Heres what a hung Parliament will do

[lincstash]

WE have been there before, with both Wilson and Heath.

No one can rule with a minority government. Its an abortion. Nothing radical, nothing decisive can get passed into law. Nothing gets decided, no real advancement can be made, everything is fudge and a compromise.

IF we get a hung parliament, Labour will retain power (as the incumbent governments right to), completely unable to do anything decisive about the economy, and eventually, after being defeated in multiple votes government will collapse with a year, and another election will ensue. You only need a major bill such as the Finance Bill to get destroyed by the opposition, and thats thats.

Meanwhile, the militant left wing unions (UNITE and GMB) will set about ejecting Labours Blairites and Brownites from the party , (as they have promised they can and will), and whilst labour struggles along in the minority in westminster, civil war will rip the party apart as the unions seize control and force the party back to socialist far left. Policy making and decision making will cease within the government

Meanwhile, the worlds financial markets will see the political chaos, pull the plug on our credit rating and that will be it, game set an match. The economy will collapse, and the World Bank will be forced to step in, as it did with the Wilson Government. We will then be a prime target for the EU vultures to take further control of us.

THis is not speculation, this is based on previous times in our history when we have been in this position. We are the 5th largest economy because we always have had majority governments. If you want examples of what happens to countries with minority rules, look at places like Italy, Argentina, Brazil. 3rd rate counties because they cant be ruled decisively.

My willy is definitely bigger than yours Linktash

As I said before family history is only ever of interest to the person it belongs too and then it's only an accident of birth. I was simply illustrating a point. You do know if you go back far enough were pretty much all related to royalty?

Of course some people can't go back more than 200 hundred years due to that respectable trade we built ourselves on, eh?

But I repeat again. What succor are you after on Mumsnet?

None, other than its a public discussion board and my opinion is as good as anyone elses. I also notice Mumsnet is heavily biassed to the left, so im here to add some weight on the other side of the see saw.

Im also here to troll the more obvious meat puppets..........

Your love for humanity is truly inspirational. I hope you have a very happy life

Hey lincstash! Didn't you used to post on HPC?

HPC - The Health Professions Council ?????

to answer your question... i would just like there to be somewhere, just somewhere on the internet where women could converse/debate/argue etc without men telling us where we're going wrong. we have to listen to you all the time, in our homes, in our jobs, everywhere, you're very attention-seeking without even realising it... and i'd just like there to be a place where i could only hear the female voices. that's all. i don't think it's a sexist viewpoint to wish to exclude men from one place on the internet, especially when you are piddling all over the rest of it.

the hairy penis club, surely?

Ah no, you see you cant have it both ways. You cant demand women be allowed everywhere men can go, and demand entrance to men clubs, and enter mens sports, and then demand a place only YOU can go that men are excluded. Its very hypocritical.

You need to make or your minds, do you want to be equal with men (in which case all rules and conditions apply equally to either sex, and enforcement of anti-sexism) or do you want exclusivity for sexes (womens groups and mens clubs, and no use of the word or concept 'sexism')

You cant have it both ways.

what a silly analysis. let's talk about this again when women have achieved something remotely approaching equality, mmm-kay?

HPC = House Price Crash. The usual place I go to read screeds of rants from people who believe the world will be consumed by a black hole if George Osborne doesn't get into No 11 in time for the summer.

There's a potentially interesting debate to be had about the possible consequences of a hung parliament; I liked the comment that "we have struggled to find our niche , really and ended up doing high technology on borrowed money."

Unfortunately you spoil it by making mis-spelled insults like a tedious sixth form debater ("But then, your a leftwinger, you wouldnt know what the truth looks like anyway.")

Lose the persecution complex, and get some sleep, and an enlightening discussion might ensure...

Even the name of this board is sexist and covertly exclusionist- 'mumsnet'

It should be 'parents net' at least.

As for 'equality', you already blew it as a sex.

