Olly Robbins has just nuked the premiership of Sir Keir Starmer

[ProudAmberTurtle]

What are the implications of Olly Robbins’s testimony for Starmer?

There was so much in his testimony that was damaging but surely the worst was that:

• He was instructed by No. 10 to find an ambassador's job for Starmer's then director of communications, Matthew Doyle
• He was told not to tell the foreign secretary about this
• Robbins considered leaving his role because this request was so unusual and inappropriate
• Doyle was then suspended from the Labour Party due to his links with a convicted paedophile (not Epstein).

And on Mandelson, he said there was "constant pressure" for him to fast-track the appointment, there was no interest in the vetting from the PM, concerns about the vetting were dismissed by No. 10 and Mandelson had already been given IT access that should only have been granted after the vetting process.

What can Starmer do now? Say Robbins was lying?

Labour won’t look at themselves, it’s media, tories or posters on mn.

They’re not doing well and people will vote accordingly.

How will you vote?

Yes, in some shape or form. But most people don’t believe they should lose their job or business in order to fund the excessive taxation to pay for them.

I wonder what “ Mandy “ has on KS to risk everything on him
must be something big

I did have to laugh at Diane Abott - that was comedy gold
“ Peter Mandelson has a history “
a history that everyone knows about apart from KS it seems

That will go down in history

I bet she’s been waiting for ages to get one over on slimy KS

She was hilarious. Never thought I'd ever say that.

Funny. 1930s....nearly 100 years ago.

And yet the parallels between Oswald Mosley and Nigel Farage are clear to anyone who wishes to see them - and the Daily Mail and its ilk continue to be the gutter press they’ve always been.

But I wasn't commenting on whether Keni Badenoch was doing well or not. I was replying to a pp that said that Keir Starmer was more popular than all the other party leaders. Im just pointing out thats not true. Thats all.

You can waste your time commenting on the lack of popularity of the others if you like (although thats irrelevant to my post). But that doesnt change the fact that Keir Starmer is not more popular than all the other party leaders. In fact he is the least popular of all the party leaders.

She was great. Good on her. She totally held the house and delivered a killer line.

Despite the Government failing on every metric
economy, unemployment, tax burden, crime, social unrest, business confidence, youth unemployment, cost of living.

introducing highly disproportionate taxes for ideological reasons
For example?
Education tax, farmer tax, employer tax, landlord tax
lunging from crisis to crisis and constantly getting caught lieing
Did you see the last lot?
Yes over 14 years, Labour crammed more into 2. Lieing Chancellor CV and not following law on renting out her house, 13 minsters resigned or sacked including deputy prime minister, 10 advisors sacked and almost half of the top civil service. Mandleson and PM being ‘economical’ with the truth.

She really really was
I like her always have she’s resilient and straight forward most of the time and is often underrated

if she ever leaves the government she could get a job as a stand up comedian 😂

Wishful thinking!

What are the clear parallels exactly? Maybe two

Diane Abbott is a very experienced and good politician. Good to see some appreciation going her way

Starmer is a decent man but a naive politician. But he cares about this country.

Terribly anti semitic. Oh no actually thats the Greens. And Labour.

Authoritarian and against freedom of speech and equality before the law? Oh no actually that's Labour.

It’s not decent to sack someone who followed process and was good at their job due to their own dangerous misunderstanding. Far from it.

Especially since the scandal originated with Starmer’s appointment.

Robbins is experienced, maybe he shouldn't have been sacked but he didn't exactly cover himself in glory.

Very naive not to back himself in writing

Starmer should not have appointed Mandelson but do not pretend that many had an issue with the appointment. A few spoke out but many celebrated.

He did exactly as expected and did it well. Starmer really is not decent for promoting these types of career slurs repeated online.

I’m sure Sir Philip will be useful at the committee when he confirms the approach was correct and Starmer is dangerously wrong, and OR will go for constructive dismissal.

Robbins did indeed as expected and also confirmed that Starmer did not lie. The process is the issue here.

Who is Sir Phillip?

Are you really sure or is it what you hope will happen?

You can’t fire someone for following a process and the guidance.

Sir Philip is pre OR and speaking to the committee. All the guidance is on UKSV is public, there’s no obligation to disclose it, in fact the opposite is the case for security. If you listened to the committee you would have heard the relevant guidance.

Robbins can’t go for constructive dismissal. He was sacked.

there’s no obligation to disclose it, in fact the opposite is the case for security

Which is why Robbins didn't disclose to Starmer that Mandelson had failed UKSV? And that is why Starmer did not lie to the House, because what he said was true? OR essentially confirmed it.

So yes, maybe OR shouldn't have been sacked as he was following process.

The issue is Starmer can’t see he has it wrong, sacked someone he shouldn’t have and has undermined the relationship with the CS.

All OR colleagues will be thinking wtf, he did as per guidance. If any Labour MPs have any decency they’ll not just say ok to all that and remove him.

So you agree that Starmer didn't lie to the House? Isn't that the main issue?

I think Starmer did sack OR too quickly, but that isn't something a PM should stand down for.

Are you forgetting the accusations of anti-semitism and racism from his former classmates? I would certainly class comments such as ‘Hitler was right!’ and ‘Gas them!’ and the singing of anti-Semitic songs as being anti-Semitic. Or does that not count?