Concerns about US military escalation and potential UK fuel and food shortages

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It looks like the Americans are finding out that if you start enough wars you'll eventually start one that doesn't go your way.

Spending 10 billion US dollars per day and running out of missiles, it's fast becoming apparent that Trump did not really have a plan.

Trump talks of negotiations but it's highly likely that this isn't the case and this is a tactic to give the military the time to prepare for a ground assault.

Trump calls this a special military operation and is careful not to use the word war. War requires congressional oversight.

It's highly likely this conflict is going to get a lot worse which raises the prospect worsening produce and fuel supplies. I believe we are two weeks away from shortages.

Iranian drones follow a pre determined flight path programmed at launch....there is no control once it's in the air.

It makes them impossible to hack and only hope is to shoot them down with very expensive patriots and modern anti air craft systems.

The Americans are running out of money

Ukraine has developed a multi layered approach to dealing with drones. Which is why Saudi Arabia and Qatar have bought their expertise in. More winning for US tech firms.

@Legoandloldolls What make of power bank/solar panel do you have to run your freezer? My chest freezer arrives this week and I really nee to look into off grid power to run it in the event of blackouts/outages.😮

I have mCHP system running from biomass. It generates it's own electricity through a Stirling Engine.

'Fertiliser costs mean I'm better off not planting,' says farmer - BBC News https://share.google/PZF9YN3mdDfUAMtkR

This is it people the start of what will become our new norm.

Airlines are ramping up fares and cancelling flights due to the rising cost of jet fuel. Farmers unable to buy fertilizer and soon that will mean people unable to afford basic food stuffs. And remember that crops not planted now will echo in food shortages all the way to Autumn 2027. Unlikely but a western famine is now possible because the world is now scrambling to buy up food and fuel.

We will soon see a wave of bankruptcies as companies struggle with rising costs.

I honestly don't think anyone is prepared for what's coming.

The war mongers who cheered on this conflict need to be ashamed.

And this morning Trump says to us “go get your own oil”, despite the fact he caused the conflict. What an idiot. He has less diplomacy than a gnat.

Trump couldn’t give a shit about Europe. We have failed to look after ourselves and it shows.

Even more of an idiot as he appears not to know where we import oil and gas from.

USA is top (oil and gas). I think oil alone is Norway. The Gulf is well down the list. So we can keep getting our own oil no problem.

UK oil imports by country 2024| Statista

What makes you say that, we resolved all European conflicts ourselves.

If the yanks start a war, it's there job to finish it not ours.

Trump is done....

He's definitely done and he's clearly not fit for office, but unless and until he's carted out of the White House in a straightjacket (as he should be), his chaos will continue far beyond the US and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.

Quote "What makes you say that, we resolved all European conflicts ourselves."

I would qualify that with since NATO was formed. And with Ukraine, Europe does have its hands tied because NATO exists.

I think Trump and Rubio etc are being very revisionist re US bases in Europe and indeed worldwide. The reasoning at the time they were set up was partly to keep nations in check ( From memory so happy to be corrected). So the US bases in the likes of Germany, Italy and Greece etc was not just about deterring the Soviets, but also to stop the rise of fascism, and so on.

And over the decades this has suited the US. Because it gives them influence. And it gives them world wide projection of its military power.

It was never just about the US defending us, as Trump is now making out,

There are very few cases where the US has been involved in a war and fully left afterwards. I can only think of the PRC, Vietnam and now Afghanistan. And I say PRC because although the US fought on the side of the Nationalist government of the time in mainland China, they do not now have bases in mainland China. They do have a military presence in the ROC though, Taiwan.

And they don't do this thing of keeping a chunk of land for the benefit of what country the land is in. Nope, they do it for the benefit of the US.

Good to see someone who knows the score!

Because oil prices have gone up massively

This 1000% 15min cities, CBDC, Social credit system, lockdowns.
The NWO & the Great Reset. Just as those "conspiracy theorists " told us.

This conflict does feel like it has the potential to affect us in Europe in ways we are not used to. Might have to hop over to the preppers board.

Following with interest. Both for the preppers suggestions and political discussion!

Peak mumsnet.

Prepper lite here so usually keep just a few basics to hand. However now have solar powered chargers and a wind up radio,plus a camping stove and canisters. Also,keep cash handy.
Stocked up with logs and coal for fire pit.

I am finding it really odd that no-one is talking about this on mumsnet. This is the only thread I can find and it is not even updated since the news stories about contigency planning for food shortages. Is it because nobody wants to be seen as panicking as in the covid era? I'm curious what people are thinking will happen if the iran war drags on as I can't see how it is going to stop any time soon. I know the reports are worse case scenarios but still interesting, I think. Is no-one else interested?

There wasn't many people talking about these issues at the very beginning of when it was apparent there would be issues.

I think the airline fuel shortage will trigger people soon enough. That's when you will start seeing threads - the shortage is due to hit right before Half Term... I'm supposed to be seeing a friend in Italy just before and I'm quietly wondering if it will happen - and quietly working out a plan b if I manage to get there and get stranded.

Tbh I think to a certain extent people are also tired of all these crisis one after another too.

I think there's a certain belief right now (reflected in the oil price yo-yoing that it will all resolve itself because Trump and Iran are playing a game of chicken to an extent - neither can afford for things to continue but neither wants to be seen to be the one backing down. This may or may not come to pass and we could still end up in disaster.

As it stands the UK is going into contingency planning for a number of issues - but price rises are inevitable because of timing and that's because there WILL be a reduced availability of at least some things.

No one wants to be seen to be the toilet paper wanker again though.

That made me laugh far more than it should have.

There are at least four or five threads about stocking up

This is more what I'd expect but I hadn't come across any at all, which I struck me as odd as it was splashed everywhere on the newspaper. I did found one thread but thats because I went looking after you saying this and drilling down the topic categories. The search doesn't throw anything up apart from this thread several posts down and not seen anything in active. Just surprised me.

There are several threads about it, including two identically titled threads on different boards which I got muddled about.

I think there are a couple of threads on the Preppers board.

do you mind saying which boards (or which threads even)? Mumsnet's search is pants. I'm curious to hear everyone's views as no-one is talking about this in real life