Even Germiane Greer, the All High Preistess of Feminism says its all gone wrong for women. What women wanted was equality with men (and why not), instead they have tried to replace men, and managed it, to a large extent.

For example, if you went to A&E at the local hospital 30 years ago any saturday night, it would be full of drunken young men still trying to fight each other. Now its full of drunken young women trying to ape them. The only way women could find to be equal was to emulate men, except they emulated all the worst aspects of men. Not a good move.

Women dont like the concept of sexism, except when they apply it against men, and they want equality, except when it disadvantages them. Thats why a lot of men have no sympathy with the concept. You havent managed equality yet because you still wont let go of the advantages to women of sexism. Very very naughty!!!

"By Kevlarhead Tue 20-Apr-10 00:09:53

Unfortunately you spoil it by making mis-spelled insults like a tedious sixth form debater ("But then, your a leftwinger, you wouldnt know what the truth looks like anyway.")"

See why is it that techonubs like you never ever know the difference between spelling and keyboarding? I can spell fine, I keyboard sloppy, so i make typos. Since this is a throw away no consequence internet chat, its doesnt make any difference, the typos arent worth pissing about with, it would take me twice as long to post if i went back and corrected all the typos, and there not worth correcting for this purpose. Its an inconsequential trivial chat with a bunch of strangers, not a CV for a £100k a year job. it doesnt need immaculate spelling, grammar and keyboarding.

You'll get on much better on the internet if you take your thumb out ur ass and understand the difference, 'cos pointing it out just makes you look like a noob which gives you zero net cred. You'll prolly not make so many peoples KLOS list that way.....

Have you checked my username?

As for the exclusionism, the only time I notice is when someone n00b comes in and starts ranting about it.

"You'll get on much better on the internet if you take your thumb out ur ass and understand the difference, 'cos pointing it out just makes you look like a noob which gives you zero net cred."

And my point (that insulting people is rude, and uncongenial to discussion) passes straight over his head.... whoosh.

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Oh shove off elsewhere lincstash - you are rude, condescending and very very right wing. There are plenty of Dads who post here and there is a Dadsnet topic if you take the bother to look around. However, you are not interested in looking around are you? More interested in insulting people for their views which is a shame as some of your stuff is interesting and thought out. Couching it in rudeness though is unlikely to win you (or the Party you represent) any fans.

I certainly WON'T be voting Tory on May 6th because people like you sum up my fears of a Tory Govt - rude, patronizing and couldn't give a stuff for anyone's views but your own.
And I wasn't taken in one bit by "call me Dave" on the Party Political Broadcast last night. All that jacket off and hey I'm just a normal bloke bollocks.

Heres to a hung parliament on May 7th which from what I can see will be nowhere near the tragedy (except for the Tories) you are predicting.

Lincstash is a breath of fresh air on MN, it's a shame he'll disappear after the election, I think MN needs more men, (and this is coming from someone who used to think there shouldn't be a single man on MN).....after a while you get a bit sick of talking to soppy leftie women, most of them resort to childish behaviour when faced with something they don't like or can't handle, (or start crying)........there are only about 5 posters who keep me interested in MN, 1 is deffo a man, I'm pretty sure another one is too....

Do you know, Dafty, I nearly posted something on this thread yesterdayabout you, saying that if you saw it you'd think he was spouting as much sh*t as the rest of us think...I'm really shocked that you appear to think his views and/or attitude have some validity.

There you go, then.
I'll just go off and, erm, cry.

Well, lincstash's posts look convincing at first glance, but once you apply your brain you can see they're complete crap.

As DP is proud of being a BNP activist, I don't think it should be any surprise that she is easily taken in by nicely phrased bullshit.

Flight;

All he is doing is talking politics.....what's wrong with that?...he is obv passionate about it.....your attitude is wrong....why do you think he is spouting shit..? he's just politically not your thing, so what..?.....there are no right or wrongs....just differing opinions....learn how to debate...!

The mindset here needs to change.

I have been thinking about why I was rude to him from the outset, and it's just sheer incredulity I think that someone can believe such nonsense.

