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Petalouda · 31/03/2011 21:27

Post-natal thread for all the antenatal April 2011 Family! Grin

Share the birth stories, the baby blues and everything else.

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Cyclebump · 24/04/2011 17:26

Ooh Frak, DPs and DHs are made to be cried on!

Took H for a walk this afternoon after spending most of the day in pjs. H decided it was wakey time from 2am-4.30am this morning. Finally cracked at 3.30am and fetched DP to help me as nothing was good enough and the screaming was getting to me. We both got a bit snappy with each other but it would seem that the unspoken rule is that we don't hold grudges over middle-of-the-night spats. Phew!

Petalouda · 25/04/2011 11:18

Morning all,

Hope everyone's having a lovely weekend.

We went to see uni friends yesterday, they were so excited at meeting F - it was brilliant! And completely bizarre, to be sitting with old friends (made through general student drunkenness & filth) with a baby! Who'd have thought! Very surreal and natural all at the same time!

It was so hot, it was tricky trying to keep F in the shade. When he was asleep (which wasn't for long) he was in the carrycot half under a bush (which I thought was quite sweet!) but mostly we sat inside feeding! Before we left, DH & the other 2 boys ('boys'?! they're 30! Although always 20 in my eyes!) change his nappy - it literally took all 3 of them! Like builders round a hole in the road! Hilarious! And then as we left, F puked all down one of my friends! They loved him!

Had a reasonable sleep last night too. Fed at about 2-2:30 and 5.30-6.30 when it was light, so it really only felt like 1 night feed. I read last night that babies might be able to sleep for 5 hours at a time when they get to 11lbs. F's not that big yet, but it gave me hope! I've busted out the dummy again, to try to fob him off a bit longer, hoping to stretch out feeds a bit. I'll let you know...

I should shower while he's asleep, rather than sit here emptying my brain on to you!

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Cyclebump · 25/04/2011 14:11

Five hours?! [eyes mist up at this distant dream].

H screamed and fed all morning after which DP came home from work (my God I wish he had a standard 9-5 job sometimes) and took him. He finally fell asleep at about 12 on DP and I've been running round like a blue-arsed fly. The flat is hoovered, the kitchen is clean, the shopping arrived and was packed away (nearly snogged the delivery man as he was bringing my ice-cream), the washing has been hung out, I've tidied various bits and taken the rubbish out. Phew!

DP has been doing all his paperwork one-handed with H asleep facedown over one arm (methinks the colic is back).

What on earth did I do with my time before I had a baby?

stuffedmk · 25/04/2011 17:13

Have had a good few nights with T waking for feeds at similar times then going straight back to sleep. Am however having a mare with reflux getting worse, think I shall also be propping up the end of the cot. Have had Dr Browns bottles recommended so may give these a try. The sma staydown milk does not stay down Angry.
Gaviscon didnt really help with DS1 but will speak to GP when I see him for 6 week check to get some to try with T....you never know. For now we are getting through many clothes and bibs and muslins but at least I have dealt with it before, takes a bit of the worry out of it just not the hassle Hmm
T is living in vests at the mo, I have a horrible feeling our summer is going to be over before we get through May!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 25/04/2011 18:12

Just checking in on all you lovely mamma's Smile

Sounds like you're all enjoying the eye-opening early days, there are so many things nobody ever told you and that you never knew isn't there?! Fun, exciting and bloody knackering Grin

that whole being a certain weight and sleeping more is a load of old shite. I hate to shatter illusions, sorry.

Cycle - sounds like H enjoys the panther in the three position. My friends little girl was a fan of that and it became a sure fire way to get her to sleep.

Frakk - at night time, dress M in the same amount of layers as you, then add another one. At the first feed check his core body temp on his back or chest (arms and legs aren't an indicator), if too hot take a layer off, if too cold add another layer. A sweaty back of the head is also another good indicator of being too hot. I hope the baby blues pass for you soon, they're an absolute shit and leave you wondering what on earth you have done. But then they go and even though you're knackered, things become easier.

39+3 here, lots of cervix, lower bump and bum hole (tmi?!) pressure, but not much else. I feel ok with that though Smile

Petalouda · 25/04/2011 19:07

oh, come on ILTMIMI, that thought would've got me through a week of 4am feeds! Confused Grin Thanks for more heat/clothing info. It really helps to have people with experience around!

