October 2012: onwards, upwards and rolling over?

[YompingJo]

Is this part 5 already? Where did that time go?

bella that's fab news!

Anyone else got a baby rolling back to front but getting their arm stuck? DS2 rolls over and is perfectly happy, just with an arm stuck underneath

Yes bella! Great news and fab to having you back. Don't worry about routine, I think tis something us first timers attempt and you wiser second timers know is pointless!

Hugs mickey and yes where is fjord etc?

Hey does anyone remember the lady who came on here in oct who had just had triplets but already had twins or something terrifying like that? Wonder how she's getting on. Suspect a little too busy to post.

Bella that's brilliant!!! Hurray for Mr Bella!

mickey the pill might be what's making you feel down? Especially if you have just started taking it AND are having period hormone bleeding madness. Sending a hug and some And throwing in a

Smorgs how old is your bean now? We didn't really find the bean's sleep disrupted at 12 weeks - in fact that was when I swaddled her experimentally again and she slept right through! It was more when we came back after New Year so weeks 15-17, week 17 being the worst. Maybe you're getting it all over with early.

Livvy I think your DF would find himself still able to function after one night of sleeping with mini Livvy - but that's between you and him!

Bean is being quite clingy this evening. DH has her upstairs and is distracting her with her fav toys but every so often she just wants a cuddle from mummy. But mummy really wants to curl up on the sofa and read for half an hour. The guilt! The guilt!

And yes I have been wondering about fjord / CWest / Planktonette / Nenehooo and I hope you are all doing well! xo

angelico dear god I hope he is just getting it over with early. He will be 14 weeks on Wednesday. I feel silly complaining really as he's not the worst sleeper by any means. Think I just need to man up mum up

hugs mickey, bloody hormones!! great news about your dh's job, bella! god, our kids are such twins! amelie is also on and off my boob, it's so annoying! i can never tell when she has finished, and all the nipple sucking and spitting out gets uncomfortable as does the nipple swiping when she is having a breather. she gets very grouchy when i make the mistake of thinking she's finished when she hasn't...then i have to faff around getting my boob out again after i've put it away to protect it from her swiping paws.

Yay yay yay for your DH Bella that must be such a weight off your minds!

smorgs we had a bit of sleep regression around 12 week growth spurt.... as in waking up for a feed when she hadn't for a few weeks, think it lasted about 2 weeks. Then went back to normal for 3 weeks before sleep regression hit us, which lasted another week or so. Would have been a lot longer I think without Ewan the sheep and her figuring out how to suck her thumb.

Well done on finding 2nd hand wedding dress livvy That sounds like a good shop!

We have to go for hip ultrasound tomorrow as DD still has uneven thigh creases. So I've just freaked myself out by reading about things that cause hip dysplasia and am now really worried cos we do just about all of them. Arggghhhhh I just think having to have a harness/splints now would be the worst time with all the rolling and moving she's starting to do. Well we'll find out tomorrow I guess.

Well done Mr Bella! What a relief!

smorgs I think 12 weeks is a wonder week, plus there's a 3 month growth spurt. Then you do get some respite until 4 months ish. We are coming out of it now except dd has another cold

crazy yes! dd went back to front yesterday but couldn't get arm out of the way so just lay there a bit and rolled back, sure she'll figure it out eventually!

Good luck with us smile don't terrify yourself with Dr Google!

babypaving has been awake since 3am but hasn't fed since midnight. as you can imagine he and I are both pretty pissed off. what the actual Fuck????

Oh God, so little sleep . Why won't she sleep? What's with waking every 2 hours and then being awake from 4 until 7, feeding non stop and crying every time I have to unlatch her because it is making my nipples so sore? I can't take this for many more nights. I don't understand why she is not so tired she's passing out. I fucking am . Why does this always happen during DH' s on shifts and not his off shifts? I don't know what to do with her all day when all she does when she is not feeding is cry and buck around in discomfort. She doesn't want to be held, she doesn't want to be put down. I'm losing my marbles. I am, at least, managing not to lose my temper but it's becoming a close thing.

Livvy, I am joining you in cutting out dairy in a desperate bid to see if it helps her to be more comfortable. Despite being back on the full dose of Colief she is really windy and uncomfortable all the time now and has started vomiting up part of most feeds and has eczema on her legs. A cow's milk intolerance may explain it. The list of comfort foods I can't eat, as a consequence of this, is enough to make me cry . Still, looking on the bright side, the spare tyre around my middle might finally shrink.

