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well my BNP thread didn't take long to get deleted did it?!

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MaBella · 06/05/2010 22:48

All I said was that they were racist nazis bastards!!! is that really so bad? or untrue??

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Ineed2shoeswhotovotefor · 06/05/2010 22:49

but the other one is still here, supporting racism..............
wonder if MN HQ will ever stand up and be counted

CornishKK · 06/05/2010 22:49

And some other people said they were cunts. And they were right.

OliviaMumsnet · 06/05/2010 22:50
MaBella · 06/05/2010 22:50

So its ok to spout racist, biggoted crap but its not ok to say anything bad against the BNP!!!

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Ineed2shoeswhotovotefor · 06/05/2010 22:51

I can't ebliev a site for parents would allow the BNP to promote thier sick filth on here

MaBella · 06/05/2010 22:51

Hi olivia, guess we should get our coats then!

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Monty100 · 06/05/2010 22:51

Olivia - but they are!!!!

OliviaMumsnet · 06/05/2010 22:56

here's Justine's response to this from earlier in the week

Ineed2shoeswhotovotefor · 06/05/2010 22:57

great
so you will continue to allow posts supporting the party that wants to kill children like my dd...

noddyholder · 06/05/2010 23:03

I am shocked too considering there is one poster offending many and she is still posting while those against the BNP are getting a stern look What is going on?

HinnyPet · 06/05/2010 23:06

Olivia, I can't find Justine's post amongst the 1007 on that thread!

Ineed2shoeswhotovotefor · 06/05/2010 23:07

By JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 04-May-10 13:12:20
Hi all,
We've had a few requests to delete this thread and we quite understand why folk don't want to see pro-BNP messages on MN but whilst we sympathise with the sentiment we are a discussion site and we do allow people to voice their opinions, even unpleasant ones. So we're going to leave this but will of course delete any racist posts or personal attacks - please do report any.
Thanks.

the link goes straight to it

whifflegarden · 06/05/2010 23:12

So we aren't allowed to voice our opinions though?

EricNorthmansmistress · 06/05/2010 23:18

BNP CUNTS FUCKING RACIST WANKERS {more election wine}

Gwan MNHQ delete me I double dare ya

whifflegarden · 06/05/2010 23:28
Grin
fearnelinen · 06/05/2010 23:30

Get yourselves on that naughty step...it's gotta be at least 1/2 an hour...??!

WingedVictory · 06/05/2010 23:32

I think the BNP should be allowed to say what they want to. It allows us to actually hear what they are about, how nasty, inhumane, and, frankly, rather stupid, they are.

Allowing someone to speak is not necessarily granting them "the oxygen of publicity"; rather, it provides the antiseptic effect of daylight (think of the effect of exposure on MPs' expenses!).

PiratePrincess · 06/05/2010 23:44

Winged I don't agree, I think the more they get publicity the more people see them as "normal".

Am horrified they're getting any votes tbh.

Valpollicella · 06/05/2010 23:50

So we get to keep the 'YAY I vote BNP' threads

But anyone calling them bigoted, racist, homophobic, mysoginistic twats gets deleted? And those who vote fr them are ignorant and deluded, especially if they're women (read up on that quote about rape...)

That about right?

onagar · 07/05/2010 00:00

I can see why you don't want posts in support of an organisation that is bigoted, racist, homophobic and mysoginistic, but if MN ban the BNP on those grounds they'd have to ban Catholics too.

kate1956 · 07/05/2010 00:01

Don't think the BNp should be able to say what they want - it legitimises their disgusting racist fascist homophobic revolting views - from kate, daughter of an immigrant and proud of it!

fearnelinen · 07/05/2010 00:04

The BNP should just piss off. I have debated and argued all over MN with supporters, gntly persuading, influencing, encouraging and SCREAMING using every trick I know to try and get supporters to READ THE BLOODY MANIFESTO! And yet they are all too stupid to bloody figure out what they are voting for.

Seriously, these early results are showing 000's of supporters, sure they are NEVER going to win, but this is 000's of raving idiots walking around our streets and mixing with our kids looking for the next little Adolf. Fuckers. Fuck off. Take your 'pure' race and live on a rock somewhere.

Valpollicella · 07/05/2010 00:11

Onager I do see what you're saying.

But the Catholic Church's manifesto (or whetever their equivalent) does not support the same shit as the BNP's manifesto.

It's illogical to compare the two as one is a political party and one is a church.

You vote for a party that could have repercussions on your neighbours.

Essentially you can be a member of any church and not have any 'leaning' on neighbours/friends/family

Religion is personal, and people accept it as such.

Vote for twat heads like the BNP. It affects us all

PrettyCandles · 07/05/2010 00:12

But why not say that the BNP are bigoted racist morons? That's not a personal attack. It's an attack on a party and on what it stands for.

Now if you callled a certain poster a biggoted racist moron it would not be acceptable -no matter how apprpriate.

WingedVictory · 07/05/2010 08:58

Thanks, PiratePrincess and kate1956, and not a sarcastic thanks, either, as I realise I should be more nuanced in my belief in free speech.

Of course I don't believe in promoting hate speech, but I also think that racist/extremist parties such as the BNP benefit from too great a degree of censorship. If information by them and about them is confined to margins and "channels" which people have to seek out, they will not be subject to mainstream scrutiny, and will be able to hide better.

Of course, there is a danger of normalising and legitimising extremists and extremist views, so we should be careful not to guarantee political "balance" (though, given the nature of the UK's media, no chance of that!).

There is also a danger that extremists will "raise their game": that is, subjected to more rigorous scrutiny, they will sharpen their intellectual skills and begin to sound more "reasonable". I suppose that could mean a temptation to cut off unpleasant views from the resources to improve their intellectual position, whether those resources are universities or media.

Hmm.... that last line of thought keeps going, and I will have to think to the end of it.

However, another thing to do is to raise the standard of debate and scrutiny by and on behalf of views which are humane and just. There is an appalling laziness about political discourse in this country. DH and I were discussing politics last night, and we decided that part of the reason for this is the stupid lack of proportional representation, which means parties target their efforts on marginals, rather than fighting a really broad and meaningful campaign about what they really believe in. Meanwhile, media understanding also falls short, with this obsession with the "swing", as though we only have two political parties. That's not quite true, is it?

If major political parties are failing to say what they mean, because they can rely on voters' gut feelings, aren't they benefiting from the same censorship I was talking about above, which benefits unpleasant extremists like the BNP?

I'm just making this up at the moment, so please do consider it a real debate and attack these ideas with proper rigour - otherwise, I'd be a bit of hypocrite!

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