Kudos to England!

[MsAmerica]

I’m sure that there must be a range of feeling over there apropos of the arrest of Andrew but, speaking as an American, I so admired the willingness to hold people accountable, even at the highest levels.

That was the leading story last night on the news program I watch. The second and third stories were two disgusting Trump scandals, about his so-called Board of Peace to prey on Gaza and his destruction of a wing of the White House. Unlike the U.K., the U.S.A. prefers not to think about accountability.

I'm not sure there's much of a range of feeling - everyone I've heard seems to support the arrest and hopes he is imprisoned soon.

I think we all struggle to understand why nobody is being held to account in the US other than Maxwell.

Thank you, that was nice to read.

We're hoping to congratulate you on your next choice of president because this one seems to have a few flaws 🤪 (though I live in hope that he will veto the Chagos surrender).

We don't like liars, and Andrew and Mandelson have both been caught out lying big time and to make it worse it was about a convicted sex offender. They were never going to get away with that on this side of the pond.

It’s worth noting that he has not so far ‘been held to account’ on the basis of any sexual crime, but is at early stages of investigation into alleged ‘misconduct in a public office’ as he appears to have passed confidential government information to Epstein. I suspect the latter will be easier to prove.

I'm pretty sure almost all Americans would say they don't like liars - yet Trump was clocked by an enterprising Washington Post reporter as providing 30,573 false statements in his first term alone. And that was only the public ones!

Yet millions kept right on voting for him.

Strangly political lies don't seem to count for much, do they? I guess while population have reached a stage where they just expect politicians to lie to them. We have a low tolerance for lying about being friends with a convicted sex offender, cheating in your personal finances, and a few other things.

On which note even high security prisoners have a low tolerance for killing little girls. I'm sure I'm not alone in not being unhappy that our notorious Ian Huntley had his head stoved in by a fellow prisoner this week.

I'm glad that he and Mandelson have been arrested, but I must say that I'm not feeling terribly proud of England. On the contrary, the whole history of Andrew's and Mandelson's wrongdoing is shaming, revealing a level of corruption that, in our complacency, we did not think that the UK was operating with. And they've only been arrested because public opinion and the drip drip of revelations cornered the authorities into it -- not because the authorities are knights in shining armour.

Also, they are only really held to account at the point at which they are in court and (if found guilty) sentenced.

Also also, how many other powerful people are still evading any sanctions for similar wrongdoing? Boris Johnson and cronies around him?

Also, and perhaps most of all, it is financial crimes that they are being investigated for, not the sexual exploitation of minors. I'm afraid the whole Epstein thing is becoming a political pantomime in which the women who suffered are treated as not much more than pawns.

I must admit that whilst it's pleasing to see AMW facing some sort of justice, one would think that he and Maxwell were Epstein's only friends! When is America going to deal with its own high profile associates of Epstein?

Well, you may not be proud of your country, but you're probably better off than being an American like me, totally, totally ashamed and enraged about your country.

EXACTLY!

We've just had a survey saying only 1 in 5 UK people support the attack on Iran, @MsAmerica , and I'm very against it.

Are there any surveys in the US, and how is the general feeling around you about it?

That's a good question, but I can't realistically answer it. Also I wish you had started a new separate thread for that.

Personally, I feel a combination of rage and shame - and I can't understand why every single country, plus every single international organization, starting with the U.N., hasn't condemned the bombing of Iran. To bomb another country in the absence of attack from that country, and in the absence of a declaration of war on that country, seem to me clearly a murderous criminal act.

Right now, polls show that a majority of Americans are against the attack on Iran. HOWEVER, lest I credit Americans overall with any semblance of morality, I have to say that it seems possible that what they really object to is the idea of higher prices for gasoline.

Countries aren't generally openly condemning the attacks on Iran out of fear of going too far against Trump. It's one thing not to join his game and another to say the game is wrong in the first place.

It raises my hopes to read that, thank you.

The Andrew situation is to ensure a continuous monarchy. The king has sacrificed him, finally to make sure he doesn’t bring down the monarchy. The press have given the vibe and Andrew is a popular royal.

so don’t be hoodwinked in thinking that if it could have been avoided it would have been.

USA is coming crashing down, but like every other empire in history