"National Security can't come at the cost of Social Security" - WTAF?

[Binnyforthewin]

Surely our PM releases that without National Security there is no Social Security? One is entirely dependent on the other.

I'm not going to defend this government's spending choices, but this post is just made up stuff.

Youre stating the obvious. But if a government is so paralysed by its PLP that it is unable to take the necessary decisions to keep all of us safe then the country will be ruined. By Labour's inability to make decisions in the national interest rather than for ideological reasons. I don't know what happens then if we are attacked. And Labour bleat " but the housing allowance..!!".

Some of AB's closest associates, Haigh and Midgley, were working on the PLP for over a year to garner support for AB. That is why they have been rewarded with the key positions they have. They are not going to upset the PLP this early.

Why? I think its been a problem for years for politicians of our Gen X generation. If youre brought up in the 90s the world was a very different place. End of the Cold War. Things were hopeful. The USSR was defeated. We could travel nearly everywhere as we weren't enemies any more. No need to worry about defence.

I think it explains the immigration issue too. Because people were relaxed in the 90s overall (obviously not perfect). But we weren't taught that people were defined mainly by the colour of their skin. We were taught it was a person's character that was important. If you're Gen X the 90s taught you to relax about it and not worry about immigration. And we should be tolerant of everything. Live and let live. Obviously the trouble is we had a massive influx of people that haven't assimilated and the country has now changed. But the Gen X attitudes in government haven't caught up to reality.

Just my opinion.

They are responsible for the economy being in its current state.

Labour need to stop blaming everyone else. It didn’t work for Starmer either.

It’s the truth. Over a decade of austerity & handouts to rich chums for fake contracts followed by Brexit and Truss’ unfunded mini budget. All on the Tories.

You cannot reverse that much long term damage in 10 years!

The Tory architects of Brexit even bragged that the economic damage of Brexit would last 50 years before we saw their famous uplands and prosperity.

We have over two years of Labour fucking it all up now. They need to take some accountability for the choices of Reeves to kill employment. Many of us have been saying for a while that Reeves bet the house on future growth and did everything in her power then to stop the growth. Now we are paying for it in borrowing costs that make would Truss appear like a relative economic expert.

Starmer has already tried this line for two years. It didn’t work.

Two years is the blink of an eye.
Reeves didn’t kill growth, she stopped the haemorrhage.
The borrowing costs are on the debt that the Tories put us in with the furloughs during lockdown that kept middle class families sitting at home on £2,500/mo per worker. Because UC was not enough for them. While most key workers still had to go to work full time and live on less.

Why is the economy getting worse under Labour?

The NI policy has been terrible for jobs, especially for young people.

Not suprised it didn’t work even though it is the truth. People generally don’t understand economics and think it’s like flipping a switch to undo damage. So they will be turkeys voting for Christmas if they vote Tory or Reform.

Yes j would totally agree. It was a different world. I have no recollection of the word ‘community’ being used unless a local community. Nowadays we are a nation of parallel lives. This community, that community who superficially are integrated but not really. There were more jobs, people expected to get good salaries if they went to uni, there was a large nightlife, people socialised more. I realised recently that the people who were late teens/early 20s between 1996 and 2001 were the last generation to have it really really good. I wasn’t a massive fan of Tony Blair but when was the last time people were that pumped about the future and what the government would do?

It’s Labour who stumbled on economics. If you put a jobs tax in place it’ll hammer jobs.

No it hasn’t. NI is a scapegoat.
The jobs, especially for the young, were being shed anyway due to Brexit and AI.

No 100% disagree on that. I work for a number of small businesses and the Ni increase has been instrumental in the number of redundancies we have made. Reduce it and we’ll hire again. It is cripplingly high for small businesses. This alongside the minimum wage means we used to hire a lot of young people for them to gain experience but we don’t anymore. Not worth it.

This isn’t right, Labour are missing the impact because of the lack of insight.

Rubbish. The ENI rise, the rise in the minimum wage and the day one workers rights has acted as a perfect storm to scupper young people's jobs. Cause and effect and you can see it in the employment figures. A fairly obvious result of Labour's policies to anyone with half a brain living in the real world.

NI is not a jobs tax. It is a fair contribution for employers towards the costs of social security. A 1.2% increase in NI doesn’t affect the number of jobs. Would a 1.2% increase in the cost of food affect your weekly shop? Not a chance. Businesses just want to keep those record profits going to shareholders and keep labour costs artificially suppressed. Any NI they don’t pay goes to profit and the taxpayer ends up funding the shortfalls in social security.

This is quite a funny post and clearly from someone who has not employed more than 4 people.

Ok this is the lack of insight re SMEs and jobs.

I agree with him.

It's just the standard blame everyone else. If Reeves was doing an objectively good job she would still be there. Even the PLP came round to the idea that Starmer and her were a disaster. In the end they couldn't get them out the door fast enough.

Totally mixed up. Improving workers rights doesn’t scupper jobs.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/395008111_Youth_Unemployment_in_Post-Brexit_UK_Evidence_Trends_and_Policy_Implications