woman with a great future. Just make sure you make the right choices.

Sophiathesnowfairy · 04/04/2013 07:09

[shock ] ky that is heartbreaking.

But good news about the knitting.

ChasingDaisy · 04/04/2013 07:31

kyz that's awful Sad

Only the one night feed here again Shock. Sorry Lily, I fear someone may have switched our babies.

He slept 7:20 - 1:00 and then back to sleep before coming in with me at 4:30 and he's still asleep now. I probably need to break the habit of him ending up in my bed but I think he gets cold and I like the cuddles, so will wait until it gets a bit warmer at night.

StuntNun · 04/04/2013 08:02

The StuntNun guide to sleep training

Caution: may only work with babyStunt. Also it will take a couple of weeks to work. And if you're in sleep regression then it won't be so effective until after the regression is over.

N.B. The three initial steps are done simultaneously.

Step 1: Feeding
I suspect J was catching up on his meals at nighttime and he was also using feeding to get himself back to sleep. I started a feeding schedule of 2 am, 7, 11, 2 pm, 5, 7.30, 10.30 to make sure he was getting plenty of milk during the day. I don't stick rigidly to these times; if he wakes at 6.15 then I feed him, I don't make him wait until 7. Also the 2 am feed has been pushing back later and later so he is getting a bigger block of solid sleep after his dream feed compared to when I started three weeks ago.

Step 2: Napping
I call this 'Sleep by any means necessary''. I aim for nap times of 9, 12 and 3.30-4ish (he doesn't always want an afternoon nap). I don't let him sleep past 5 so sometimes I have to wake him up. Again these are flexible times, a reminder of when I need to be looking for signs of sleepiness. Sometimes he yawns but usually eye-rubbing or the thousand-yard-stare let me know he's tired. I aim for a wind-down time of half an hour where we don't do anything too exciting - no tickling, TV, etc. I pull the curtains so it's darkish in the room, put J in his sleeping bag and give him his cuddly rabbit that he only gets at sleep time. When he was feeding to sleep I gave him the cuddly rabbit then as well to make a new sleep association. Sleep by any means necessary means I will cuddle, rock, sing quietly, pace, dummy, put him in the sling / pram / car, whatever it takes to make sure he gets some nap time. I try to avoid feeding to sleep, unless he is actually hungry.. The important thing is for him to get some daytime sleep so that he can sleep better at night. Over time I have managed to stop needing to feed him to sleep at nap times and he is now sleeping in his cot (all toys and mobile removed) for at least some of the nap time. For the noon nap I do often end up cuddling him while he sleeps. One thing to watch out for is getting him up too soon. Sometimes he wakes crying after 45 minutes and it seems like he has finished his nap but with a bit of help he will go back to sleep for another 10-45 minutes.

Step 3 Bedtime routine
This is really crucial. A good bedtime routine will program your child to fall asleep, honestly they won't be able to help it. All our boys have a consistent bedtime all the time including weekends and holidays. If you let then stay up late one night then they will stay up late the next night, it's just the way our bodies work. Once they reach school age, letting them stay up late on Friday and Saturday will make it very difficult on Monday morning. For J we do bath (optional), pjs, book, sleeping bag, feed, bed. The bath is good for knocking them out but I skip it if he's already tired and rubbing his eyes so he doesn't get overtired. I start an hour before I want him to be asleep because he will feed for a long time to tank up for the night. It's best to initially aim for a time when he's naturally going to sleep anyway then gradually shift bedtime forwards by 15 minutes a day until it's at the time you want.

I used these three steps to (a) get J into a regular pattern of sleep, and (b) establish a bedtime routine. My reasoning is that if he's used to noon being naptime and 7.30 being bedtime then he is ready to sleep at these times. Use of the bedtime routine and pulling the curtains / sleeping bag / cuddly bunny for nap times communicated to him that it is 'going to sleep time'. So once I had been doing all this for a couple of weeks I started the dreaded 'putting him in his cot awake'. I don't wake him up to put him in his cot but if he's awake I put him in, kiss him, give him his cuddly bunny and say goodnight. And then I play it by ear. If he's upset then I keep my hands on his face, head and hands so he can feel that I'm still there. If he's just alert I might offer the dummy, put my hand on his chest, sit quietly next to him or potter around the room. If he seems tired then I leave him to it. I won't leave him to cry for more than a few minutes and if he starts bawling I go back but he will now self-settle about half the time. He might start crying but then there are pauses in the crying, then he starts grumbling to himself, then he goes quiet and then he falls asleep. Over time I have seen an improvement in his night sleep since he is more able to put himself back to sleep. Over time I expect to be able to put him down awake with steadily less intervention.