Woe is me, today. Very, very tired and cross and self pitying woe.

Bella, really pleased for you and your DH

Yomping. Don't panic. There are lots of lovely foodstuffs available to non dairy folk. Admittedly when out and about it is a bit limited, but at home you are all set. I take biccies with me to other people's houses. The dairy free brownies from sainsburys are lovely. Nigella's recipe for muffins is dairy free. And so on. Honestly, for me, having a sunny baby makes it so worth it. I had a grizzle bucket yesterday as I tried goats yoghurt. It clearly didn't agree with me.

Anyway, I feel your pain on the sleep deprivation but if you have a sunny child during the day that has to help. Get organised, get the right stuff in the house (almond milk is lovely. Oat milk not bad, rice milk not all that) and you won't feel deprived. And, as you say, as an added bonus, it helps with reducing the size of my arse and tum .

oh dear crazy and yomping, sympathy on the bad nights. mine also had developed a bit of eczema on the legs, it never occurred to me that out could be diet related - I was just going to try using some sort of cream (did someone recommend coconut oil?). yomping does she sleep ok in the day? maybe you could squeeze in a couple of naps if her tummy is a bit more comfortable.
crazy, we have such similar babies feeding-wise don't we? I'm finding the inconsistency so difficult because not only does it have a huge effect on my body, my hormones and my supply, but it also completely defines my mood. if she is having a day of feeding well, I feel good- but if she is feeding badly and refusing and crying, it makes me feel very upset and worried and emotional and low. I really fund out hard to deal with. How are you coping with the difficult feeder?

exactly that London! on a good day I'm happy, on a bad I'm frustrated and stressed. what really gets me is that one day/week he'll feed like a complete monster and really up my supply, then another day/week he'll barely feed and my boobs are so sore. argh.

my ds1 had quite similar issues, (although was generally eventually persuaded) so I get less pissed off this time. I do find it deeply irritating that he won't feed with ds1 in the room though. that's just unnecessary.

the only way I can really make sue mine feeds well is to do it when she's half asleep in a dark room with no noise. she just gets distracted otherwise... guess we just have to push through...!

We are still having horrendous sleep - baby smiley would happily feed all night and currently waking every hour or so. I am exhausted and being so tired is starting to get me down - I find I feel really anxious and low. Don't know what to do. I know controlled crying is not for us so that's just not an option.
Bella, so pleased for you and dh. He has done brilliantly!

God huge sympathies yomping smiley and crazy that sounds horrendous. No wonder you're feeling down and stressed.

Our night was slightly better waking at 11, 2 and 5, at which point I gave up and let him lie on me in bed latched on but asleep for an hour. I'm a bit worried he has started puking up at every feed though. Not just spitting up a bit but bringing up about half the feed I think. Only been the last 24 hours but I've got through multiple bibs and three outfits.

wooly what is a wonder week? Is it good or bad?!

It's a period where they make important developments so good that they are learning new skills but tends to make them more fractious, clingy and sleep poorly! There's a book about it but also a cheaper smartphone app and you can download the chart for free if you Google it! Don't know how others are finding it but seems pretty accurate for baby wooly. You have to do the dates from due date rather than when actually born thou.

Londonmrss, daytime sleep is also going to pot. Have been unable to get her down in her cot for last 2 days (without putting her down and letting her cry which I can't cope with doing) so she's sleeping in sling or in car which is good because she is getting sleep but a bugger because I can't capitalise on it. I drove for an hour and a quarter yesterday just to give her some sleep time :-(

I accept this calmly because it is just a phase. My baby girl needs gentleness, compassion and patience.

Or, if that fails, repeats alternative mantra: I accept this grudgingly because DH is at work. When he gets home I need (dairy free) ice cream, pizza and gin!

Thanks Livvy for the tip, will swing by Sainsburys for the brownies!

Smiley, same with the night feeding. The concept of feeding TO SLEEP currently seems to be lost on her! I am being horrible to DH because I am so tired, especially in the night. At 4am he asked if there was anything he could do to help and I bit his head off . Was too grumpy to apologise until just now .

