What I would like to ask Reform supporters what are the specific Reform policies they support?

[CurlewKate]

Just that really. I am a Labour voter, and I know what Labour policies I support. I think I know what Conservative and Lib Dem policies their supporters like. I don't know about Reform.

They love the uk. Id say greens are the party of hate.

Except this is absolute pie in the sky, because what would happen in reality is Amazon would go moaning to the UK government, which already subsidises pittance salaries with UC top-ups, thereby enabling companies syphoning billions out of the UK economy in profit to perpetuate a cycle of poverty and wage slavery, complaining that as overheads in the UK are increasing they are having reservations about continuing to invest in the UK, and the UK government, being totally and utterly beholden to business over the citizenry, would further pander to Amazon by eroding employee rights.

The idea that increasing overheads would just be meekly accepted by big business, and that money would eventually end up in the pockets of workers, is so absolutely ridiculous that you can only laugh. There is plenty of precedent for this with the likes of "work for benefits" schemes that have since been outlawed, and in every single instance its the government that panders to business by making up any perceived shortfall, leaving the citizen working for an absolute pittance.

Now on manufacturing I would totally agree with you. An employer could threaten to move their business overseas to say China if the Government didn't provide subsidies (cheaper power, lower workers rights,UC top ups etc).

But for a service sector this doesn't work- Amazon cannot outsource their UK delivery service to China nor can Care Homes.

Yes the Government could be forced into paying worker subsidies but more likely is that Amazon would just put up their prices for delivery.

What are these mythical policies you speak off.....

We are talking about a Reform UK government here, so no doubt post-ECHR, in which case your 9.12million economically inactive will simply be told "go deliver for Amazon for 40 hours per week or your benefits stop".

If you don't believe that Reform is sufficiently mercenary to do precisely this, I'll just point out that it's exactly what happened under previous Tory and Labour governments until the EU put a stop to it. This time there is no EU, and if Reform have their way, no ECHR either, and the benefits in question will no doubt have already been slashed to penury levels beforehand anyway. They have been quite unambiguous about the fact they have no issues with a "work or starve" ethos.

Hmm, I don’t agree they love the UK. They love anyone who can make them wealthier. Or more powerful. I don’t think they give a shit about vast swathes of the population. I think they view a lot of the electorate as gullible and easily manipulated and fair play to them, it’s working.

However we can agree on the Green Party. I think they’re ideologically captured and dangerous.

As is often said on here, the Greens and Reform are two cheeks of the same arse. Both would be a disaster, and both need keeping far away from power.

I am a right wing Tory but I support these policies:

Stop the boats by any means including arrest and detention in harsh conditions
Mass deportation of illegals
Stop overseas aid including Ukraine
Support British culture and values and get rid of this bloody woke garbage
Drop the net zero nonsense
Make work pay - stop in work benefits except to support the disabled
Priority for British born in jobs and social housing

Well......

I clearly remember people talking about those who came from Eastern European countries, usually illegal, doing building work, gardening and the like, taking 'our' jobs, paid in cash, not paying tax, living in HMOs.......

Then we had Brexit.

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None of them can answer why they personally want a US-style insurance-based healthcare system instead of the NHS. It doesn't seem to dawn on them that they would never be able to afford it. They only parrot what Nigel "man of the people" tells them what to think.

Oh lord. Literal turkeys voting for Christmas. I'm sorry for you.

And when do you open the concentration camps? My goodness you must have a bitter and twisted heart.

Exactly the same. I think that a Reform government would be the end of the union. An England that elects a Reform government is a nation I know longer wish to be in union with. I hate the idea of independence, but I hate fascists more. So many people I know think similarly.

The reality is that many of them cannot work, but many of them also don't want to work. I know people in both categories. There are people who've been dealt terrible cards - life changing strokes, degenerative diseases, cancer etc. But there are also huge numbers who don't want to work - I don't know how we deal with the latter group, but even if Amazon paid £30 per hour they probably still wouldn't take the job.

Immigration, immigration and immigration- although local councils are not responsible for this and can’t change it.