And can I have a zoologist-pedant moment: I've also heard it called 'tiger in the tree' position, and though 'panther' is somewhat of a generic term, surely it should be Leopard in the tree (only tree climbing cat that I can think of)!

Cycle - I'm dead impressed with your domestic wizardry - I'm pleased with myself if I can empty/load the dishwasher & wash the nappies in a day!

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ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 25/04/2011 19:41

OOOHHHHHHH, get you and your zoologist knowledge Wink Mind you, at least you realised I meant tree rather than three Blush

Oh, gotta go I've got a chicken passanda calling my name.

Cyclebump · 25/04/2011 21:18

Am so tired, come on baby wake up and be fed so I can go to bed...

Am not at all a domestic goddess Petal, that's me done for the next six months housework wise Smile

BeetleBaby · 25/04/2011 22:58

Jo Thank you Smile and glad to see Conor has such good taste in music Wink, we've not tried S on Radiohead yet, but he does seem to go for The Pixies, The Cure, The Clash, The Manics... much more my taste than lullabies!

Chilli I've not tried the Babasling as (if I remember correctly) it's an over one shoulder type which I worried would make my back ache, and being on the short side myself I find that style of bag are always uncomfy as they sit too low on my torso. I have a Hug-a-Bub wrap sling and I love it (as does S!) which I find much easier to adjust for my height.

Frakk hope you're feeling better today. Baby blues are just shite, mostly because you end up having no idea what emotion it is you're feeling which is very disconcerting. And I agree DH/P are made to be cried on, mine has spent most of the last 2 and bit weeks covered in snot and tears.

We're making real progress with the boob feeding and have managed to breast feed every feed from 7am today Grin I'm still having to express lefty as not quite got the latch on that side but I'm not too concerned as it means I have a stash of milk in the fridge in case the night feeds don't go so well. I'm also having to use breast shells as otherwise S ends up soaked when feeding, currently they're gathering 30ml each feed (!) but it all goes into the fridge stash!

It'll be interesting to see how more breast and less bottles changes S's night time feeds, somehow I think I'm going to end up worse off...

joins Cycle and Petal in the 5hrs sleep dream

JenAT · 26/04/2011 09:32

Morning everyone.

I'll join you all in the knackered club! We did have a really good few nights but seems it was too good to last! George fed continually from about 9-12:30 then slept for 2 hours, then basically up hourly crying and wanting boob to for comfort, for rest of night. He has done about 8 poo's, extremely watery and seems to just be out of sorts and unsettled. I am wondering if he has a bit of a stomach upset, perhaps from something I have eaten? I know he is tired but he keeps waking to poo!

DH is annoying me, just because he had more sleep than me. He has the ability to sleep through George's crying. Then had the audacity to say that last night wasn't too bad! I think I am finding fault with everything he does at the moment. It annoyed me that he was sitting in bed on the laptop, when dd needed to be dressed, washed, given breakfast so she could go to nursery. We pay for a full day from 8am and its now 9:30 and dh still hasn't taken her to nursery. I've just ran round like a mad thing unloading dishwasher, cleaning up breakfast things and putting washing on, leaving George screaming upstairs. Moan, moan, moan!!

Well I feel slightly better now.
Rant over.

Frak how are you feeling? The baby blues are horrible. I turned into a crying, raving ,loony for 24 hours.

Beetle glad feeding is getting easier for you.

Petal sounds like you had a good time meeting up with your uni friends. I still keep in touch with mine, and we meet up once a year for a pre-christmas get together with husbands, kids etc. We hire a big house and eat lots of food, and reminisce about the old times. Its now 10yrs since we graduated. Over the past few yrs , children have started to appear, this christmas we had 4, next Christmas there will be 2 more. Each year we have to find a bigger house! Its really lovely to keep in touch though. In fact one of my friends had a baby boy just 4 days ago, so George and him are only 6 days apart in age.

dappleton · 26/04/2011 10:56

Hi Everyone!
So glad i've found this thread, very reassuring to know we're all in the same boat with our April babies - congratulations to you all.
Oliver was born 10days ago and only now am I finding time to get back onto MNet, i'll post more later when I haven't got a whole load of housework to do and just 1hour til next feed will almost certainly be due!
How can such a little person be so time consuming?

frakyouveryverymuch · 26/04/2011 11:21

Well we survived night 1 and night 2 and I am now ALL ON MY OWN with baby for a bit as DH has gone to sign papers at work and buy me a breast pump. Before anyone shouts at him the papers are so we get a whole 3 extra euros a month for having had a baby and so they can't deploy him for the next 2 weeks, therefore they're important!

