What % votes do LIB DEM need to win outright?

[Cablepower]

Sorry to sound politically niave but I'm hearing how certain percentages across the three parties could lead to a hung parliament...but what is the tipping factor in terms of number of votes that would enable LIB DEMS to win outright?

Anastasia thank you for the website.

Wow! The big guns are out.

I'm an 'alleged' parent / disingenuous / patronising / pollitroll.... and unsubtle.

Remind me what the damning evidence for this is?

A long first blog / backing one party too vehemently / joining in the 11th hour / dodgy name / popping up too often...but not enough on other parts of MN? Mmmmm..convincing.

Glad you have taken a considered opinion.

Oh...apologies for not mentioning breastfeeding but my 14 year old is a carnivore....off to knit some 'Cleggwarmers'now.

PS I'm sure Mumsnet is brilliant but my kids are growing up and I worry about what sort of a world my they will inherit. With the election imminent, it was the political site that drew me in to MN. Thought it would be less biased than papers, TV , radio. Shame that ( a minority of )you are so judgmental and so quick to mudsling. Think you need to question your own assertions and integrity.

Scary teacher, get real...even a pollitroll would have chosen a better name than Cablepower. Or is it the double bluff? Aha?

Wow, Cablepower you are really not doing yourself (or the lib dems) any favours here.

Yes you have a right to say what you think. You do not have a right to order us what to think.

Equally, if you do tell us what you think, other people have a right to feel respond in kind. That's how the internet works - it's not a one-way soapbox where only your view counts.

And btw it's nothing to do with being new or old. In case you didn't notice, people were remarkably polite and helpful when they thought you were actually here for debate and with genuine questions. Or did the responses on the first half of the thread not count?

Theyoungvisitor - the Mums who answered my question without suspicion were brilliant, helpful and gratefully received. I believe I made that clear earlier in the thread.

I'm not trying to do myself (or LIB DEM) any favours....just expressing my opinion that democracy matters to me and I believe that proportional representation is the fairer way.

You just don't get it do you?

You have accused me of being something I am not.

My question was genuine, I am not a pollitroll and I very much enjoy being a Mum.

Can we please stop bickering and get back to politics?

Theyoungvisitor - the Mums who answered my question without suspicion were brilliant, helpful and gratefully received. I believe I made that clear earlier in the thread.

I'm not trying to do myself (or LIB DEM) any favours....just expressing my opinion that democracy matters to me and I believe that proportional representation is the fairer way.

You just don't get it do you?

You have accused me of being something I am not.

My question was genuine, I am not a pollitroll and I very much enjoy being a Mum.

Can we please stop bickering and get back to politics?

I didn't accuse you of anything. Where did I accuse you? I said that we'd had problems on this website with trolls and that these people were doing their cause more harm than good.

In fact I made it perfectly clear that I thought you could be a genuine poster. Of course you might not be. I might not be. We all might be making things up. That's the internet for you.

But in actual fact I don't care if you are a mum, a dad, a fishmonger, a martian or anything else.

What people objected to was the fact that you were spamming them with your political views. Debate is one thing. Constantly popping up and saying "vote lib dem!" is quite another - it's canvassing and it's spam and it annoys people.

It would be just as annoying if you popped up on every thread saying "shop at Tescos!"

If someone posts widely and says interesting things and then one day says "by the way, I think that Tesco home delivery service is fantastic" then that's fine.

If they join a forum purely to post "Tescos is fab" and nothing else, then it's spam.

I'm not saying go away. I'm not saying I don't believe who you are. I'm not even saying stop supporting the lib dems.

I'm saying post like a genuine person and engage with debate before you tell people how to vote. If you can't see the value in that then [shrug]

...and Libdems in capitals each time is a give away really....and 'Cleggwarmers'?

Just because you have a teenager doesn't mean you can't go on the wider site - try the Education threads or the teenagers thread in parenting.

Wonder if we'll see you on here next week.

The Young Visitor - I think it particularly annoyed YOU. Yet you speak on other people's behalf. 'What people objected to....' I too think the Mums on this website are perfectly cabable of making their own minds up.