One of the councillors elected yesterday in my city - thought those who built the Olympiastadion were real visionaries and asked for a sun symbol on a flag - mind as Tice says we are all human so that’s ok then! And thank god it wasn’t my ward.

I’m never quite sure if some voters understand WWII - and if they get confused with anti semitism and Islamophobia- mind I think this councillor hates everyone not white Brit for the last billion years, so equality in that.

The other point on immigration- Labour is doing what these voters say they want already - net migration down, bringing in ILR changes, tightening visas. Personally, this is not what I want, but they’re actively doing what is said all the people want so what exactly would Reform benefit in this area.

It’s repulsive talking of camps and mass deportations- obviously folk like it though - I think we need more honesty from any government on what immigration is - ie be clear on different categories, explain our responsibilities re refugees, explain why we need it economically etc - then set out a plan - to include integration too! I doubt that will happen. What I know won’t happen is Farage making the changes that folk say they’re voting for so there’s that too.

Scrapping the ECHR might be a vote winner but it will be a disaster for everyone’s rights, our international relations and probably the Good Friday Agreement- about time if we are so nationalistic that we recalled NI is part of Great Britain.

I look at moving to Scotland now and again as I’m not sure I could bear to live under Reform - and there’s no further I could go. Then again I think I’d also feel obliged to keep my boots on the ground objecting - to so many things ha - including the NHS where I think I may find those against my side on current marches suddenly join in lol.

I do notice that Reform voters are very much ‘Ingerland’ tbh and seem to have no knowledge there’s a further 3 nations of Great Britain even - it’s embarrassing to own to living here tbh at times.

I mean even Farage ignores the potential impact on NI (and all the U.K. therefore) of withdrawal from the ECHR - as they did in Brexit - it shows a sad lack of knowledge of our history most bang on about - and its abhorrent of course!

Are you wearing everything in your wardrobe? Is every bedroom in your house permanently occupied? Shall the government commandeer these things?Perhaps not because you worked for them, you paid for them and you own them exactly the same way that farmers worked for, paid for and own their land.
You may be astounded to know that grass is a crop not an empty field, where do you think that hay comes from?

I don't think Farage loves the UK. He does nothing but disparage the UK. Self fulfilling prophecy and all that. Between his disparagement of the UK and his costing up to Trump are 2 of many reasons I don't think Farage is a suitable candidate for political power.

Still living with your Parents @alexandrasm is nothing to feel ashamed about and no need to ever fib about it !

People can't work out that Reform policies eg 'immigration' are not sorted at council level do you think they will make the link.

Agreed. Plus I do think any failures will be blamed on the government hating on Reform and new sunlit upland promises that even Reform councils will improve alongside potential Reform gov’t. They’re slippery!

My daughters already live in a Reform run council - dire - with adult Ed cut, SEN provision cut, care homes being reviewed for closure and wow the pothole fixes were incredibly mismanaged - they’re still paying an increase in council tax though!

Still tbf a lot of councils aren’t that great - just Reform seem worse - then they have to get rid of the worst of the new councillors for many reasons - then some seem to find Reform not racist enough some of them and go independent/Restore too.

None of this seems to phase the Reform voters though so I doubt council (mis) management will lose votes at a GE. Maybe Wales/Scotland mismanagement would have made some impact, but they didn’t get to win those.

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I voted reform. It’s time for a sea change, but I’m in Scotland and some people can’t see beyond the SNP. Pleased reform managed to get (the last time I looked) 15 seats. The reason I voted? I’m so tired of seeing news reports of sexual assaults and attacks being carried out by foreign born nationals. I’m ashamed of the powers that be that they continue to perpetuate this. One attack by a foreign born national is one attack too many. But it’s not just one is it?

It’s probably not being used because the farmer will be receiving a payment to either regenerate the soil by planting cover crops, or to not use them in some way. There’s still a value to the land. Ridiculously.

please do enlighten us - how, exactly, do they love the UK, and what about the greens makes them “the party of hate”? This is the problem - baseless hyperbole, without evidence to support.

The Greens hate everyone who disagrees with them. You are a monster if you say a man can’t be a woman.

They also have a big problem with antisemitism.