Don't think there is anything at all any of us can do except to hang in there, take every day/hour/minute as it comes, congratulate ourselves for not handing our babies over to a willing passer by and fecking off (!) and hold on tight to the knowledge that it will pass.

smorgs yy to the puking. Out of nowhere, and now at most feeds. I feel like saying I bloody made that milk, you cheeky minx, don't throw it back up!!!

Wooly, I have that book too but it makes me cross (most things make me cross at the moment tbh!) because it tells me to comfort my child more during these phases, but she won't be comforted so it makes me feel like a shit mum, and also because I don't really like the idea that all babies conform to its nobbing chart. I like the idea of my baby being an individual (an individual little bugger at the moment ) - but then again it's quite comforting thinking that what she is being like at the moment is normal and can be explained. Gah, I don't know. Is it really possible that they all go through the same stages at the same time, for the same length of time? Seems a bit to me.

I to am trying dairy free and we've finally decided on the baby biotics. londonmrss we're getting stuff you give directly to your baby - i'll let you know how it goes, and crazy and yomping also - an unhealthy gut can cause so many problems, including eczema and the skin is always the first thing to show internal problems. I recommended coconut oil - freakin' elixir of the gods! We do everything with it - cook with it, use it in place of nappy cream or vaseline or anything, massage oil, use it as a treatment for cradle cap and also as a treatment in his mouth for thrush. Sweet almond oil is another good one. We've never used talc, Sudocrem, nappy cream, or ANY Johnsons stuff.

Although I love bread, I really, really think gluten is the worst thing...I really don't think our digestive systems can cope with it, though we kind of force it on ourselves to accept it because it's such a cultural thing to eat it. The paleo approach shows that if our human evolution spanned a football field, wheat, grains and oats have been consumed for about a foot of the football field! We only eat them because they are a cheap industrialised source of mass food. If we are fortunate enough to have a choice in our Western world, I would choose not to consume them. To add, all those things turn to sugars in the body, which fucks with your hormones - something we don't need right now!

In short I've cut out all cereals, wheat, oats, dairy - agree with yomping about almond milk and DS is like my purity barometer. I see the effects of it on my own body but I kind of ignore it - "oh I'm a little bloated, but I'll keep having toast for breakfast" kinda thing. When I eat any of the above things i've cut out, I immediately see the effect on DS - bad skin, bad tempered, windy, bad tummy, unhappy.

Sleep - still struggling early evening. I feel like I don't even want to try because I'm so afraid it won't work and I won't know what to do. I'm re-reading No Cry. It doesn't help that i am conflicted - keep him close or begin taking him up in the evening? Stupid question - for those of that put your DC to bed i.e. take them up to a cot of an evening - do you return to them for feeds around 10-ish?

smile4me really sorry to hear about the uneven thigh creases. I didn't even know this was a thing...you must be so worried. Hope it goes ok at the ultrasound and it doesn't come to braces and things :(

oh dear I'm struggling today. dh took ds1 to his swimming lesson and I dealt with fractious ds2 by myself. must admit, when he's sleeping so poorly and such a pain in the day I start imagining what shape he'd make, cartoon-style, if I drop-kicked him out the window took it out on a kitchen cupboard with my foot earlier.

doesn't help that my wonderful godmother is suddenly dying of cancer. which fucking sucks. and I can't go to see her. I feel really fucking angry and pretty miserable and it's hard to cope with alongside the extreme sleep deprivation. I am so exhausted and so fucking sick of being exhausted.

gah

Who knows! I don't know if it's accurate or not really but I do find it serves to remind that everything's a phase and will pass. DD definately more clingy at the mo thou, not happy to be held and getting a bit overwhelmed by other people (which is not handy as mil and bil visiting this weekend).

I know what you mean thou - I read a lot of baby books + online advice and sometimes think I should just bin it all.

sorry x posted - crazy so sorry about your godmother, that's horrible news. hugs.

Orenishii, I've looked into paleo before but at the moment it's all about convenience. I'm lucky if I get 5 mins to make breakfast and often have to do it accompanied by a crying child. Cereal for breakfast and sandwiches for lunch is quick and easy. Can I ask what sort of things you have for breakfast and lunch and how you get time to prepare them?

My other issue with it is money (we're living on very little at the moment) and a DH who, if you took away grains, dairy and sugar, would have none of his diet left!