I would have expected most people to have switched off after the first few lines and not to have taken the bit that rallied for support for quite so seriously! I even bored myself.

'Post like a genuine person...' what is this?!!!! Free speech and political debate but don't tell people how to vote?

Do you seriously believe anyone can't spot ouvert canvassing a mile off?

Scaryteacher - 'Clegg warmers' was a joke - made me laugh!

Damn I didn't know CAPITALS were dodgy too.

Can you stick to politics please?

Or can you only debate on the basis of syntax / tone / authenticity / genuineness / length of service on MN ?

Who really cares about politrolls? Let them come I say...I don't mind being lectured at or spammed or told how to vote. I'll listen to anyone if the political content stacks up. And if they only come this week...maybe it's because there's an election on Thursday and suddenly it matters a lot. Maybe Mums will stay after...maybe not. But at least they came and saw that MN is a great networking site in all respects.

Even verbous, repetitive, patronising, spamming, one-week-wonder politrolls should be allowed free speech...they get a vote don't they?

Focus on the politics please.

PS Have I mentioned...I'm voting LIB DEM damn lib dem.

I would never ever say

SHOP AT TESCOS

That would be unscrupulous.

Cablepower, it's also a good idea not to refer to Mums. Especially not with a capital letter.

I'm on your side, but there's not a lot of point putting people off in this way.

'I don't mind being lectured at or spammed or told how to vote' well, I do.

As for politics - I vote Tory because they are the only ones who have any idea at all about defence, and are promising a joined up foreign/defence policy. Hurrah!

As for the Libdem idea that you can put a Trident warhead on an Astute class boat duh.

I don't like Cleggs pro European stance and his anti Nato stance either.

scaryteacher, Clegg isn't anti-NATO - that's the whole point behind not replacing Trident like-for-like, that we don't need doubling up within NATO.

We do need it though; otherwise we are dependant upon France and the US. Many things are 'doubled up' within NATO, as Nations are concerned with their own defence first, and NATO second.

I think the efforts of the EU to mimic NATO have been misguided, especially when you compare the size of the EU Military Staff to NATO.

scaryteacher - I'm happy with a nuclear alliance in the form of NATO.

One thing that's been misreported a lot in the election campaign is that the Lib Dems' policy isn't actually unilateralist.

What if the US pulls out of NATO? That leaves us dependant on the French; not a good idea, especially as we have yet to see how long it will take them to throw their toys out of the NATO pram this time.

What is the conservative stance on the environment?

Scaryteacher - I share your doubts about Europe....and hope the lib dems mean what they say about listening to the wish of the electorate. But I am with Vesela on NATO.

It's just that I don't trust the conservatives to tackle the economic crisis with real fairness and distribution of wealth from rich to poor. Also, we produce so little now in the UK that we are becoming so economically dependent on other countries, particularly China. For me, the more worrying danger to our country is defending our economic stability. One hope is going big on renewable energy and green industry. But environment with economics does not feature strongly in the conservative manifesto. I would rather the money from Trident go to rebuilding a UK green economy...so we could be a little more self suffient.

I want them to build nuclear power stations.

Renewables (windmills etc) will not provide enough power, nuclear will.

You haven't answered about what will happen if the US pulls out of NATO?.

I don't buy into the redistribution of wealth bit anyway. If you redistribute all the wealth, those that earn the money will stop, as there will be nothing in it for them, and the money dries up. Labour are rapidly approaching the point at which this happens.

Agree that windmills not enough but Hydro is a big opportunity and don't like Millibands idea of clean coal. Just would have liked more from conservative manifesto on renewable future.

I recently read a really good book on the economy written by a conservative who I much admire. He was not making any political stance but it really made me think about how things need radical change. Emotionally I want to be won back by the conservatives policies but rationally I should vote lib dem.

I thought the NATO question was addressed to Vesela? I put the withdrawal of trade in higher priority as that danger is tangible and with decisive economic / environmental policy it could be tackled.

If Iran wanted to blow us up there's not much we could do. Too simplistic an answer? No strong views sorry...ask Vesela?