Do the Greens actually have a clue? Policy announcements

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How many jobs do these idiots want to lose? Do they even know that Whitbread laid off 3,800 hospitality workers this week?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjp338ydlgo

No clue and no plan and no idea’s beyond anything that will give them votes to gain power.

No politicians have been able to view power as something to exercise on behalf of or for the wellbeing of the country for over 20 years now, and there weren’t that many before then.

It’s sad watching the self-destruction of a party whose leaders once wrote “Green Alternatives to Globalisation”. Sign of our times. Britain is totally hopelessly corrupt.

You think the government are not propping up the low paid with UC?

15 quid an hour is not exactly a fortune. Or do you think hospitality workers are not worth a decent wage?

I don’t disagree with the principle that anyone working a full days work should be able to afford a full days living in this country, quite the opposite. But minimum wage is not really the problem there is it? The vast inflation in housing and energy costs is, especially the inflation on housing. Thats something like 1000% over the last 30 years.

The continual increase in minimum wage while wages just above it are absorbed has meant that there is hardly any point in trying to improve your skills and work hard any more, especially not in profession s where women dominate and are therefore lower valued and paid anyway. £15 an hour minimum wage will make anyone question, if they haven’t already, why they should pay a fortune and then work on placements in order to qualify as a teacher or nurse.

The hospitality sector has been decimated in the last two years - it really doesn't need something even worse

Do you agree with this
'Reform UK has also pledged to scrap the Employment Rights Act, while leader Nigel Farage has suggested the minimum wage is too high for younger workers'

All while he accepts 5 million quid for 'personal security'

You think people on minimum wage don't work hard?

Do you think a cleaner needs to work as hard as a nurse or teacher? Do you not think that the teacher or doctor would have had to work much much harder for a very much longer time? Do you think education, intelligence, knowledge or skills should be rewarded? If not why not? Not to mention the difficulty and responsibility of the job. Anyone can clean. I do that in addition to my job.

My mother could clean with no qualifications and in fact no ability to read or add up either. Shr could have learned: she chose not to. I did not work and learn all the way through my life to be turned into a slave to people like her.

From the Greens’ perspective, that’s a rational policy. It will directly & strongly appeal to their target market voters ; young people who don’t own property. How independent hospitality businesses could afford it isn’t their problem. It will be their equivalent of the Tories’ pension triple lock.

I think people on minimum wage who keep the wheels of this country turning. Who look after your kids while you do your high flying job, who clean your toilets,who care for your elderly parents, who serve you your fancy Pret sandwich and glass of Pinot etc deserve a decent wage.

High flying job cleaning up shit in hospitals? And dealing with the abuse so many now see fit to mete out to NHS workers because they are not valued? Or just from the increasing numbers of dementia patients?

If there is no value or reward in more difficult jobs then people will not do them. End of. They will not pay to end up in jobs that are more difficult. Already the numbers of people applying to do nursing is dropping, already there is low retention of teachers.

Easier jobs on the same wage are being flooded with applications.

I think caring for dementia patients in care homes on the current minimum wage are very difficult jobs.

In a hospital, nurses clean up far more shit than cleaners do, straight from the bum. Some doctors may have more connections with that end than cleaners too. You might want to think about exactly what ‘high flying’ means.

Yes it’s not different then promising to keep the triple lock

wages are crap in this country but raising minimum wage won’t solve much. As @WaryCrow said the big issue is housing

And in care homes there are no nurses cleaning up shit. There are people, mostly women, doing it for minimum wage.

And some of that is because of the telescoping effect of minimum wage already having an impact. There used to be far more of a hierarchy with jobs requiring any education or skills of dealing with the public recognised as such. That has already all gone. All that matters now is power and this undefined ‘status’. Footballers get paid more than doctors, and teachers. The case of teaching assistants who take whole classes demonstrated very clearly the importance of working hard and gaining skills and being qualified has in comparison to having a dick or buying wholesale into the beauty shite if you’re female.

I suppose fuelling unemployment to ridiculous levels, and heaving tax on the remaining workers to keep afloat the even bigger benefits bill, might at least deter some of the new arrivals encouraged by the open borders policy. At least we can all legally get as high as a fucking kite and pretend none of it is happening - I'm sure that won't have any unintended consequences.

Is it the boat people who are to blame?

Open borders will afford the opportunity for anyone to come here however they want. Pretty sure most will opt for a £50 Ryan Air flight over a dingy.

@Plummagic , the way it works, when it actually works is that certain jobs are paid more (or less) than others because of various reasons. You work your way up to higher wages. This system supports a functional economy. If you try and insist that everyone has a minimum value it disrupts the natural flow of the system and everything turns to 💩. Proven beyond doubt.
An effectively functioning economy by the way supports the treasury and brings in a healthy tax take which allows for support for those in GENUINE need.
I don’t know why I’m wasting my online breath really especially on such a left leaning platform.

And no, no migrants will be responsible for ridiculous Green policies or for the ridiculous voters who would vote for it.

You think MN is a left leaning platform? That ship sailed a long time ago.

Don’t people understand that at the moment, those in the lowest incomes earn so little they need welfare top ups? Why should businesses take in profit whilst tax payers pay? Importantly: what do people do with extra money they earn - they consume. Exactly what the country needs. Other countries have raised minimum incomes and it led to economic growth. Here, with many not being able to afford more than the basic minimum, shops go bust. Not rocket science but so poorly understood. To me, the Green Party have common sense…

Those who find themselves ridiculous sit down next to me.

All the young people round here (who haven't been able to get the part-time/holiday jobs their parents easily got) know that the government changes made it much harder for them, and the businesses are open with them about why they don't employ them. AI is another issue, and they know about that too.
Some young people might not understand, but most of them do, and would rather have a low wage than no wage (and they are too young to get benefits themselves).