Here follows a brain dump - feel free to scroll past.

Birth story

Although it felt like hell at the time I actually mist up thinking about this now.

Contractions started Wednesday afternoon although I managed a 3 hour phone conversation with my best friend without them bugging me too much and we went for a nice walk along unmade roads which kick-started a few more vicious ones. I decided to have a bath and wash my hair then went to bed, only couldn't get comfy so left DH to it and got up to move around. After a while it was pretty obvious that I was actually in labour and I had a show, followed by some more (and some more!). Yoda ball didn't help, I just wanted to walk around, lean against something when a contraction hit and have a heat pad on my back.

After a while I got DH to call the maternity unit to say that I was in labour and check whether they had space for me. They weren't too enthusiastic about it - saying they were very busy and couldn't promise they wouldn't have to transfer me - and advised me to stay at home until morning. That sent me into a total tailspin. I have a hospital phobia and they're the ones who know about me and my birth plan and the place they'd have transferred me was horrible - 'you arrive, we do an internal, we monitor you continuously, we give you an epidural, you will dilate at 1cm/hour, you will not eat/drink/pass go, once you are fully dilated you have an hour to get the baby out or we will assist' - so I decided that I was going to stop the baby coming until they had space Hmm. Actually tensing up just resulted in very painful exhausting contractions and I tried to lie down but by 6am it was quite obvious it was futile and we went to hospital.

Examination on arrival showed that I was 2cm dilated (a self-exam at home had me at 4 though, although I know it's not hugely reliable!) and the stress of transferring in managed to stall my labout for 4 hours. At 10am though DH made me get up and walk around, do some t'ai chi and that really got things going again. All fours was the most comfy place to be but it gave me backache and then a lovely midwife came and helped me stand against the wall with the Yoda ball in the small of my back (and then attached me to a monitor but that was okay!). When she came back she was a bit worried as the monitor wasn't picking up baby's heartbeat properly and she said it might be a good idea to transfer to a different delivery room where they could do wireless continuous monitoring. So I had to walk all of about 20m but somehow that coincided with everything ramping up a notch or 10! The next half hour was a bit scary - lots of being attached to monitors and having to lie back while I was poked and prodded which wasn't a comfy position at all and I was shaking so hard from the pain of being flat on my back they were worried I was fitting but it got better when I lay on my side. Then about hal an hour later my waters went with a pop - I swear I felt to pop inside! Then suddenly I was screaming and demanding a CS or at least an epidural. The MW asked DH to translate and thankfully he said 'she says she wants a C-section at once or an epidural but she doesn't really, she's in transition' while I'm there shouting 'I do, I do!'. Upshot was she offered me G&A and in 2 minutes I was high as a kite. MW warned DH I might seem a bit disconnected and apparently I replied 'disconnected is goooooood'.

Shortly after I had a really uncontrollable urge to push and freaked so got on my hands and knees. MW said I coud start pushing, then left again and it wasn't too bad until I reached down and felt the was half out!!! So DH called her back. Then it started to sting so I had more G&A and 10 mins later head was out, another 5 mins for the body, he was delivered up and through my legs so I sat back onto my heels and he was there. I was in shock, DH cried. Then we had lots of lovely skin to skin and 2 hours of BFing while I was stitched up.

Hospital stay wasn't that bad - staff were lovely and fab at establishing BFing. Stitches are healing fairly nicely and on the last night we had a private room so DH could stay over Grin

And then we came home - out of that nice controlled environment - and suddenly we were alone with this small child and he was sleeping (which isn't normal for a 3 day old, right?!) so naturally we worried, and we couldn't control the temperature in the lounge so we were worried he was overheating, and then we were worried the bedroom was too cold. Mind you we were freezing because I insisted we took the duvet out of the cover in case he ended up with us. In case! Actually it was pretty inevitable that he would migrate from his bedside crib in to us... Went for a long sleeved body and a cotton lawn swaddling cloth plus us and that seemed to work. Medela nipple shields lifesaver that first night - just 2 feeds with them managed to restore my ravaged nips and I've now slathered them in lansinoh and using disposable breast pads at a rate of knots.