So there you have it, a bit of a rambly explanation but it seems to be working. Crucially the times when I have had to leave him to see to my other children, he has often fallen asleep by the time I get back. I have tried to explain all my reasoning so hopefully some people might be able to draw something useful from this. We've gone from completely chaotic feeds and sleeps to a more predictable structure to the day. And hopefully things will continue to improve. Last night he didn't need his dummy at all!

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PurplePidjin · 04/04/2013 08:04

Sad Kyz. Daisies, please don't let that be you. Two women a week are killed by their current or ex partner.

I finished the hat I'm swapping for Ewan yesterday :o just need to buy it a pretty ribbon! Love finishing WIPs

PetiteRaleuse · 04/04/2013 08:20

kyz that's awful.

chasing being in a violent and emotionally abusive relationship is not only very draining but is very lonely. While you are making your plans keep talking to us, and we WILL keep reminding you why you are doing this. My ex had everyone we knew as a couple taken in, and I backed him up. When he beat me up to the point I was hardly recognisable I was unable to tell anyone but my closest friend. Everyone else, including my family and colleagues were told I had been mugged. I don't know if they believed me, but instead of reaching out for help I lied for him again and again. It took me over a year after that for me to leave, but when I finally did I felt i could breathe again.

Do you remember what it feels like to breathe really easily? To feel like you can say what you want without worrying how it will be taken? To feel you can enjoy your companion's good temper without worrying when they will snap out of it and turn on you? The expression walking on eggshells doesn't begin to cover it. Relationships like this literally suffocate you, remove your sense of self, and your ability to see what others see as they look in. They distance you from help, and you end up believing that it is your fault and you are in the wrong. And. You. Are. Not. He is.

When I realised my ex could no longer harm me all the myths he had built up round me fell away. I no longer saw him as funny, or charming, or kind, or sexy, or anything other than a pathetic, weak, abusive bastard. I no longer felt ashamed of what he had done to me, though did wonder how the hell I had been taken in for so long. And being able to breathe again was such a lovely feeling, and you won't know how much you missed it til you get it back. I promise you that.

Right, not every cold is RSV and not every cough is bronchiolitis right? Poor LO is breathing ok, and feeding ok, so no worried yet. Will definitely get her seen before the weekend though. Bloody bronchiolitis has traumatised me.

MaMaPo · 04/04/2013 09:04

Shock for Kyz, Chasing and PR. I have assumed that I don't know anyone who's suffered abuse from their partners but I'm being pretty naive, aren't I? Chasing, please listen to these wise people on here, and stay strong. Don't lose yourself.

Isn't it amazing, the little internal clock that tells babies to awake after 45 minutes? You could absolutely set your watch by little C.

Stunt, that's a helpful read. It works! I think I need to do more self-settling work but we're about to head to Denmark for the weekend so now may not be the time. Next week!

kirrinIsland · 04/04/2013 09:08

kyz Shock Thats awful.

stunt Thank you so much for posting that. DP and I were talking yesterday about how N needs sorting out before I go back to work - this will be invaluable.

PR hopefully it's just a cough, but probably best to get it checked out.

Luis sorry that the night you say you are thankful I'm around all night I then go AWOL! N slept 23.00-03.00 and then 04.00-08.45 Grin Grin Grin I feel like a new person.

Last time she had a good night I rewarded her by taking her for her jabs! And today is the same :( She's got her BCG later.

Titsalinabumsquash · 04/04/2013 09:19

Omg, DP is owing me big time, to the tune of all weekend lie ins and cake from my favourite shop.

I finally got J settled in his cot last night, dummy in, fast asleep. DP comes up to bed and decided J looks sad do wakes him up and puts him in our bed!!!!
Then promptly falls asleep so I've been up all night with fidgety, whingey baby. Hmm

PetiteRaleuse · 04/04/2013 09:21

Tits I think you're owed more than a weekend of lie ins for that !

StuntNun · 04/04/2013 09:24

Tits

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Passmethecrisps · 04/04/2013 09:25

Good morning lovelies.

What an amazing bunch of people and how interesting that we have come together and stayed together. We are now each others support and secret keepers.

luis I always feel sorry that I have missed your chat. I avoid looking at my phone in the middle of the night but I do think of you when I can't sleep. I read that food porn thread yesterday and it made me cry with laughter.

chasing I really hope you can feel the support of the whole quiche every time that motherfucker smarms and assumes he has you so broken that you can't live without him.

stunt your sleep and feeding guide looks massively helpful. We really have to work on P's day sleep. I will be seeking quiche support in this over the next week or so.

