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If Scotland and Wales have their own Parliaments

38 replies

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 20/04/2010 13:21

Why are they interfering in England's election?

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YesYouMust · 20/04/2010 13:23

Because Englands election affects us too.

anastaisia · 20/04/2010 13:25

Phrase the question differently:

Why don't England have their own Parliament as well and then have a UK-wide house made up from all of them?

helyg · 20/04/2010 13:26

Because we have an Assembly (not a full Parliament) which has limited powers eg education, health etc, but other policies such as taxation, pensions etc are still decided by Westminster.

(that BTW was my best shot at a polite and informative answer )

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 20/04/2010 13:27

Interfering wasn't the word I meant but I was posting quickly.

I am not being arsey YYM, I am genuinely interested and don't understand. That okay?

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Wallace · 20/04/2010 13:27

UK election i believe...

Wallace · 20/04/2010 13:29

Sorry cross-posted. thought you were being arsey

Granny23 · 20/04/2010 13:32

Well you heard it here Scottish & Welsh folks. We are interfering in an ENGLISH election. It is certainly the impression an alien would have if they are watching the Election debates from planet ZOG.

Scottish and Welsh voters - you know what to do!

helyg · 20/04/2010 13:32

Anastasia makes a good point.

It would make far more sense for England to be devolved too, and then have a kind of "parent" UK parliament.

But IME a lot of English people think that Westminster is just "theirs".

Downside of devoloution though is that you have to vote twice as often. So double the election door knocking and flyers!

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 20/04/2010 13:32

Thank you helyg, even if you did appear to want to be rude.

Not all of us know everything about politics.

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YesYouMust · 20/04/2010 13:33

Funny for not being arsey, your reply to me seems it too.

But yes because it is a UK election, i don't see why England can't have something similar to Wales and Scotland, but it's not for me to campaign for it.

helyg · 20/04/2010 13:34

And what about Northern Ireland?

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 20/04/2010 13:35

OFGS no need to be so stroppy.

Wales and Scotland are countries in their own right and have their own Parliaments I don't think it is unreasonable to ask why they are involved in this election!

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prettybird · 20/04/2010 13:35

Becasue it's not "England"'s election: Westminster still rules the UK and "allows" the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly to do run some but not all of their own affairs.

SOme of us woud be more than happy to leave the English to get on with things, if they let run our own affairs indepednetly . And that would include giving us the oil revenues that have kept the UK afloat for the last 20-30 years.

helyg · 20/04/2010 13:39

If you are genuinely interested in the differences in devolved powers:

NI Assembly and Welsh Assembly are both Assemblies with very limited powers

Scottish Parliament is a proper Parliament but does not control everything.

I'm all for education

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 20/04/2010 13:39

Thank you for that prettybird. I did not know that.

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YesYouMust · 20/04/2010 13:43

LOL @ Ms Stroppy moaning about me being stroppy!

Maybe some of us are coming across as stroppy as we are fed up with certian people thinking the world revolves around them.

YesYouMust · 20/04/2010 13:44

people refers to plural, rather than just you Fab.

That looked like it was aimed just at you and it wasn't.

BessieBoots · 20/04/2010 13:47

Short answer: Because a lot of what happens in Wales and Scotland is decided in Westminster.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 20/04/2010 13:48

What I object to is the Scottish and Welsh MPs being able to vote in the Commons on purely English matters.

For example tuition fees. Scottish MPs voted to keep tuition fees for English students while voting to scrap them for Scottish students in their own Parliament. Very wrong IMO.

Prettybird - I am all for devolution, but I think you will find that the oil revenues just about pay for the additional per capita revenue that Scotland get from Westminister, so don't bank on Scotland suddenly being awash with cash.

DuelingFanjo · 20/04/2010 13:53

it's an English election?
oh. I wasn't aware of that.

Are the Labour Party, Lib Dems and Tories English parties? Why have they put things through my door then

helyg · 20/04/2010 13:53

I agree Alibaba, but surely if England campaigned for devoloution you'd get it too? It took decades of campaigning to get it in Wales, it wasn't something that just happened overnight.

Although to be fair where we have Plaid Cymru you have the BNP...

Granny23 · 20/04/2010 13:59

SNP MPs do not vote on England only matters.
Where did you get that piece of nonsense about the oil revenues? They are enormous and have kept the whole UK afloat for years. Being based on the price per barrel they, of course, rise every time the price of oil goes up. The UK treasury plays its cards very close to its chest iro oil revenues, licences, etc.

Granny23 · 20/04/2010 14:06

I do not know how to do links but try this site for up to date figures on oil and economy:

www.oilofscotland.org/scottish_north_sea_oil.html

GentleOtter · 20/04/2010 14:10

here is the link

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 20/04/2010 14:12

helyg - I don't know whether it requires devolution, after all if Scotland, Wales and NI were fully devolved then there would be no need for another 'English' parliament because there would just be Westminister. I am wary of the extra opportunity for cost and waste that another parliament in England would create.

I don't see why it isn't a fairly simple matter to simply exclude Scottish, Welsh and NI MPs from certain votes. The cynic in me says that it is because Labour have so many Scottish MPs....

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