Okay. That took me about 3 hours to write including feeding and nappy changing, and DH returning with a breast pump and half the pharmacy, and now he's grizzling again so I'm off to be munched!

JustKeepSwimming · 26/04/2011 16:55

Am just getting my laptop sorted out so just posting to get back on Threads I'm On.

All ok here, lots to catch up on.

Petalouda · 26/04/2011 19:34

Jen - it's 10 years this year since our first year at uni, I'm the first in our group to get married & reproduce. We've had a couple of engagements since, and one other wedding, but no-one seems to be following the baby route just yet. Hope they will soon though!

Frak - fantastic birth story! Some bits sounds a bit scary though, but it sounds like you handled it really well. I'm amazed they kept leaving you alone, especially so close to the end. Is that standard practice?

Hi Dappleton, congrats on baby Oliver!

Beetle - well done on the feeding, you must be feeling so much better! After all that talk of sleep yesterday, F hardly managed more than 2 hours at a time last night, with one feed taking 2 hours and coinciding with sunrise. Now that's not my favourite thing to see! (makes me feel like there's no more night to sleep, which is ridiculous, because we did go back to bed till 10am - with more feeds, of course).

We're going to attempt to go to breastfeeding group again tomorrow. We've not made it out of the house before 12:00 yet...

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frakyouveryverymuch · 26/04/2011 19:53

Petal it's not standard at all - in fact I had to argue for it. My birth plan specifically requested that the number of people be kept to a minimumk, DH and I be left alone wherever possible and that staff requested permission to enter (except in an emergency). That's why I agreed to the continuous wireless monitoring - it meant they would leave us, if there was a problem the machine would beep and they were very quick about coming when called. Good compromise all round IMO. I certainly didn't feel neglected!

Tinwe · 26/04/2011 20:25

Hi all! My baby Hazel arrived 2 weeks early so with a due date in May I didn't joined your antenatal club - can I join you now? Just posted on your antenatal thread and was redirected here. Sorry I haven't read up on all previous posts, I'm hoping I can start from here.

Hazel is our first and I was told to expect her late so from spontaneous pop of my waters when I sat down (DH even heard it) to her arrival very quickly afterwards (4 hour labour in total), I think I was in shock! We only got married in December and moved at the end of March after a house renovation so the whole pregnancy and birth has been a whirlwind!

We had a water birth cos've my SPD and it really helped. As she arrived so quickly i was in shock and vomitting, shaking and drowsy for the first part then faint with the gas and air so only really came too after she was born. I tried for a physiological third stage but after an hour of heavy blood loss we went with the injection and pulling hard! A0art from that I consider myself lucky all went well, she's a star and im healing well - already had a couple of days out :)

Petalouda · 26/04/2011 20:41

Wow, Frak, that sounds quite cool!

Can I ask a bottle-feeding-expressed-breast-milk question: We're starting to express milk so that DH can feed F occasionally. I expressed 130ml yesterday, and DH is feeding him now.

How much breast milk should I expect F to have at each feed?

Normally I'd just put him on my boobs till he falls asleep, and so have no idea how much he's having. I need to work out how much he'll need for a feed, so that I can maybe, perhaps one day, if I'm lucky, go out?! (just for a little bit!)

(update: he had a bit of boob before DH got home, and has just wolfed the 130ml of expressed milk. I think he's going to want even more. Is this normal, or have I bred a proper chubster?!)

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Petalouda · 26/04/2011 20:43

And welcome Tinwe!

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frakyouveryverymuch · 26/04/2011 20:55

IME you can expect him to have the equivalent amount a baby of his age on formula would take at least, typically up to 1oz more. however it really depends on his age and weight and do be careful he doesn't sick it straight back up because he gorged himself on the easy flow from the bottle and over-stretched his stomach.

Good to see you over here tinwe!

Petalouda · 26/04/2011 21:05

yup, all over the sofa!