There was more to say. Will be back . . .

Passmethecrisps · 04/04/2013 09:28

He looked sad? There is something quite cute about that . . . But Aaargh! What a daft thing to do.

Weekend lie in both days
Cake
Bath run
Wine in bath
Dinner cooked

Both days

PetiteRaleuse · 04/04/2013 09:28

stunt have c+p'd that to read later

MissMummy1 · 04/04/2013 09:31

My name is MissMummy1 and I have a buggy addiction. Blush

I've just used part of my insurance payout to buy a Bugaboo. Grin

MissMummy1 · 04/04/2013 09:34

Tits I got M settled in her cot last night. 5 mins of CC (which I said I'd never do but it was obvious she was just overtired). I sat outside the room watching her on video monitor. As soon as she was asleep DP came racing upstairs and went in to give her a cuddle because he "didnt like hearing her being sad". Idiot. She slept in my bed the rest of the night.... Can I have cake too please?? Smile

StuntNun · 04/04/2013 09:36

I hope the sleep stuff is helpful. I did a lot of reading about different techniques but I think they all miss out on that vital communication that a primary carer has with the baby. As Luis and Detective were saying it's amazing how much you can interpret without words. So I have tried techniques that respond to how James is feeling but with a view to encouraging independent settling. I know there is a certain pitch of cry that has a viscera impact and I have to go to him right away and comfort him.

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Kyzordz · 04/04/2013 09:45

Sounds like you're doing really well with j, stunt :) very helpful guide. I really need to correct my mistakes, I'm just rubbish at it. My problem is I think that I let LO have a lie in. He's we've just got up now at 9:30. When he does this daytime sleep is rubbish and he tries to have a big stint of sleep at about 4-6 but he goes to bed for 8 so is more difficult to settle. If I get him up after his morning feed, even if he is back to bed within an hour, he will sleep the big nap in the middle of the day and bed time is easier with him wanting bed before 8. I know this, and still I cannot drag myself out of bed at his first feed (6-7, usually 6:30, I do not like this early time). I wake him for this feed and could leave him asleep but then he wakes at say 8 and the times are all messed up during the day. He goes 4 hours and isn't too fussed if offered it more than 10 mins early. But without the dream feed he wakes in the middle of the night. So I'm not sure what to do about the feeding bit of it all, but I could get my arse up at his first feed really couldn't I

Hugs pr

Really tits?! Oh dear! Silly man lol!

kirrin yay for a good night!!!

Passmethecrisps · 04/04/2013 09:46

Beautifully put stunt. I know when we have discussed people wandering off with our crying babies it is the pitch of the cry that makes it so hard. I have said before that there are some days where I feel P and I almost communicate telepathically. Daft I know but you get so tuned in that anyone watching might wonder what was going on.

mm Lolz. It will be fabulous and will have great resale value if you decide to sell it on after use. Which one did you get?

PetiteRaleuse · 04/04/2013 09:47

I'm leaving everything sleep related until I am sure neither child is ill and until Dh's bollocks are no longer bruised.

Kyzordz · 04/04/2013 09:49

Also pass (think you asked?) everything goes in Eric's mouth too from the minute he wakes up. He seems rabid sometimes! Mum said its how they learn about things, it being worth eating is of great importance at this age she reckons! So in the mouth it goes, everything, especially his feet.

MissMummy1 · 04/04/2013 09:56

pass It is the frog. In purple. My logic exactly! Still not confirmed when I:m picking it up though..

Sophiathesnowfairy · 04/04/2013 09:57

Yay mm you are my buggy twin. Almost. Loved my Bugaboo and love my Donkey even more. ( actually saw my old Bugaboo being walked up the high street by the woman who bought it the other week and wiped a tear)

MissMummy1 · 04/04/2013 10:04

Wahey sophia ! Now do I sell the my3 or luna or both? Or keep the my3 for offroad dog walks and give the luna to my mum as a spare? Hmm Grin

Passmethecrisps · 04/04/2013 10:13

Give Luna to Mum Mummy and keep the My3 for walks. Then be all purple fabulous with your frog.

Thanks kyz. As soon as her little mits grabs something her mouth opens and as starts leanig towards whatever her mit is grabbing. She even has a noise - sounds like a zombie!

Good idea PR. One thing at a time.

P stuck her hand on my pâté on toast this morning then sat holding the plate. I think she is showing veeeeery early grabbing and interest in food. I held the toast to her mouth (obviously I wasn't going to feed her pâté - that's all for me!) to see if she would open her mouth. Nope. Everything is food apart from, well, food.