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notashamedtobemiddleclass · 13/05/2010 16:03

...and I am fed up with people saying/inferring that my family are not "normal", "ordinary", "hardworking" people because our household income is more than £50,000.

DC isn't a bad person, out of touch with the "real world" because he went to Eton and came from well-off parents and my hubby and I aren't bad people out of touch with the "real world" because we are so-called middle class! There's more to the "real world" than struggling to make ends meet.

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notashamedtobemiddleclass · 13/05/2010 16:39

oops - just realised that on Mumsnet DC usually refers to Darling Child or something like that. Obviously I meant David Cameron! Sorry - I don't really do acronyms!

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sarah293 · 13/05/2010 16:40

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OrmRenewed · 13/05/2010 16:44

I don't think it is either riven.

And I retain the right to dislike DC regardless of my income!

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Chil1234 · 13/05/2010 16:49

Well said notashamedtobemiddleclass. We should have moved on from making snap judgements about someone because of their accent, school, heritage, income, postcode, name or choice of dress. However, a lot of snobbery and inverted snobbery still exists... even on MN (shock horror!)

notashamedtobemiddleclass · 13/05/2010 16:50

I think most people would see the 2 as being linked. I don't actually really believe in the class-system, (hence why I said "so-called middle class") but it's how we (and I mean my family personally when I say "we") are labelled because of our income, where we live, the car we drive etc...

I don't mind being labelled middle class until it becomes a negative thing, which esp throughout this whole election campaign, it has done.

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Chil1234 · 13/05/2010 16:59

Actually 'middle class' like 'boffin' and 'lag' is a term only used these days in newspapers. In the real world you're classified into some trendy marketing demographic. You'd be an 'ABC1' consumer in old parlance... something much fancier now, now doubt. Rebrand yourself as a 'hard working family'... there's a phrase that hasn't been done to death. LOL!

notashamedtobemiddleclass · 13/05/2010 17:09

Riven - I am referring to the continual references Gordon Brown in particular made to caring about the "ordinary hardworking people of this country" in his election campaign, when what he actually meant was people on lower incomes. Thereby implying that those of us on higher incomes are neither ordinary or hardworking, and definitely not worth caring about. Unfortunately plenty of people (inc a heck of a lot on MN) buy into the same theory and are extremely disparaging about anyone who lives in a 4 bed house, has 2 cars, earns above the national average etc...

It's the same with education too - so much was said about how the children to be cared about were the less bright kids from poorer homes. The bright kids from similar backgrounds of course also deserved support - good teachers, great resources, varied opportunities etc... No mention (bar from David Cameron) about the bright kids from "middle class" homes. My kids deserve good teachers, great resources and varied opportunities too!

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notashamedtobemiddleclass · 13/05/2010 17:12

Chil1234 - Love that! Off to think up a new tag-line for my life!

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expatinscotland · 13/05/2010 17:12

The word 'bourgeois' and the name 'Hyacinth Bucket' spring to mind.

LadyBlaBlah · 13/05/2010 17:17

Sorry, whats the point here?

ooojimaflip · 13/05/2010 17:21

Ordinary Hardworking families was a bit of a theme of all parties though wasn't it? I want to know who is looking out for the extraordinary lazy families.

notashamedtobemiddleclass · 13/05/2010 17:24

Sorry to disappoint you expat - we're nowhere near as wonderful as Hyacinth! Just ordinary people who happen to have a good income due to hubby's professional job in the private sector, and 2 kids, one of whom in particular is very bright. (The other lives entirely in her own wee world - so who knows how she'll get on when she gets to school as right now the only word I can use to describe her is dotty!)

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expatinscotland · 13/05/2010 17:26

K, then, to paraphrase Lady, 'So what?'

If you're fed up, it's probably time to turn the TV and computer off.

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expatinscotland · 13/05/2010 17:31

Why do they always slag off benefits claimants and not prisons?

It really doesn't make sense, seeing as that claiming benefits isn't a crime and being in prison means you're a criminal.

expatinscotland · 13/05/2010 17:32

Is it because most prisoners are male?

Chil1234 · 13/05/2010 17:44

It's precisely that no-one mentions the middle-class that's remarkable because it's a big section of the community. Labour always promised to support the infamous 'hard-working family' but, every budget, this description turned out to not be all-inclusive. Stealth taxes have chipped away at disposable incomes - which you'd expect from a party devoted to a redistribution of wealth. But if Labour wondered why they didn't do better at the polls on Thursday they'll probably find it's because they lost a lot of the public-spirited middle-class support that Tony Blair originally appealed to. They took them for granted.

Loujalou · 13/05/2010 17:50

My household income is over £50k and probably am middle class. But still sobbed tears of misery when DC came into power. Am definitely leftish politics rise. Might even vote Labout next time.

PS Tony Blair was never left wing - he was a Tory.

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TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 13/05/2010 17:58

Are we supposed to be ashamed of being middle class? Oh, crap, no-one told me.

Think the politicians say 'ordinary hard-working families' because everyone assumes they are talking about them. No-one thinks, "not me, my family is freakish and idle".

And funnily enough, the bright kids from well-off families generally end up doing well no matter what, so it's hardly surprising they're not offered extra help. I forget what age a bright, poor kid starts to fall behind a less-bright rich kid, but it's a bit of a shocker. Look it up if you're interested...

But by the way, if your net household income is over £50k, you are not 'ordinary', you are in the top 5% of UK families.
Statistically, you're more of an outlier, less of a Joe Average.

AndieWalsh · 13/05/2010 17:58

Eton is not middle class, love

2plus2more · 13/05/2010 17:59

you speak a lot of sense Chil1234 I HATE inverted snobbery/prejudice!

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TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 13/05/2010 18:03

And despite mostly hanging out on the politics threads, I've never found anyone that disparaging about being middle class. I was once called a champagne socialist, but if you're a Tory (and I'm guessing you are), I doubt you've had that problem?

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