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Alibabaandthe80nappies · 26/04/2011 21:20

Welcome Tinwe and Dappleton - congratulations! :)

Frakk - I'm with you on the clothing confusion. It's been warm here and we've had T in just a babygro (no vest) and with one of those big muslins folded as a cover. When he comes in with us, then we push our pillows right to the far edges of the bed - big bed - and T goes up between our heads so that only his legs are anywhere near the duvet. If it gets cool in the night then we put a muslin or a cellular blanket over him. It is a nightmare though :)

Petal it's really hard to say tbh. Lots of people reckon that a baby will take more from a bottle just because the milk flows so much quicker - which bottles are you using? He might be having a growth spurt, or just a hungry day. 130mls is what, 6-7oz? Which sounds about right for a baby his age, but you can't tell.
It's why I gave up expressing with DS1 and am not bothering this time round, because it never gave me a reliable break and so the expressing seems a waste of time and effort!
Sorry that's not really very helpful is it? Confused

BeetleBaby · 26/04/2011 22:45

Hello All,

Thank you for all your lovely words of support and advice re. our breast feeding saga. It looks like we've finally cracked it Grin It's been much appreciated having this thread to blather on about it all and have had so many kind words.

Petal S is a little younger than F but usually takes 90 - 120ml from the bottle but can want more or less depending on which feed it is (and what mood he's in!). What I've been doing is giving 90ml to start then topping up 30ml at a time if he's still hungary. This stops S gorging himself silly as he gets time to rest and realise how hungary he still is and also means that rather than me warming 120ml+ and then wasting loads if he only wants a small feed the most I bin is 30ml ish. (This works for me, especially as I use the breast shells for which ever side I'm not feeding/expressing from as milk will just pour down me otherwise, the shells collect around 30mls each time which I stash in the fridge.)

Welcome Dappleton and Tinwe and congratulations on your LOs. Tinwe I had a waterbirth to help with SPD too, great stuff isn't it? I can still vividly remember the mental sigh of relief when I got in the pool!

Sounds like I'm being beckoned by the ruler of the house...

Alibabaandthe80nappies · 26/04/2011 23:07

Beetle I'm so chuffed for you with the feeding :) Your experience has been really similar to what we went through with DS1 - I ended up feeding him until he was 2 because I couldn't bear to stop having battled so hard to do it in the first place!

Cyclebump · 27/04/2011 08:22

Welcome Dappleton and Tinwe and congrats on the new arrival!

Am knackered after a heavy night. H didn't sleep at all well but I think it's because he got cold. Our bedroom gets chilly but because DP is weirdly hot-blooded he never realises when we need a heating boost to keep H toasty. His little hands were freezing this morning when he started to cry after only an hour and a half's kip, so I put him on my chest and as soon as he'd warmed up he fell straight back asleep for another hour.

He's far less grumpy after his morning feed than he was yesterday and I'm sure it's because he's had enough sleep.

I too get confused when feeding expressed milk. I go for about 3oz at a time and, even then, we have to break it up a bit or H just throws it up. Again, I can always warm more if he needs it but I hate to waste any as I so rarely catch a moment to express.

frakyouveryverymuch · 27/04/2011 08:27

Well done beetle - I only came in on the end of the thread but I really admire you for persevering so determinedly.

BFing question: I have what looks like a big hole in the middle of my right nipple. What can I do to a) stop it getting worse, b) help it heal and c) prevent it from happening again/to my left nip? DS has decided he doesn't like the nipple shields any more, unfortunately. Or maybe my boobs are too full to really fit them properly.

Ali this co-sleeping thing is complicated! Babies in cots I can do, babies in bed with me (which btw feels totally natural and right now he's here and makes sense) I have no idea where to start. If this is what new parents usually feel about everything

In other news....we're in cloth! Loving terry squares at the moment. The Motherease we had a bit of a bizarre experience with - one was fine, but he didn't have the wrapper on because it was hot hot hot so he was in just the nappy and then later in the evening he was in nappy, wrapper and vest, went to change the nappy and the nappy felt dryish, the wrapper felt damp, his vest at the back under his bum was soaked but his back itself was fine so it probably wasn't sweat? And it was it was in the wrong place to be pee really....

Petal next time get DH to pace him a few oz at a time. Babies who guzzle from the boob are often too enthusiastic about bottles. I think it's because they do need to work harder to get the milk out, whereas babies I've seen whose mothers have a very fast let-down are more chilled about bottle feeding so take more time over it.

When should I start expressing properly? DH informs me I need to go out on my own before his paternity leave ends so I'd like to leave a syringe of milk (not giving a bottle until at least 2 weeks) and at the moment I'm just using the pump to relieve the pressure when it