It's not my usual habit to laugh in someone's face, it really isn't. But I know no other way to react to such immense bigotry. I don't like my reaction but feel so shocked that part of my brain thinks he must be joking, because surely nobody reasonable thinks that way.

And then the stupid, stupid stereotypes start flying out, 'you loony lefties' etc etc and incredulous generalisations about what or who we are and so on, which is just beyond ridiculous and just not worth responding to - which is why I buggered off last night. It was a waste of time even trying to talk to someone who is clearly so caught up in their tiny little belief system that nothing can breach the barricades.

I do wonder where a mindset like that comes from, how it is engendered, because it's so completely bizarre. But mainly it's just depressing and pointless to try and converse with.

Daftpunk, how can you think he is a 'breath of fresh air'? He is talking nonsense. I thought you had a rational brain but perhaps you're just easily impressed by provocation.?

Flight....You have just said you laughed in his face because you know of no other way to react to such immense bigotry......??

If you know of no other way to react, then perhaps you shouldn't be trying to enter into a conversation that is clearly beyond you..

And what bigotry is that exactly...?

The mere fact that he isn't a Labour supporter...?

Yes, you see, DP, this is the problem. You have a very odd concept of what a debate is. And also of what facts are.

And yes, there are rights and wrongs. For example, LS has said 'Unite are going to do X, Y and Z'. Policywonk has pointed out that's just a motion going before their conference, so it's not actually a 'fact'. So it's wrong. Do you see?

You've had pointed out to you, god knows how many times on how many threads, that biological and psychological research shows that being gay is a combination of genetics and upbringing, and not something poeple have a choice about. This is a fact. It is right.
And then you say, 'well, i still think they're just doing it to piss me off, so it's Ok to persecute them.' Now that is an opinion. It's also wrong. Do you see?

And I can sit here and tell you that illegal immigrants are not entitled to benefits, council houses, or anything except deportation - and that is a fact. But you will still believe that they are welcomed out of the back of lorries with champagne and caviar. And that is wrong.

Do you see the difference?

By daftpunk Tue 20-Apr-10 10:21:36
Flight....You have just said you laughed in his face because you know of no other way to react to such immense bigotry......??

If you know of no other way to react, then perhaps you shouldn't be trying to enter into a conversation that is clearly beyond you..

And what bigotry is that exactly...?

The mere fact that he isn't a Labour supporter...?

Well Dafty, where do I start. Yes, I probably should have kept out of it, but tbh I wanted to do something to register that I thought what he was writing was wrong, even without going to enormous lengths to explain why to someone who almost certainly wouldn't listen.
it's beyond me from a poiint of view of tiredness and preocupation with other issues, not from a lack of intelligence or an inability to engage with the topic at hand - I just haven;'t the strength or desire to take on someone who is such a hard nut to crack. I think that's allowed.
There you go assuming I support labour...just like I assumed he supported the BNP - but then, you have less evidence of my political beliefs. I was commenting on the fact he was speaking as though he was reading out their manifesto.
I have already said I'll be voting Liberal.

Fliight - he's always sounded more UKIP than BNP to me, sort of ultra-right-wing anti-Europe barking, rather than racist barking.

I know Fliight. I thought about this for ages last night.

I sort of decided in the end the problem was the opposite of what DP says. The arguments Lincs put on here were very emotional.

The language was all about fear, collapse of a country, disrespected history and the secret world of the masons.

It's an incredibly emotional argument. And that is VERY difficult to debate with. I think much more that way, than the other. This wasn't reasoned intellectual discourse. It was moving and fermenting with paranoia and fear. I think that's why he insulted everyone so quickly and so readily, threw all the punches and started spouting about women and was so rude to secondcoming.

It's the opposite of what you think DP. His - and I think Claig's too actually - viewpoints appear to be calm and reasoned, but they're not. They seethe with fear and fury, it's volatile and highly charged. That's why his language was too.